Early into listening to this episode, I came to realize that Kalani's daughter had red hair. Anyone figure out why I think so? I'll say more later about this.
Printable View
Early into listening to this episode, I came to realize that Kalani's daughter had red hair. Anyone figure out why I think so? I'll say more later about this.
You know how I love to go off on random mini tangants so I'm sorry, but did anyone notice at the VERY end of this episode that you can hear the begining of what sounds like Pegs? maybe that's the first voice we hear next chapter...
Yeah I am no nikvoodoo but just a random thought.
hannah is the girl killed when they try and make the "exchange" at the golf course! me thinks...
[QUOTE=nikvoodoo;36188] ;)
Oh so btw I got so wrapped up in all the content of this season I totally forgot to eat a touch of crow: The Mallers obviously did not go to the Other Tower now did they? QUOTE]
UGH, so much to write about too much work to get it done
Do not be too sure. I am still leaning towards the mallers using others as bait to locate the nest. When we parse what Kalani says, he siad he escaped, ran and then clocked on the head and then twice more. Now, this could just be coincidence of getting knocked down. But, to paraphrase Todd Wanio, Zach don't punch! These were the mallers...
We see others being dragged while conscious. No attempt was made to knockout Datu. Did the maller recon team knock Kalani out? Samantha was not knocked out. Nor the first dude. Tanya maybe...
What I meant by it was simply I had stated many times I believed the mallers had taken up residence at the other tower. But since cj is there by herself, thats that's not possible.
Where would Kalani get a gun at the end of season 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPaul
If he had a gun of his own, he would have used it trying to escape the arena with Angel and Riley, so he most likely does not have a gun when he gets to the Tower. Guard duty does not seem to include a gun at this point in the story. Pegs leaves Kelly a romance novel and offers to leave Mr. Whiskers. But, no gun is mentioned. If Pegs and Paul had doubts about the man in the pinstripe suit, I think the gun would be referenced in the story. Paul may have been able to protect himself with the gun. If a gun is available, Burt would almost certainly say something, why didn’t you just shoot him? Or, “where is the gun now?” So, I am leaning towards no gun with guard duty. Guns at the tower are locked up with Burt, but the thief just struck. I cannot imagine Burt saying (in Steven’s stupid voice) “We do not let people run around the tower with loaded guns. But, since you are the new guy that no one knows, why don’t you take this gun and 20% of our remaining ammo? And no matter what, I will not ask for it back .”
Kalani cannot be the Thief and I cannot find any easy way for him to get a gun in season 1 to be the Shooter.
There were a lot of drunk people around that night. Could be pretty easy to swipe a gun when a bunch of drunk people are trying to get into each other's pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
I see we spent a good portion of this thread going over stuff again (Zombie emotions and whatnot) so let me add old info to the discussion.
The first indicator that they weren't normal came during the incursion after the introduction of Pegs. One creature hid from them.
The second was after Burt's rescue with the infected sleeping.
We already knew Pinstripe could read and thereby.. reason. He also displayed "fear" or maybe caution when he got into tower II and was playing dead until he found out they were out of ammo. He was going to attack until Bruh Saul whipped out his "Knife". He reversed course after eyeball'n that.
We had the reaction or lack of a reaction to Datu falling into the trap. He was captured, not killed.
The infected taking one person at a time and clearly picking who went and who stayed in the room
The Behemoths even show a level of reasoning from the Kalani/Angel/Skittles episodes.
Someone correct me, but I also remember hearing Mr. Suit chuckle after he caught Riley's arrow.
Ok, enough on that topic.
CJ.. CJ... CJ...
Her little hiding spot wasn't a Bug out bag. That was a weapons stash that only she knew about. She didn't even trust Shawn to know about it. Her paranoia cost them the tower. Piss Poor weapons storage cost them lives.
At first glance, it would seem like it was everyone for themselves (more so in CJ's case), but when you look at the rescue attempt (which is slightly puzzling..more on that later) you see a coordinated effort.
The "Rescue Attempt"
Who was leading it?? Did it not work because there was no leader? maybe it was Angel's poor leadership? Joking, joking...
CJ is holed up in the basement and Shawn and Hope are presumbably stumbling their way south about now, so it wasn't either of them.
My opinon on why CJ was left alone:
Simple reasoning. Risk vs Reward. They had enough people and she was in a defensible postion with an unknown quantity of ammo/weapons and showed the skill to use them.
I also think Duncan/Skittles was left alone simply as a "Ah Haa!"
Like a sick pat on the back.. a perverted "at'ta boy", thanks for letting us in.... now watch this!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Why would Kalani be the only person the Mallers tried to use anyway? Doesn't make sense to try a tactic once. They had to have slipped someone in with the second group. Pippin was probably their 3rd attempt since we know his stories were false as hell.
Aside from being surrounded by a bunch of drunk people who may have had guns on them, one can argue that after the theft of ammo and such all guns and supplies were on lock down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
One theory I mentioned in this thread not too far back was that there could have been a Maller who saw to it that Kalani jump started the war. Once he provided the intel that there would be a party in which all Tower members would likely be drunk, and that they were very low on ammo, Scratch and/or Durai may have decided the opportunity was too great to pass up. They strike while the iron was hot, so to speak. So the Mallers may have had a runner deposit a gun with blank ammo for Kalani to jump start the war. Its an unfounded theory but it a possibility.
I posted more about it here: Page 8 of this thread
I do not like the steal from a drunk idea. I feel the guns were controlled in the Tower. The "simon" incident early in Season 2 indicates the changes Burt made; people walking around with guns.
Going back to the Paul-break in, The emergency plan for the tower is that everyone runs and locks themselves up in their own place until they are told to come out. Even when the breach was one person, there was no evidence of a counter attact
I gotta disagree man, too simple. The zombies have continually acted like they have an unlimited amount of resources, and their risk vs reward formula is unbalanced at best. You mentioned the trap...they had a bunch waiting under that hole for what could have been a long long time. And for what? One Datu? Planting a group like that for one dude seems...excessive...unless of course they were guessing 1 Datu x number of rescuers to follow = y number of people+original datuQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Naw, there hast to be something else...maybe an example of their evolution? Maybe they sense CJ is already infected and they are sending their own "rat" into whatever group she joins. Kinda like a carrier (does anyone else remember that episode of Captain Power?)
And why does Scratch want a war?
Durai drives the recon on the Other Tower "because what they could be"
==================
I want to spin the Prisoner / Correction officer a bit.
Ink / Roberts is judged insane
Duncan expresses evidence of a psychotic break and Skittles is born. This does not have to be the first time
Sean warns CJ to take it easy because he is afraid that CJ will have another break down.
Martin is loaded up with Uppers and Downers.
Scratch is whacked! Latch takes the fall for something that Scratch did.
I find it very hard to believe that Scratch does the whole 007 thing to the seventh power and breaks them all out of prison. Breaking them out of a mental hospital would be much easier.
More?
The make-shift tattoo parlor and nail clippings were in a hospital, not the prison.
Does Durai sound like a Super Max con? A Correction officer? How about a Pshrink?
Do prisoners where Bright Orange Jump Suits in the prison? I do now know. I have never been to one, so I do not know. I know that they wear them when being transported (at least sometimes) Could a group of prisoners be going to the hospital for something? Scratch hits a prison transfer linked to the hospital in some way.
So instead of CJ or Duncan being prison guards how about a link via mental hospital.
Looking for Help...
Doesn't skittles tell Angel to avoid hospitals. I thought doctors / smart people / smart zombies. But, maybe it is a more personal experience.
REaching out further incase KC is throwing out random statistics and linking more people.
Burt is diagnosed as with a major depression and is on meds
Lizzy is a psychiatrist
Michael is the Tired and Depressed Sgt.
Bricks is really really monotone. Is he light autistic / Aspergers?
Pegs has a phobia of weapons that just flips and becomes a non-issue. Is she so needy that her personality warps depending on people close to her? Anti-gun. Becomes a chef, goes pro-gun, She is needy to the point of alienating both Michael and Riley
Riley could easily be a recovering alcholic.
Tardust is pretty nutso and could be a firebug...
@ Aurthur, I know this is going to sound bad coming from someone who often is guilty of the same, but I think you are reaching too deep on that one.
As far as why Scratch would want a war with the Michaels tower and possibly force Kalani to fire the shot heard round LA is simple; they have tried to play nice and allow the Tower Members to let the Mallers in. They were denied. Durai arrived fully expecting to make a little noise. He knew he would be turned down, especially showing up with such numbers, but he didn't care. He wanted a reason to fight and possibly ordered Scratch to have her mole fire a blank round so they could have an excuse to attack the Tower.
If they found themselves victorious, then they could later tell the slaves, "Look, we tried to play nice but you shot at us. Now be compliant and maybe things will be easier for you." Just a thought.
Scratch said she bailed her brother out of prison. They say Easter bay is a prison, not a psych hospital. These guys definitely came from a prison. As far as Shauns reference to CJ having another break down, it could be as simple as she had too much effing pressure on her shoulders and she snapped. We've seen it happen to Michael.
Chapter 27 - The Thirty-First - Part 3 of 3
Who had that fail of a shootout at the arena? either this is new information or I just don't remember.
The Other Tower attempted a rescue of those who had been taken. That's what you heard in 27-3 and was described by Samantha in chapter 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
i think durai wanted the tower completely, not to share it with the current occupants, but to take it from them completely. this would've happened whether the tower folks let in some of the mallers or not. scratch is much simpler, revenge. pegs shot latch and the tower folks sheltered pegs, so they are as guilty as she is. granted, i think it was the mallers fault, and i think that scratch knows that it was her actions that contributed to her brothers demise, but she can't deal with that so she blames the tower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
@ Hero. Eastern Bay is a prison. Does Scratch say she broke Latch out of Eastern Bay or does Kc leave it vague and the community made the assumption it was Eastern Bay?
CJ etal were in The Other Tower. But, Durai is unlikely to know that it was a tower. He wanted to send spies on other survivers not a tower.
Go back and read the rest of my comments about their behaviors. Then listen to the podcast a few more times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willy Beamen
The trap was set for whomever fell for it. It was the behavior after Datu fell in that is an indicator that something was different. You may think that Risk vs Reward is too simple, but the evidence from prior actions suggests it. Not once have the infected just thrown waves and waves at anyone. They've shown caution when applicable (ie.. Tommy turning and running away vs attacking)
They've always pulled out after a certain amount of time.
i disagree on the risk reward thing. at that point, ink had at his disposal what equalled an entire city worth of zombies. in effect all of LA was turned, and the surrounding areas. i don't think ink cared enough about the "lives" of his zombie hoard that he would not be willing to through a hundred zed in there to flush her out. i don't care haow much guns and ammo you have, one person can only use two hands and can only shoot and reload so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
She says.. and Latch says that she freed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
it's one reason why I think Durai gave her the #2 spot.. that and everyone one else is scared to death of her.
How? Prior to this hadn't they lost a whole convoy of their best people? And how was there enough people left over from that tower to stage something like that? Who lead them?...sorry for all the questions I just really wanna know.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
i don't know about that, any time they assault a location, they are throwing wave after wave at a handful of survivors. they may show caution individually, but in a group they rush into situationsQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
Not you too! ROFL.
Explain him running away from Saul's knife then or why they get called back after each attack? How did the Mallers not get overrun during the "War."
How'd Datu get rescued (besides KC writing that way) if they just throw waves and waves and waves at you without regard to their well being? Why would one infected.. wait TWO infected show signs of fear (Randy being the second)?
If that isn't a sense of self preservation, then I don't know what is..
Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
Rushing into the fire as a group has nothing to to with not caring. If that was the case, they'd keep going until the whole arena was empty or they overran whomever.
i think that it has less to do with the individuals aversion to danger and has more to do with tactics. i agree, individually they show signs of minor self awareness, but in a group i think they tend towards a group think, led by a commander. ink is smart enough to reason, therefore we have no clue how smart he really is. let's look at the arena rescue, we know that they gather at a base at night, but the rescue wasn't at night, it was during the day when the majority of their force would've been deployed to the city. i think the commander would care less about losing one or two humans than he would taking a bullet so i think he would keep the bulk of his remaining force close to him. surprise also counts for a lot. i think neither side of the argument are one hundred percent, but i think that the answer is in between. i think the individuals are somewhat self aware and therefore seek selfpreservation, but the can be... overridden for lack of better word, when the area commander chooses.
I actually wasn't sure if I should post this here since it is kind of including thoughts I have from episode 17-3: I noticed that Skittles has a panic attack when he hears from Angel that the MRE locker at the reserve was torn apart and boxes were spread every where. Skittles says he shouldn't have eaten there because Behemoths can smell very well. He then panics and says, "I showed them where the meal was," and cries "No" several times. It sounds like he was reliving some of that guilt for being responsible for letting CJ's tower get over run.
At least he had the where with all to go back to the reserve to look for a weapon. I was wondering how he would have known the combo to the keypad but I see that you can access the MRE storage through the weapons room. Did Duncan/Skittles go with the convoy that cleaned out the weapons room?
[edit]
Also in 17-3 I think we get some evidence that it is possible Skittles is so far disheveled and ragged looking that even Kalani doesn't recognize him as once being Duncan. At first I was under the impression Kalani says Skittles couldn't have known him because he didn't feel like divulging useless information to Angel, but if you listen further, Kalani wants to take Skittles back to the tower. That seems like a risky move and had Angel and Skittles agreed, then Kalani would run the chance of having more of his passed revealed to Michael and the rest, and potentially get caught in a lie. I'm thinking Kalani genuinely didn't recognize and/or remember Skittles as being Duncan.
.
.
.
.
"Don't you just hate this?"
From page 3 of the thread:
:o...blah blah blah which is why I strongly suspect that Mr. Whiskers is really Ink/Pinstripes in disguise!
From page 7 of the thread:
:D...yadda yadda yadda. Dude! I just thought of something!! What if Mr. Whiskers is really Pinstripes in disguise!!!
From page 9 of the thread:
:yay:...yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk and that leads me to my latest theory: THAT TOWTM CAN MORPH HIMSELF INTO MR. WHISKERS!!!
From page 13 of the thread:
Zombutt's Highly Original Theory # 247:
:mad:I have strong evidence that Mr. Whiskers is really Ink.
But Not TOWTM, as he and Ink aren't the same guy.
Remember to credit Zombutt when this is confirmed in the next episode!
From page 18 of the thread:
:pHey guys! I have a great new theory about Mr. Whonkers!
Wanna hear it?
I THINK THE BLUE GUY IS REALLY THE CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please give me some detailed an in-depth feedback on what you think about my highly original, innovative, ground-breaking new idea, 'kay?
"DON'T BE A LAZY ASS."
[/RANT]
Our Tower conducted its rescue mission with 3 men (one with a broken arm). That many or more could have escaped from the Other Tower. Our guys had a Humvee, a light machinegun and some rifles, plus explosives of some unknown variety. The Other Tower guys had automatic weapons and explosives as well. The only differences I noticed between the rescue attempts was that there were no vehicle noises for the Other Tower rescue attempt, and, of course, Datu, Angel and Riley were able to break out of the Arena in our Tower's attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
Does anyone else have a tremendous fear that when we get to Chapter 28 that Kc will interrupt Michael and crew's reading of Kalani's journal by having Puck come retrieve him for some reason?
Means Kalani's backstory ends for the moment because CJ certainly can't fill in any additional information at that point.....
I REALLY want the rest of Kalani's tale and any more of the backstory on the Mallers and the Other Tower we can get. Still, it would be good getting on with the rest of the story and the sooner we do that the sooner we can find out about Angel and Burt's fates.
I suspect that the next Chapter is going in include Michael and the group at Fort Irwin getting some sort of a "quest" from the military that will send them back to LA and set up a reunion with the people they left behind.
I almost think you should have our guys walk out of the Arena in slow motion, while one of them throw a grenade behind their back and all put on dark sun-glasses as the flames engulf the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Please forgive me everyone but reading this put dark thoughts into my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
What if, and again, forgive me, but what if the soldiers at Ft. Irwin are acting under their own rule and let fly all the rules of society. Think to 28 Days later in whichSPOILER
What if poor Riley, is currently being taken advantage of? I would hate to learn of that happening and it would be a very dark moment for the story indeed, but I fear that Michael and crew may end up having to escape from Ft. Irwin just as he did from the Colony. Great! Now I'm all freaking scared for the fate of Michael and his crew.
also, the guys from the other tower had to deal with a behemoth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
it showed up during Tower 2's rescue as well. Remember Arrow head?Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
I think the only difference is that Angel, Riley, Datu and Kalani got out on their own pretty much. So the group was able to beat feet without any loses.
Other than this is how KC wrote it, there was no reason why one attack didn't work better than the other. You could hear the weapons being used by T1 and they had some BIG stuff.
I really enjoyed all of the backstory. I was hoping we'd hear more about Kalani's time in the We're Alive Tower, but I guess we are going to have to wait to hear more about that.
The big question about this episode that has stuck with me, is why Duncan was spared. I've read what others have said, but I can't help but feel there's something more to it.
-HaveCrowBarWillTravel posted an idea that he was spared as "a perverted 'at'ta boy', thanks for letting us in.... now watch this!". This seems unlikely as the One with the Markings did not offer the same "consideration" to Paul.
-CabbagePatch and others mentioned that he was schizophrenic and mentally unstable, and so undesirable. But he seemed to have cracked after the incident. And even if he wasn't desirable for turning, he could still be used a Zombie chow. Haven't we heard of zombies trying to eat canned goods and even dog food? I can't see them turning down a defenseless candy treat of Skittles.
-He could have been binge drinking to cover up his scent, but he still would have been very visible.
-Perhaps he was cleaning the cat litter pans for Chinwe and smelled like feces/zombies, but again he'd still be visible.
-Is it possible he was a relative of the One with the Markings? He might have a similar pheremone/scent signature that is protecting him. I don't know.
... but I can't wait to find out.
Pftt!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiphobe
I suddenly find myself channeling Ra1th (sans the Angel crush).
Just because he killed Paul doesn't mean diddly! LOL. You forget he likes to play games and has his own agenda. He's clearly calculating.
Why didn't he kill Kalani and Riley in the Hospital?
His actions clearly caused Duncan to crack. And no, Duncan wasn't loopy before the attack. If we listen, you hear CJ say that Duncan is the one who was designing the interior defensive walls that Kalani had to help pour cement for. The dude was and is getting back to being smart.
This is why I carry a crowbar, run around smacking FNG's
I'm too lazy to check if someone else posted this but..
I am currently relistening to the whole series and I noticed in chapter 10 part 1 of 3 at 5:06 Datu says "the eyes went green as the face of a beautiful young women came into view. Her RED HAIR was masked by layers of dirt and dry blood." In chapter 27 part 2 of 3 at 19:28 Kalani says "you have HAIR just like my wife."
The girl shot at the golf course was a red head. So this leads me to conclude that the person killed was no other than Hannah.
That's my two cents.
Yeah it's been discussed alot here and on WND. Now I'm not speaking for the WHOLE forum but I THINK the general thought is that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimi
a) Yes could be Hannah
b) As Nikvoodoo said, their is such a thing as hair dye.
-Which ties into Scratch's ploy in Ch. 24 "Her (Pegs) for the TWO of yours I have."
-Which would mean that the mallers dyed someone's hair red, had her shot, then Kalani (who was not there) assumes that it would be his daughter.
I kind of support b because I think that while scratch can make some mistakes, so far as we know she has kept Lizzy alive while michael thinks she did not. Keeping Hannah alive could be useful.