Chapter 27- The Thirty-First Part 3

[Adventureless_Hero]

Yeah, the fact that gatekeeper takes the name of his current position is going to make things a bit wonky for some folks who don't keep up.

Gatekeepers new title will be President? Herr Fuehrer?
I am actually hoping, though it is a very slim chance, that Markus survived the coup and actually had Gatekeeper's rebellion squashed. But I'm thinking this is more likely the case:

Gatekeeper to radio: "Who the hell do you think you are, asking for me on my radio, by my real name?"
man on radio: "Come now. Is that any way to speak to me?"
Gatekeeper: "Durai?!"

I get the feeling Gatekeeper is a former Eastern Bay inmate, possibly even a former Sister.

[IamPaul]

I was hoping the episode would keep going up to the point where Kalani kamikazes. I wanted to know if he gabbed the truth to anyone else in tower, like to Kelly, and if he was the one who fired the shot that jump started the war.

I am going to guess that kalani took the shot. Maybe tried to hit Scratch or Durai. Also I have listened to season 1 a quadrillion times (actually probably around 5) and when Kalani first gets to the tower, he has guard duty the morning of the day they have the party. He probably called the Mallers in desperation.

[thatrichterkid]

So Skittles is the new Duncan??
Who exactly said "Leave her" and who was it to?

[Adventureless_Hero]

I am going to guess that kalani took the shot. Maybe tried to hit Scratch or Durai. Also I have listened to season 1 a quadrillion times (actually probably around 5) and when Kalani first gets to the tower, he has guard duty the morning of the day they have the party. He probably called the Mallers in desperation.

Yeah, I had put that down in my timeline. But I can't be 100% that Kalani fired the shot. It seems like a dangerous thing to do when they are holding your kid hostage. There are a number of crazy scenarios that could have led to Kalani firing that shot:

-shoot first, jump start a war between the prison people and these tower people, rescue Hannah in the confusion
-Scratch may have ordered him to fire the first shot, knowing that the Tower folk would not want to fight, so she could have said he needed to be the catalyst to get the war started, thinking that the Mallers could not afford to waste the opportunity to attack (keep in mind they knew the tower folk had no ammo and would be drunk) also, where did he get the gun? were they handing them out at this point? or did he steal it in cahoots with Bill? Did a maller sneak around that morning and leave a gun with some blank rounds?
-maybe he fired the first shot aimed at Hannah's captor, just as you suggested
-he may have also been mislead into believing Hannah was already dead at this point, and lured the mallers to the tower in hopes of getting revenge

There are too many possibilities at the moment.

So Skittles is the new Duncan??
Who exactly said "Leave her" and who was it to?

Skittles is not the NEW Duncan, but rather the guy you always knew as Skittles, it turns out his real name is Duncan. He was a member of CJ's tower.
As far as who said "Leave her" it was a flesh biter, presumably Pinstripes. It was a command directed at other flesh biters telling them to leave Chinwe, aka CJ, alone.

Try to keep up, newbie.

[UndeadSweeper]

-Scratch may have ordered him to fire the first shot, knowing that the Tower folk would not want to fight, so she could have said he needed to be the catalyst to get the war started, thinking that the Mallers could not afford to waste the opportunity to attack (keep in mind they knew the tower folk had no ammo and would be drunk) also, where did he get the gun? were they handing them out at this point? or did he steal it in cahoots with Bill? Did a maller sneak around that morning and leave a gun with some blank rounds?

I think you may have hit it! Scratch has shown that she have her own agenda. Also I assume he would got a gun during the escape from the Arena. Or he could have when he hide the guns before the war.

Or maybe it was a Bug out bag. Someone was pulling a CJ Moment.

[Litmaster]

There's been lots of speculation about the nature of the zombies again with this new episode, which has led me to concoct a (I think) new theory about Zombie Lineages. It attempts to answer questions such as

- WHY TO THE ZOMBIES SEEM TO FORM TRIBES (i.e. 'cliques') UNDER ONE 'LEADER'?
- HOW DID 'INK' (et. al.) ASSUME SUCH LEADERSHIP?
- IS INTELLIGENCE THE MAIN FACTOR THAT QUALIFIES A ZOMBIE FOR LEADERSHIP?
- HOW DOES ONE ZOMBIE 'JOIN' A PARTICULAR TRIBE?


Check out the theory, posted here.

[7oddisdead]

Didn't the zombies, or at least the bulk of them get in through the basement? It sounded to me like Ink got in through the front, let out a howl and the horde came in through the area in the basement they were reinforcing. So maybe its just a case of CJ accidentally ran into the tide of zombies on her way to find her weapon stash and they found her, then Ink followed the gunfire and called off his "men" because CJ was too dangerous a threat to them.

Depends on how the word "downstairs" is used. Several times they mentioned those downstairs..i went downstairs...yadda yadda..but at no point did I hear they came in through the basement...no hate man,I had to double check myself..but I took it as the looby area..downstairs..think of this..when Saul and Vic were brought in..they made note of a wall being kinda sloppily built(paraphrasing)..i don't believe they came in through the basement there either, so yea...

[Willy Beamen]

but i wont disagree with most of the stuff you have said..hell, i like the majority of the ideas..but i do disagree as to this thread being the proper place for them..unless put into the context of this chapter

I dig it...and I guess your right. Proper place for the proper discussion eh? Still getting ahold of this whole "Forum" thing. Truth be told this is the first I have ever strayed into the world of the world of Forums, been living under a rock most of last six years.
So how about the idea of Ink being unique, I think if we can assume that Ink showed up after the zombies followed CJ into the basement then we can start to argue that Ink may not be unique because the other zombies show inconsistent behavior patters, or, if he did take the group to the basement then we can assume he is unique and the only one with survivalist characteristics (besides the need to feed of course).

[Tar Heel Fan]

I'm new here, and I don't think I've seen this, but this chapter has me thinking the following train of thought:
Reading through all the talk about CJ and the members of the other tower being involved in law enforcement, and taking the theories about TOWTM coming from Bill Roberts, who was likely at that prison, might it be possible that TOWTM recognizes CJ and Duncan? This is way out there, but perhaps they were humane towards him in the prison or stood up for him at some point. Because of his high-level of functioning, TOWTM might have stronger memory of his pre-zombified life and chooses to spare them. Something in the way "Leave her" came out struck me as a statement of mercy, not of strategy.
It seems odd that with the same amount of time, both the mallers and the other tower seemed to have a more intimate level of knowledge about the zombies than Michael and co. If the inmates of the prison were being experimented on as a part of this outbreak or Bill Roberts and his minyans played a role in spreading the outbreak, it would makes sense that these groups would know more about them and all that's going on. I'm guessing CJ has a bit more intimate knowledge of such things in her secret files, question is, when will she feel comfortable sharing that info with Saul/Victor?

Anyway, great writing, KC - you've truly created a world within this story that is captivating and believable (even in its unbelievability)

[7oddisdead]

I'm new here, and I don't think I've seen this, but this chapter has me thinking the following train of thought:
Reading through all the talk about CJ and the members of the other tower being involved in law enforcement, and taking the theories about TOWTM coming from Bill Roberts, who was likely at that prison, might it be possible that TOWTM recognizes CJ and Duncan? This is way out there, but perhaps they were humane towards him in the prison or stood up for him at some point. Because of his high-level of functioning, TOWTM might have stronger memory of his pre-zombified life and chooses to spare them. Something in the way "Leave her" came out struck me as a statement of mercy, not of strategy.
It seems odd that with the same amount of time, both the mallers and the other tower seemed to have a more intimate level of knowledge about the zombies than Michael and co. If the inmates of the prison were being experimented on as a part of this outbreak or Bill Roberts and his minyans played a role in spreading the outbreak, it would makes sense that these groups would know more about them and all that's going on. I'm guessing CJ has a bit more intimate knowledge of such things in her secret files, question is, when will she feel comfortable sharing that info with Saul/Victor?

Anyway, great writing, KC - you've truly created a world within this story that is captivating and believable (even in its unbelievability)

this I like!..of course, you could go the other way with it as well...leaving Duncan a mentally broken man and cj's tower in ruins with all her people dead...and leave her to live with it, to deal with knowing that...seems pretty vindictive and vengeful...could go either way..but that does tie the whole thing together..nice