Angel's Ring

[Grognaurd]

This shows up again in 37.3. Burt seems clueless, but Riley says it was his. It was an affirmative, not a deduction and I cannot help but think she sounds a lot like Scratch with her "I can't!" I have said it before with little fanfare even before we learned of Angel's ring, a reocurring theme in this story is Fratricide and I think it continues in Season 4. Sure Riley cares for Angel, but this wanting to track Scratch down is pathological. Damn, Southern California is a big place and it is not like she can hire the Pinkertons in the Old West to track the bandits down.

[pmchawk]

One reason Angel might still have had it was it could have been at Cindy's apartment. Perhaps Cindy was also someone who had left the family with angel and they supported each other through this transition.

[SmokeyZombified]

It seemed like Riley already knew it was Angel's ring, now Im not sure if that's because it was on his body? I doubt she would dig up his grave. So obviously she had seen it before and knew it was Angel's, possibly during the rescue Datu the Magnificent arc when they stripped down to change their clothes after the dead people bath they took? Maybe, just maybe, Riley knows more than we think about that ring.

I think (hope because I miss Angel's character) that we may end up hearing a Riley flashback with guest star Shane Saulk?

[Grognaurd]

I think she knows more, too.

Bricks placed the ring on the cross out of respect and Riley thinks it was Scratch to taunt her. No good deed...

I would love Bricks to have survived in Tanya's care, but I do not think he did. But, I always say that if there ain't no body than there ain't nobody dead. He may have been with the mallers, but he is the gentle giant character I always like.

[SmokeyZombified]

I think she knows more, too.

Bricks placed the ring on the cross out of respect and Riley thinks it was Scratch to taunt her. No good deed...

I would love Bricks to have survived in Tanya's care, but I do not think he did. But, I always say that if there ain't no body than there ain't nobody dead. He may have been with the mallers, but he is the gentle giant character I always like.

I agree, Bricks was one guy who needed to live. Maybe there is some off chance he lived but I doubt it, KC doesn't like bringing people back to life unless as a zombie and it's pretty much confirmed that Bricks is dead. The only plus was that he got his wish and didnt get killed by a Zed.

I need to re-listen, I think I missed the part where the ring was on the grave. Makes sense why Riley is so pissed!

[runs4theheckofit]

This shows up again in 37.3. Burt seems clueless, but Riley says it was his. It was an affirmative, not a deduction and I cannot help but think she sounds a lot like Scratch with her "I can't!" I have said it before with little fanfare even before we learned of Angel's ring, a reocurring theme in this story is Fratricide and I think it continues in Season 4. Sure Riley cares for Angel, but this wanting to track Scratch down is pathological. Damn, Southern California is a big place and it is not like she can hire the Pinkertons in the Old West to track the bandits down.

Maybe Riley will get a pet zombie and have it sniff out Scratch's scent on an item that was hers... Farfetched and weird as hell, but it goes along with the pathological route.

[FunkyDung]

I wasn't caught up with WA and on the forums yet when the artwork for Angel's ring was revealed. Was there much talk about what it means? I notice three things about it. I thoughts about two of them.

1. There are wings on it. I have no insight into why.
2. The phrase "de vita in mortem" or "de vita ad mortem" in inscribed on it. It means "from life to death". That likely refers to an inseparable bond, such as a vow. However, it's also mentioned in St. Thomas Aquinas' "Summa Theologica". Ordinarily, I might dismiss this as pure coincidence, but KC used biblical names (Michael Cross, Angel, Saul, Lizza/Elizabeth, Pegs/Margaret), so it's not completely impossible. The relevant section of the Summa relates to charitable acts being "deadened" by mortal sin. A reference to Scratch putting Angel out of his misery - but only because he royally pissed her off? BTW, has it occurred to anyone that Scratch's name might derive from "Old Scratch", a nickname for Satan in folk tales?
3. The pattern is Borromean rings. From Wikipedia: "In mathematics, the Borromean rings consist of three topological circles which are linked and form a Brunnian link (i.e., removing any ring results in two unlinked rings). In other words, no two of the three rings are linked with each other as a Hopf link, but nonetheless all three are linked." I suspect that Angel, Scratch, and Durai are representatives of three families linked like that.

I'm guessing some or most of that was discussed in previous threads. Did I offer anything new at all, though?

[Storm]

I wasn't caught up with WA and on the forums yet when the artwork for Angel's ring was revealed. Was there much talk about what it means? I notice three things about it. I thoughts about two of them.

1. There are wings on it. I have no insight into why.
2. The phrase "de vita in mortem" or "de vita ad mortem" in inscribed on it. It means "from life to death". That likely refers to an inseparable bond, such as a vow. However, it's also mentioned in St. Thomas Aquinas' "Summa Theologica". Ordinarily, I might dismiss this as pure coincidence, but KC used biblical names (Michael Cross, Angel, Saul, Lizza/Elizabeth, Pegs/Margaret), so it's not completely impossible. The relevant section of the Summa relates to charitable acts being "deadened" by mortal sin. A reference to Scratch putting Angel out of his misery - but only because he royally pissed her off? BTW, has it occurred to anyone that Scratch's name might derive from "Old Scratch", a nickname for Satan in folk tales?
3. The pattern is Borromean rings. From Wikipedia: "In mathematics, the Borromean rings consist of three topological circles which are linked and form a Brunnian link (i.e., removing any ring results in two unlinked rings). In other words, no two of the three rings are linked with each other as a Hopf link, but nonetheless all three are linked." I suspect that Angel, Scratch, and Durai are representatives of three families linked like that.

I'm guessing some or most of that was discussed in previous threads. Did I offer anything new at all, though?

Artwork? Wait, there's a Picture? I needa get that and someone WHO can descripe it to me! Lol!
...Guess the same goes for the cover art for the chapters. Hehe. This is one of the times being blind really sucks! (Joking joking, don't worry)
But yeah, thanks for this post, and especially the Latin phrase - been wanting a translation of the English one for ages.
If there'd been a "Loves" button I'd have clicked that.

[FunkyDung]

If there'd been a "Loves" button I'd have clicked that.

Glad I could be helpful, however accidentally.

[Storm]

BTW, has it occurred to anyone that Scratch's name might derive from "Old Scratch", a nickname for Satan in folk tales?

For some reason I forgot to answer this question.
But yeah, I've thought of that as well. That's also why I think Michael (St. Michael WHO leads God's army-thingie (I'm not relegious so I don't really know much about it)) kills Scratch. I mean, it seems like there's a lot of biblical references in the show - even two Towns that are anihilated.
...Guess this belongs somewhere else. Lol!