Wnd #57

[clem131]

Scbubba: the no-brainer for me is this: if Saul and Vic leave, it will be with Lizzie and Tanya: Saul just went through hell to save Lizzie; Victor went along to help his friend (as opposed to CJ who doesn't care about anyone else and was in only for the revenge); Lizzie was not letting go of Saul's arm after reuniting with him, even with CJ dying and Burt half dead; and Tanya, well, is Saul's mother and about to become a grandma, I doubt she would even consider her duty to stay to help the Colons out. The idea of them splitting doesn't make sense at all. If Saul goes, Lizzie and Tanya are automatically out. I see your points, but I just think the ties between these characters are too strong to break, and any reason for them to split sounds like a pretext to me.

[scbubba]

Scbubba: the no-brainer for me is this: if Saul and Vic leave, it will be with Lizzie and Tanya: Saul just went through hell to save Lizzie; Victor went along to help his friend (as opposed to CJ who doesn't care about anyone else and was in only for the revenge); Lizzie was not letting go of Saul's arm after reuniting with him, even with CJ dying and Burt half dead; and Tanya, well, is Saul's mother and about to become a grandma, I doubt she would even consider her duty to stay to help the Colons out. The idea of them splitting doesn't make sense at all. If Saul goes, Lizzie and Tanya are automatically out. I see your points, but I just think the ties between these characters are too strong to break, and any reason for them to split sounds like a pretext to me.

Yeah, I agree on Lizzie's feelings. I was called out for not including her over in the 37-3 Episode thread too. My intent was to put her with Saul going to Dunbar.

That's what puts the pressure on Tanya. In the end, I think Lizzie and Tanya will both go with Saul. It will not be an ideal situation because the Colony at least has an infirmary and some medical supplies. But we've seen this crew work with little and less and make things happen....

So, add Lizzie to the Dunbar list and keep Tanya in the not sure but with a 75%+ probability of Dunbar...

All that being said, the discussions and emotions over the next couple of days (in WA world time, not real time) will be very interesting as we see how people come to their conclusions about which side they are on. The key being whether it is an "amicable" split between the crews where they plan to at least operate together or if it is a "cut all ties" kind of split.

And then the wildcard of zombie attack might change a lot of minds.....

[EpiEpee]

Perhaps that is why Tanya was wanting to look up staff infection. CJ was having a little bit of a cough.

I got the impression she was looking for info on Staph infections for another patient, but it's possible. S. aureus can cause a respiratory infection (pneumonia), but I suspect if she was looking for info on Staph, it was much more likely to be due to a skin or wound infection on a patient-it's a fairly major player in sepsis and other nasty disease processes that can kill people in a healthcare setting.

[SmokeyZombified]

Im just going to copy and paste my post in the episode discussion thread

That's the one thing about Saul and Victor leaving and pretending like it's their own choice to protect CJ. It just wont make sense, especially to those closest to them. Why would Saul randomly decide to leave right before his first child is born? It's all going to come out and quickly, that's why CJ's butthurt attitude is going to doom the colony. Michael isn't the type to bend over and take anything. He'll give CJ and the Colony a big old "Fuck You". Its not like the Colonists even like him and they've made it clear they blame Michael for everything. It seems like CJ and the Colonists are a match made in Heaven. Selfish, ignorant, unable to see the big picture. The Colony will fall, not COULD fall but WILL fall.

And after it falls, the survivors will all run to Michael at Dunbar for protection and although Michael will obviously welcome them with open arms something deep inside me hopes he just tells them to "Screw Off"

Seriously you think Lizzy is going to be OK with this? Even if Saul tries to play it off as his own plan, it wont work. "Hey Lizzy Im glad I finally found you and got to see you for a week but Im going to leave now so bye! PS I hope the delivery of our first child goes well! PEACE! IM OUTSKI!" Even Michael wouldn't believe that story. CJ may be a good planner, but she is really stupid if she thinks everything will be fine and dandy. Michael will leave and Robbins and crew will follow him (why would they stay at the colony?). If Saul goes then Lizzy and Tanya goes. If Liz and Tanya go then Hope goes along with Datu. If Victor goes than Kelly goes (sprained ankle or not, they do have a helicopter). So Bye bye military assistance and bye bye Medical assistance. This is why I think CJ and Michael will come to terms as everyone is saying and make Dunbar the FOB, its either that or the Colony will be wiped out within a month.

[clem131]

In any case, after listening to all this idiotic humans hating each other for various reasons I think it's time to go back to the zombies and the whole "it's time we go to them" thing.
That, or a Lady-centric episode, I am not sure.

[SmokeyZombified]

In any case, after listening to all this idiotic humans hating each other for various reasons I think it's time to go back to the zombies and the whole "it's time we go to them" thing.
That, or a Lady-centric episode, I am not sure.

Mr. Whiskers and Lady need to go on an adventure

[Grognaurd]

I do not think we will see a split. I am tired of the tinhorn DICKtator of the month club. I want the adults to stand up and rally humanity. Michael has a natural charisma that has been on display since chapter one. Each season he has gotten more comfortable and proven himself. Winning over a hostile crowd is his next test.

Driving from boulder to Ft Irwin is 1000 miles in our world, not a post Apocolyptic KC world. We had turners in the convoy when they got there, and i still think We will have turners in the colony.

[clem131]

Mr. Whiskers and Lady need to go on an adventure

Nick, please start a petition and announce it on air on the podcast.

[scbubba]

I do not think we will see a split. I am tired of the tinhorn DICKtator of the month club. I want the adults to stand up and rally humanity. Michael has a natural charisma that has been on display since chapter one. Each season he has gotten more comfortable and proven himself. Winning over a hostile crowd is his next test.

Driving from boulder to Ft Irwin is 1000 miles in our world, not a post Apocolyptic KC world. We had turners in the convoy when they got there, and i still think We will have turners in the colony.

I'm still of the mind that we will see a split, at least for some amount of time..... I agree with you about Michael's capabilities and I really want him to be the big hero guy we always love, but I'm not sure it's gonna play out like that right now.

As for turners, we know it can take a while sometimes. Like you mention, we had a pretty long time lapse from Boulder to Irwin. Not sure if those turning at Irwin were first infected at Boulder or if they got infected along the way (since there were continuously new little ones in and chasing the convoy). But Amy is our key here - we know that she had a couple of days (minimum) from injury to turning (whether it was regular Zed or Little One we don't know yet). That's proof enough that someone else in the Colony may have an unreported injury..... <cue ominous music>

[SmokeyZombified]

I think its a permanent split, CJ and Michael are both way to stubborn and neither will give way. Saul and Victor are gone and CJ made it clear that this is non-negotiable.