Chapter 27- The Thirty-First Part 3

[reaper239]

My opinon on why CJ was left alone:
Simple reasoning. Risk vs Reward. They had enough people and she was in a defensible postion with an unknown quantity of ammo/weapons and showed the skill to use them.

I also think Duncan/Skittles was left alone simply as a "Ah Haa!"
Like a sick pat on the back.. a perverted "at'ta boy", thanks for letting us in.... now watch this!

i disagree on the risk reward thing. at that point, ink had at his disposal what equalled an entire city worth of zombies. in effect all of LA was turned, and the surrounding areas. i don't think ink cared enough about the "lives" of his zombie hoard that he would not be willing to through a hundred zed in there to flush her out. i don't care haow much guns and ammo you have, one person can only use two hands and can only shoot and reload so fast.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

@ Hero. Eastern Bay is a prison. Does Scratch say she broke Latch out of Eastern Bay or does Kc leave it vague and the community made the assumption it was Eastern Bay?

She says.. and Latch says that she freed them.
it's one reason why I think Durai gave her the #2 spot.. that and everyone one else is scared to death of her.

[HorrorHiro]

The Other Tower attempted a rescue of those who had been taken. That's what you heard in 27-3 and was described by Samantha in chapter 10.

How? Prior to this hadn't they lost a whole convoy of their best people? And how was there enough people left over from that tower to stage something like that? Who lead them?...sorry for all the questions I just really wanna know.

[reaper239]

Go back and read the rest of my comments about their behaviors. Then listen to the podcast a few more times.
The trap was set for whomever fell for it. It was the behavior after Datu fell in that is an indicator that something was different. You may think that Risk vs Reward is too simple, but the evidence from prior actions suggests it. Not once have the infected just thrown waves and waves at anyone. They've shown caution when applicable (ie.. Tommy turning and running away vs attacking)
They've always pulled out after a certain amount of time.

i don't know about that, any time they assault a location, they are throwing wave after wave at a handful of survivors. they may show caution individually, but in a group they rush into situations

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

i disagree on the risk reward thing. at that point, ink had at his disposal what equalled an entire city worth of zombies. in effect all of LA was turned, and the surrounding areas. i don't think ink cared enough about the "lives" of his zombie hoard that he would not be willing to through a hundred zed in there to flush her out. i don't care haow much guns and ammo you have, one person can only use two hands and can only shoot and reload so fast.

Not you too! ROFL.
Explain him running away from Saul's knife then or why they get called back after each attack? How did the Mallers not get overrun during the "War."
How'd Datu get rescued (besides KC writing that way) if they just throw waves and waves and waves at you without regard to their well being? Why would one infected.. wait TWO infected show signs of fear (Randy being the second)?
If that isn't a sense of self preservation, then I don't know what is..

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

i don't know about that, any time they assault a location, they are throwing wave after wave at a handful of survivors. they may show caution individually, but in a group they rush into situations

Rushing into the fire as a group has nothing to to with not caring. If that was the case, they'd keep going until the whole arena was empty or they overran whomever.

[reaper239]

i think that it has less to do with the individuals aversion to danger and has more to do with tactics. i agree, individually they show signs of minor self awareness, but in a group i think they tend towards a group think, led by a commander. ink is smart enough to reason, therefore we have no clue how smart he really is. let's look at the arena rescue, we know that they gather at a base at night, but the rescue wasn't at night, it was during the day when the majority of their force would've been deployed to the city. i think the commander would care less about losing one or two humans than he would taking a bullet so i think he would keep the bulk of his remaining force close to him. surprise also counts for a lot. i think neither side of the argument are one hundred percent, but i think that the answer is in between. i think the individuals are somewhat self aware and therefore seek selfpreservation, but the can be... overridden for lack of better word, when the area commander chooses.

[Adventureless_Hero]

I actually wasn't sure if I should post this here since it is kind of including thoughts I have from episode 17-3: I noticed that Skittles has a panic attack when he hears from Angel that the MRE locker at the reserve was torn apart and boxes were spread every where. Skittles says he shouldn't have eaten there because Behemoths can smell very well. He then panics and says, "I showed them where the meal was," and cries "No" several times. It sounds like he was reliving some of that guilt for being responsible for letting CJ's tower get over run.

At least he had the where with all to go back to the reserve to look for a weapon. I was wondering how he would have known the combo to the keypad but I see that you can access the MRE storage through the weapons room. Did Duncan/Skittles go with the convoy that cleaned out the weapons room?

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Also in 17-3 I think we get some evidence that it is possible Skittles is so far disheveled and ragged looking that even Kalani doesn't recognize him as once being Duncan. At first I was under the impression Kalani says Skittles couldn't have known him because he didn't feel like divulging useless information to Angel, but if you listen further, Kalani wants to take Skittles back to the tower. That seems like a risky move and had Angel and Skittles agreed, then Kalani would run the chance of having more of his passed revealed to Michael and the rest, and potentially get caught in a lie. I'm thinking Kalani genuinely didn't recognize and/or remember Skittles as being Duncan.

[Litmaster]

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"Don't you just hate this?"

From page 3 of the thread:

...blah blah blah which is why I strongly suspect that Mr. Whiskers is really Ink/Pinstripes in disguise!



From page 7 of the thread:

...yadda yadda yadda. Dude! I just thought of something!! What if Mr. Whiskers is really Pinstripes in disguise!!!



From page 9 of the thread:

...yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk and that leads me to my latest theory: THAT TOWTM CAN MORPH HIMSELF INTO MR. WHISKERS!!!



From page 13 of the thread:

Zombutt's Highly Original Theory # 247:
I have strong evidence that Mr. Whiskers is really Ink.
But Not TOWTM, as he and Ink aren't the same guy.
Remember to credit Zombutt when this is confirmed in the next episode!



From page 18 of the thread:

Hey guys! I have a great new theory about Mr. Whonkers!


Wanna hear it?


I THINK THE BLUE GUY IS REALLY THE CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please give me some detailed an in-depth feedback on what you think about my highly original, innovative, ground-breaking new idea, 'kay?

"DON'T BE A LAZY ASS."

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[Cabbage Patch]

How? Prior to this hadn't they lost a whole convoy of their best people? And how was there enough people left over from that tower to stage something like that? Who lead them?...sorry for all the questions I just really wanna know.

Our Tower conducted its rescue mission with 3 men (one with a broken arm). That many or more could have escaped from the Other Tower. Our guys had a Humvee, a light machinegun and some rifles, plus explosives of some unknown variety. The Other Tower guys had automatic weapons and explosives as well. The only differences I noticed between the rescue attempts was that there were no vehicle noises for the Other Tower rescue attempt, and, of course, Datu, Angel and Riley were able to break out of the Arena in our Tower's attack.