Chapter 41-2 Eye Of The Storm

[LiamKerrington]

I'm curious what crazy cliff hanger KC will leave us with this time... My money is on is Datu starting to change or not. He will be fixing the pump, he will make a funny sound or yell or something, all the crew yells his name and starts running towards him... and cut scene. Then we spend two weeks debating if he is turning or slipped and fell off the tower or something

The interesting part here is: When Tommy was infected, he very quickly turned aggressive. And to me it sounds similar with Randy ...
R2Da2, though, becomes more and more sorry about himself and the world he's gonna leave ... Maybe this already points us towards what some of us already think and believe to happen: R2Da2 the ressourceful may surive after all, 'cause the zombie-agent is harmless against the hydraulic oils pumping through R2Da2s veins ...

[Witch_Doctor]

I'm curious what crazy cliff hanger KC will leave us with this time... My money is on is Datu starting to change or not. He will be fixing the pump, he will make a funny sound or yell or something, all the crew yells his name and starts running towards him... and cut scene. Then we spend two weeks debating if he is turning or slipped and fell off the tower or something

The interesting part here is: When Tommy was infected, he very quickly turned aggressive. And to me it sounds similar with Randy ...
R2Da2, though, becomes more and more sorry about himself and the world he's gonna leave ... Maybe this already points us towards what some of us already think and believe to happen: R2Da2 the ressourceful may surive after all, 'cause the zombie-agent is harmless against the hydraulic oils pumping through R2Da2s veins ...

During the first season, the cliff hangers didn't seems as anguishing as of late. (Then again, it could be that I was able to listen to back-to-back episodes without pause.) However, there were plenty of episodes that had more resolved endings.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

I am afraid but R2Datu surviving seems too be to much of a Hollywood ending to me. It might sound harsh and inhuman. The same applies to Saul's and Tanya's fate.

[Grognaurd]

I do not know what will happen. I can see it either way. What we have in this universe is not typical. If we think that some sort of natural thing that belched from the Earth, we are befuddled by the large number of unburied dead that Saul and Victor found. So, lots and lots of people at ground zero did not seem to turn.

Typically we see a chain of infection distributed by bites. But, there does not appear to be five million biters running around LA.

Cindy turns and has two broken legs. She is not very mobile. Did something wound her, but not eat her? That is different from the dude in the garage. He gets munched, but does not reanimate. Did they bury the guy in the garage? The suicide gate guy? The other one they kill in the tower, but do not describe? If Cindy was not the only one buried, were the others also dug up?

Ink murders Paul. Paul does not reanimate. If Ink is compelled to grow his army, why does he kill rather than turn Paul? However, Ink then knocks nicely on the door instead of kicking it in and going after the other residents of the tower. Does he think he is a vampire and needs an invite into the apartment?

[Gooer]

I think that, unlike most zombies, like in The Walking Dead, where they just get up if possible after turning, no matter the state of the body, you still need to be somewhat alive to be able to turn in WA - having your throat chewed out, or being ripped apart, will mean you are no able to sustain the body, meaning the zombie will have no chance either. Remember, they still eat and sleep (maybe drink) like regular humans, so they need the body for them to be able to carry it out.

[Witch_Doctor]

I think most people and zombies eventually succumb to what ever wounds they have. They're not getting medical treatment for their injuries and open sores, and I'm sure there are other dangerous infections running rampant.

[shadrak]

I do not know what will happen. I can see it either way. What we have in this universe is not typical. If we think that some sort of natural thing that belched from the Earth, we are befuddled by the large number of unburied dead that Saul and Victor found. So, lots and lots of people at ground zero did not seem to turn.

Typically we see a chain of infection distributed by bites. But, there does not appear to be five million biters running around LA.

Cindy turns and has two broken legs. She is not very mobile. Did something wound her, but not eat her? That is different from the dude in the garage. He gets munched, but does not reanimate. Did they bury the guy in the garage? The suicide gate guy? The other one they kill in the tower, but do not describe? If Cindy was not the only one buried, were the others also dug up?

Ink murders Paul. Paul does not reanimate. If Ink is compelled to grow his army, why does he kill rather than turn Paul? However, Ink then knocks nicely on the door instead of kicking it in and going after the other residents of the tower. Does he think he is a vampire and needs an invite into the apartment?

Based on the clues in the episodes, we lean toward the following:
1. The "zombification" process occurs most normally using a human vector (zombified human), but likely can be acquired through other means (directly injected, airborne?).

2. Zombification requires a living host that remains living through the turning. Turning does not occur after dead like in TWD. I don't recall any "reanimation" in We're alive, I only seem to recall "turning" events. I could be missing some, though.

3. We know that bites (saliva?) introduce the pathogen into the body and cause turning. We assume that blood introduced into the body would do the same (open wounds, mucus membranes, etc), but we know that skin prevents infection.

4. Based on this, the "Zombification" pathogen in We're Alive seems to operate like most modern diseases...imagine a disease that causes a fast acting neurosyphilis and an extreme hunger. The original zombies of season one seem more similar to TWD Zombies, while the zombies post-season 1 are seem to be victims of a degenerative disease. It is possible that the disease also causes a mutation by modifying DNA at the cellular level.

5. We don't know whether the infection is viral, bacterial, or fungal, or if it is actually a disease. So far, the only indication of infection is heightened levels of Keratin 18 (how the good Dr. can make projections on speed of infection/transition based on information from 1 or 2 individuals).

6. Keratin 18 is a protein that is found almost exclusively in humans in simple epithelial cells, though, with genetic modifications, it has been taken up by complex epithelial cells. Heightened levels of Keratin 18 can also be an indication of cancer (related to tumors in the "Big Ones"--do the "normals" have tumors as well?)

7. Non-biological origin: The gas could be the origin of the disease and it could be a non-biological source that causes mental disfunction, but this is unlikely as it should not be contagious.

8. If the infection was engineered and was deliberately introduced in the population the gas may be something that was intended to weed out the non-infected. Perhaps the infection was a part of a weapons program either a botched superSoldier program or a biological warfare agent.

[Tielurrdee]

I think most people and zombies eventually succumb to what ever wounds they have. They're not getting medical treatment for their injuries and open sores, and I'm sure there are other dangerous infections running rampant.

I can dig this especially because the behometh was dead. I have another theory to add a thought really. What if the longer you are infected and turned the longer a bite from you takes to turn another person. I'm not going to push this theory but could this hold weight?????

Pretty sure Skittles ran from dunbar, in his crazed state of mind, and next finds Angel Riley and Datu. Also, when he says "there he goes" he is talked about Kalani falling in/out of consciousness, due to him being hit too hard by a zombie.

Also, not sure what Michael was talking about. His parents died during one of his tours, and he was an only child. Unless he means other relatives, i assume its a script error....

Ok some other post we're not right about stittles you all have some strange information on who you may think skittles is, this one was only partly correct. The incorrect part is that about skittles talking to kolani in the arena, that was a character named martin. As well the Michael thing about his parents was not a script error it was intentional. Michael has not always been upfront about his personal life early on because there are things and issues he just did not want to deal with or talk to people out he was pretty private about certain things. Kc has said something along thoes lines before. Anyways make sure you guys read are right about facts, I'm not getting on anyone about it hell I can be wrong at times too, but you don't want to confuse others on the boards.

[Gooer]

I can dig this especially because the behometh was dead. I have another theory to add a thought really. What if the longer you are infected and turned the longer a bite from you takes to turn another person. I'm not going to push this theory but could this hold weight?????
Ok some other post we're not right about stittles you all have some strange information on who you may think skittles is, this one was only partly correct. The incorrect part is that about skittles talking to kolani in the arena, that was a character named martin. As well the Michael thing about his parents was not a script error it was intentional. Michael has not always been upfront about his personal life early on because there are things and issues he just did not want to deal with or talk to people out he was pretty private about certain things. Kc has said something along thoes lines before. Anyways make sure you guys read are right about facts, I'm not getting on anyone about it hell I can be wrong at times too, but you don't want to confuse others on the boards.

I was referring to Martin when i said "There he goes", i just couldn't remember his name (probably should of written it a bit better). And they way Michael acted, it was as if his parents were alive when it started. If he didn't want to bring it up, he wouldn't of said anything, surely.

[LiamKerrington]

Based on the clues in the episodes, we lean toward the following:
3. We know that bites (saliva?) introduce the pathogen into the body and cause turning. We assume that blood introduced into the body would do the same (open wounds, mucus membranes, etc), but we know that skin prevents infection.

Amendment:
Litle Ones scratching their victims may start the zombification process as well. But here we have no intel on what exactly happens. I remember that Little Ones were described as having scratch-marks on their arms, but I am not certain (anymore). So I could depict something along that line: Little Ones scratch themselves in order to get blood or lymph-fluids under their fingernails; and when they scratch their victims, these get infected as well. But considering the quick spreading of Little Ones in Boulder I am not certain about this. So an alternative would be that Little Ones might establish kind of open woundings or even glands at their fingertips which in combination with scratchings from the fingernails would transfer the zombie-agent into the victim's body. Here some riddles need to be solved, but we lack the information to work with it.

Best wishes!
Liam