Would be quite clever if it were Burt and Riley; Chapter 41 ending with them arriving to save Datu would set up a good segway to Chapter 42Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisa
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Would be quite clever if it were Burt and Riley; Chapter 41 ending with them arriving to save Datu would set up a good segway to Chapter 42Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisa
I'm pretty sure, I've heard the same sound for when other little ones have been attacking (think i remember hearing the sound in chapter 36, maybe, i'm on 32 again now so i'm close to it all now
I don't see how this makes any difference. The truck is unavailable, it broke while being used. Specifically, while escaping from a little one. It's not there, and, and I really don't know why everyone keeps ignoring this, IT'S ABOUT TO RAIN ;_; No urgency for water.Quote:
Originally Posted by daveyman23
(Jay :))Quote:
I believe the burden of proof is on you: can you explain how Ink is so irrelevant that Michael's search is a wild goose chase?
Because she was put in charge?
You're points are valid but I just don't agree. I am not really a fan of CJ but I can't blame for everything, it goes all around.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Michael is under the impression, and is most likely correct, that when he returns to the colony his gear and men will be taken away from him, and he realizes that with Ink still out there it is only a waiting game from day to day. I think that the incident at the watermill will give CJ all of the reason she needs to end Michael's search, and he and many of the others will move to Dunbar permanently.
I've listened to this chapter so many times, I've got the Hostgator.com advertisement stuck in my head
I said Michael and crew would go to Dunbar permanently, I said nothing about Saul and Victor going back to the colony.
^and if that be the case, then what about Lady?!
as odd and random as it sounds, i can't see the show killing off Lady or ever Mr. Whiskers.
Where those two lurk, surely safety abounds, right?
That reminds me I still want a Lady-centric episode.
So before this weekend began I thought CJ was a terrible person and she was responsible for everything that has gone wrong since she came into the story.........
I have thought long and hard about it all weekend...... and after a great deal of soul searching I have come to this conclusion.........
I was right!!!!
DOWN WITH CJ!!!!! #TEAMMICHAEL :yay:
Maybe this will happen. But except for Michael and Soldiers we actually don't have any intel on anyone being displeased by CJ. So, who actually would move to Dunbar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malador
If this happens, I'd love to see the old Towerites gather in just another Tower. This would conclude the odyssey of all the original Towerites; and we would have a situation similar to what we had before the Mallers attacked - just with a much better fortification. And except for Angel, Burt and Riley we would have 'em all back teaming up. That, actually, would be nice.
BUT ...
Before that we will see some challenging struggles between Michael, Michael's soldiers, the major body of the Colonists, and especially CJ ...
Best wishes!
Liam
I am displeased with CJ...... there's your intel !!!!! :mad: LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Too bad I cannot rep you at the moment. You made me smile for this one ... :yay:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Getting back to the Victor theories.
I've noticed that during Chapter 40, there was a couple of mentions of the soldiers having recently checked Raydon Labs and Cain Mental Hospital. Now, I may be wrong, but the last time we heard if anyone being there was shortly before the tower collapsed. Maybe there's a mission we havent seen or heard yet, and maybe Vic was a part of it and screwed up in some yet unknown way.
I don't think KC wants to do a 20 minute shower scene......oh sorry, maybe thats not what you meant :pQuote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Would be nice to know WHAT THE HELL ACTUALLY HAPPENED!Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Welcome to the club! Still wait for Micheal's water system story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
Aside from the cause of the outbreak, I believe this is the show's longest running mystery...Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
I agree, I don't think what happened with Datu, Glenn and Jay was CJs fault entirely. It was an unfortunate event and like any unfortunate event people are determined to point the finger at someone. They will fight and argue about who is to blame, but sometimes we just need to accept the fact that bad stuff can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by daveyman23
That said, I too am not a fan of CJ and I actually think I am able to pinpoint why. It dawned on me while listening to old episodes. The episode where CJ recounts to Saul and Vic what happened when Kalani came to the tower and how it was later overrun etc.
CJ tells Sean that Kalani is a pilot and she jokingly says she doesn't 'have one of those'. When they agree to let Kalani stay they jokingly say that 'the queen will permit you to stay'. These jokes have a lot of truth to them. Kalani has been through a lot that day and hasn't slept in a very long time, and they still send him immediately to the basement to start mixing cement and crack jokes about his weight and not being able to work as hard as the others because of it and say if he turns out to not be valuable enough they will dump him. All of these 'jokes' are more true than jest. CJ does not look at people as real people, she looks at herself as the mighty queen and all else are her subjects. They are merely units of production and only good for what they can offer her.
It seems she sort of held Sean up as her king (and the only one she seemed to care about) and when he was lost she tried to offer Saul the job and was offended that he turned her down. She isn't used to being told no.
Boiling it down... the reason I don't like her is she doesn't care about the people around her, only what they can do for her. The reason I don't like her is that I doubt she will be sad that Glenn and Jay and Datu may have died or turned, she will not be sad at the loss of good men and friends, she will be upset that her best units of technical production are gone and nothing more.
Best description of the "problem with CJ" as I've ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
I hear you, and I agree with you 100% about CJ's attitude and behaviour in front of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
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I failed to recognize an important detail in Unit9014's posting ... So I need to fix shit ...
old But I don't see why this makes her responsible for the loss of Glenn and Jay and maybe R2Da2. /old
new And I, too, don't see why this would make her responsible for the loss of Glenn and Jay and maybe R2Da2./new
Behaving like shit in general and deciding something specific - these are two entirely different things. She did not send out R2Da2, Glenn and Jay, because she wanted to treat them like objects or functional units as she usually does treat people; she sent them out because they actually insisted to be sent out, and following their arguments she calculated the risks for "her assets" and decided in favor of taking the risk, 'cause the benefit might have been awesome. Ok, the outcome proves her wrong; but does this make her decision a bad one, if so - why? And does this make her fully responsible?
I already shared my opinion with arguments above; I simply sum it up: not in my opinion, no matter how objectifying she treats other human beings.
Best wishes!
Liam
I agree with you. At the beginning of my long rant I said I DON'T think CJ is fully responsible for what happened at the water pump, sometimes bad things just happen and there isn't someone we should blame.
I was just posting why I don't like CJ, completely independent from what happened in this recent episode.
Wrong... We still don't know what the test Michael was going to take was about. I'm sure that holds the key to the outbreak... Or not...Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Oh, damn me ... I am SOOO SORRRRRY! I didn't pay close attention when I read your article for the first time. This very important detail slipped my mind. I feel bad ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
Funny how she lets Datu and crew go out in a dangerous situation that she feels will benefit her goals because they insist nut she is all butt hurt and squawking when Michael "insists" on doing something that she isn't focused on. I still see it as furthering her own goals and their "insistence" is going to be a way for he to wriggle out of blame. I'm trying to remember where it is in the story but I think there's at least one place in Season 3 where CJ makes a big point of "It wasn't my fault!", maybe even repeating it a couple of times. I might be crossing wires on that one though.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Anyway, maybe she has been lulled into a false sense of security because there hasn't been much activity near the Colony lately. Maybe she's just stretched so thin on worrying about all the issues she talked to Pegs about last episode. Maybe a combination of things led her to making a bad decision. But I see it as another in a succession of bad judgement calls over the arc of her character.
Im my opinion, CJ accepted to be the leader of the colony back in chapter 37, so she is of course entitled to deny Glenn and Datu to go out on their mission. That is simply one the most fundamental mandates she received by the colonists. With special regards to the Glenn and Datu situation, she seemed to have never considered to defend them from their own technological eagerness to fix things sooner than latter for the sake of the colony. I personally know how techies operate, they are often too optimistic while neglecting the risks especially if there is only one more little step to go. CJ has known Datu for more than four months and should have considered that.
Yes! Most definitely this ^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
It's one of the reasons managing techies can be so challenging. On one hand, they'll have something that "can't possibly fail" so they don't take proper precautions or prep correctly. On the other hand, something "would never work" and gets put off or ignored until someone else actually does it (causing big ego wounds).
More points against CJs real world leadership skills. And more for her background as a "but here it is on paper!" type...
As far as I can tell: CJ did not know R2Da2 until she woke up from the surgery on her leg; before that it might have happened that Saul might have mentioned R2Da2; but that wouldn't be enough to say that CJ "knows" R2Da2 well enough for longer than just the last four months. But I agree in that way that during the last 4 months she had plenty of opportunity to understand R2Da2 well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
Infact: she knows Glenn much longer than R2Da2, because it was Glenn she put into one of the many safe-houses und who fueled the idea of repairing the broken sat-phone ... Maybe you confused the names? *g*
:) Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Hm, we both know these people, do we not? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9SVhg6ZENw
Didn't she wake up from surgery 4 months ago though? Or am I confusing the timeline?Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Pretty rational, safe way to be in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
CJ is business-like and clinical indeed. But I think that's a pretty normal reaction when so many around you have died horrifically. Some people go in for making human connections, others go in for shutting down, and self-protection. And to be honest, its the latter type that would probably do better in the acute stages of a zombie-eat-person world.
I'm not saying that CJ has always made the right decisions, or is a great leader or anything. But I can totally understand her character traits that everyone else seems to so dislike.
Perhaps I am wrong and this is an attribute she developed since the outbreak, but I don't think so. The vibe I am getting is that this is just her personality and always has been. There is a difference between not developing attachments to people as a way of easing the pain of they die, and acting like a queen/dictator working your pawns as hard as you can to achieve the maximum output. I see CJ filling the latter role. We see examples of the first type with Michael and Tanya trying not to get too emotionally attached to people and it is a very different emotional response than what we get with CJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire
But, given the stakes, is this a problem or a virtue? If she didn't try to (And I'm not saying she is succeeding) get the most out of the colonists, they'd all have run out of water, fuel, and goodness only knows what else. Like I said earlier on in this thread, she's damned if she's cautious and damned is she isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
As far as I can remember (though I do have an utterly terrible memory), we've only really seen CJ since the outbreak. And it seems to me that she has changed. To me, she seemed a lot more emotional with her tower folk, then she seems to have become harder and more cautious after that got Inked, and as time has gone on and limbs have gone AWOL, and now she's reaching breaking point on account of the colony's situation again, and she's starting to make more emotional decisions. I think how she is with Pegs is a slight indicator of that.
then again, perhaps I am just dead inside, so I get her :p
No worries, no need to feel bad. We agree on this point and even if we didn't you still rockQuote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Liam never rocked, he might be called old as a rock though. :cool: *runs for cover*Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
KC, do you give group discount for renting the Arena? Our favorite pod-casters haven't gotten an ep up since 11/20 and the people need to be entertain.
Is it just me or is there someone else who has wished for the imaginary episode 37-4: What CJ promised to the colonists in order to win their hearts and votes?
The test is on World Ending Pandemics........ and Michael fell asleep Cramming for the test the night before....... This whole story is just one wild dream..... and the final chapter will end with an Alarm clock going off as Michael is late for the test!!! :tinfoil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm