Loopholes & Inconsistencies

[Grognaurd]

There is some slack in the timeline. Later in the story, we guess that the outbreak seemed to start between 8:30 and 9:00. We are also told the outbreak reached Bell around 11:00. I figure Angel calls Michael around 10:00. Michael says he is about 30 minutes away from the base, so I double the estimate to account for increased traffic.

[fridginators]

I think that point about people being killed at a far higher rate than being turned is highly important and I guess implicit in the show - Tanya pretty much says it explicitly in 47-2 that plenty of people may be immune but just got massacred. I guess the same with skittles.

I agree that while all this may be nitpicky it is important because as said, we have KC but any new listener - if this ever gets syndicated or effectively commercialised as a box set - won't be able to clarify these issues.

That all said the strongest component to this show is the fact that it does start up immediately and that it doesn't dilly dally with all the "what's a zombie" bullshit. We learn our characters through the melee, and the zombies aren't just another generic disaster or post-apocalypse plot device. So I don't think you need to focus too much more on the beginning, but as you said, a slight addition here and there would work out well. I think particularly the proliferation of zombies - Pegs' flower pot incident makes it seem that they're all around, whereas obviously when driving in chapter 1 Michael doesn't seem to see too many. Maybe he should see blood stained roads and nearly have a close call or run over something? I don't know. Not my story to tell!

[fridginators]

As for the Behemoth #2, I guess I'm just surprised it didn't appear to be an immediate threat, that it didn't also enter the colony? I've listened many times to that episode. Maybe I just did miss something.

And I do hope you put in that Tardust line because otherwise it's unclear - I myself was just wondering why he doesn't say "I lived with her for four months". He is a bad liar so yeah it's easy for riley to call him on his BS.

[Gooer]

I think that point about people being killed at a far higher rate than being turned is highly important and I guess implicit in the show - Tanya pretty much says it explicitly in 47-2 that plenty of people may be immune but just got massacred. I guess the same with skittles.

I agree that while all this may be nitpicky it is important because as said, we have KC but any new listener - if this ever gets syndicated or effectively commercialised as a box set - won't be able to clarify these issues.

That all said the strongest component to this show is the fact that it does start up immediately and that it doesn't dilly dally with all the "what's a zombie" bullshit. We learn our characters through the melee, and the zombies aren't just another generic disaster or post-apocalypse plot device. So I don't think you need to focus too much more on the beginning, but as you said, a slight addition here and there would work out well. I think particularly the proliferation of zombies - Pegs' flower pot incident makes it seem that they're all around, whereas obviously when driving in chapter 1 Michael doesn't seem to see too many. Maybe he should see blood stained roads and nearly have a close call or run over something? I don't know. Not my story to tell!

Michael didn't see many during driving (I guess after they escaped the military base?) because they were spread out, hunting the humans. The first infected happened at spread out hot-spots, meaning the infection would of had to spread out from there, (such as LA), and move away, instead of examples like WD where everyone is already infected, they just have to die. Most people were just attacked, with a smaller percentage being infected, like how Pegs and Riley describe their first encounter. And the flower pot incident was several days after the initial attack - plenty of time for even more people to become infected, and more time for zombies to stop hunting and just wonder around more or less aimlessly.

[fridginators]

That does make sense

[Gnex]

I haven't went thru and read all the post here.... so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.


But I was going back thru listening from the beginning and I noticed something that was kinda odd.

So when Angel and Saul get back to the Tower after finding Burt, they clean things up and then Riley/Datu/Pegs etc, etc, etc.... come out and say they all hid but it didn't work because it was like they knew where they were......

This is eventually where the whole scent theory comes from, etc, etc......


Sooo............... The part that struck me as weird was, before any of this happens Saul, Angel, and Burt all spend the night on the roof and when they wake up in the morning there are just zombies hanging out right below them. They don't even act like they know they are there, and you would know that Angel, Saul and Burt are all pretty smelly at this point... just curious why they weren't trying to get up there at them. There was 1 climber that tried.... but then its like the other just gave up and and decided to take a nap....

[Gooer]

I haven't went thru and read all the post here.... so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.


But I was going back thru listening from the beginning and I noticed something that was kinda odd.

So when Angel and Saul get back to the Tower after finding Burt, they clean things up and then Riley/Datu/Pegs etc, etc, etc.... come out and say they all hid but it didn't work because it was like they knew where they were......

This is eventually where the whole scent theory comes from, etc, etc......


Sooo............... The part that struck me as weird was, before any of this happens Saul, Angel, and Burt all spend the night on the roof and when they wake up in the morning there are just zombies hanging out right below them. They don't even act like they know they are there, and you would know that Angel, Saul and Burt are all pretty smelly at this point... just curious why they weren't trying to get up there at them. There was 1 climber that tried.... but then its like the other just gave up and and decided to take a nap....

Maybe they were too dumb to find a way up......?

[Kc]

Maybe they were too dumb to find a way up......?

I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.

[Gooer]

I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.

Yea, i listened to the episode just now to see. You're right

[Gnex]

I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.

yeah, I guess the issue was more the fact that they were described as almost being asleep..... like they had just moved there in the middle of the night...... perhaps after hearing the gunshot from Burt...... and then they just took a nap.....

I guess I was more thinking they would be down there making noise and whatnot trying to get to the 3 smelly guys up top......