Chapter 26- "Who Overcomes" Part 1

[Leedo2502]

Just because a few people said "There's no way a z could find something to grab onto the bird" .... I wanted to post this:

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Apparently those people never watched a single episode of Baywatch of Hawaii Five-0 where not only was hanging from a helicopter possible but it was common-place

[Leedo2502]

When I was listening to this episode I was thinking it was pretty lucky that it was Michael and not Saul that made it to Ft. Irwin, Saul like most Infantrymen would have been "31-what??" I can't speak for all Infantrymen but ubless we here the actual job description we don't know any MOS outside of the 11 series and a few other Combat Arms MOSs

[7oddisdead]

So I relistened today. And I just want to make sure I heard everything correctly
from chpt 24
At the other building, where the chopper left from...when Burt fell michael pulled the zip line up to see the frayed,broken end.
At that point the chopper left
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When Saul and victor got to the building, it was still locked up from the inside.
On the roof, the zip line was now hanging over the edge, Saul used it to repel down the building(this is the part in not 100% on)

I'll save the speculation...just want be sure I have the facts correct

[looney]

When I was listening to this episode I was thinking it was pretty lucky that it was Michael and not Saul that made it to Ft. Irwin, Saul like most Infantrymen would have been "31-what??" I can't speak for all Infantrymen but ubless we here the actual job description we don't know any MOS outside of the 11 series and a few other Combat Arms MOSs

Now that I'm a drill sergeant, I know most MOSs that are common across the Army. When I was on the line, I knew 31B from seeing them around post and from WLC. Actually, before drill school I knew most MOSs that we run into at work. I agree that a lot of us don't know MOSs by alphanumeric characters, but if he didn't know he, he could have just asked.

[nikvoodoo]

I do believe in the long term we are going to see a Ft. Irwin/Tower Survivors vs. Mallers/Colony. I also believe that Michael might find some Intel on ground zero at Ft. Irwin. What say you Nik?

Not sure. It's hard to say right now simply because we don't know what those guys have been up to in general. Is there a good possibility? I'd say yeah. Probably. But evac would have happened early on and stopped pretty quick according to all survivors involved (Colony...hell even Saul within the first 9 hours) so how much information could they get if they are coming in from Irwin and going straight back to Irwin? Doesn't seem like many of these rescue missions went very well.

And re: the Twin Tower collapse is something I mentioned last year after chapter 24 when people were saying there was no way Angel could survive in real life.

[Razorw1re]

If there are survivors of the tower collapse, primarily Burt, I think that there are a few situations to consider.
1. Burt is bruised a abttered, but otherwise fine. If that is the case, does he still have shirly? cause if the mallers come a call'n and he is armed, then the rat meat is one of the mallers.
2. Burt is alive, but unconscious. Scratch will want to interrogate him with as much brutality she can muster without killing him.
3. burt is alive, possibly angel and some other random tower dwellers. They regroup, knowing where the others are flying off to and try to make a way to communicat and or signal a possible rescue if/when that should arrive.
FT. Irwin :
Though I trust that this place will not be as controlled as the colony, but we dont know who the Colonel is, and when the soldiers do contact him, he may not want to invite more survivors that may interfere with his power. Once bitten twice shy, I feel that FT Irwin is going not going to become home. though they may stock up on supplies and or form an alliance to take on the Mallers and the Colony . 2 on 2 sounds fair. There are also some "desert camo" choppers too, so it may be an opportunity to fuel up, get another chopper to scout with or even take the time for Peegs to teach Michael or someone to fly as well. Kelly will prolly get laid if thats what she want, I am sure those soldiers wont deny that basic needs either........

[Paolo912]

I hate to debunk all the hopefuls, and before you all hop aboard the Rage train and say I just don't like angel, I love Angel.
When the JGG (Jolly Green Giant) flew up towards the roof of the tower after the line snapped, They were trying to figure out a way to pick up angel.
Had they had time they could have done 2 things:
1)Gotten close and opened the door letting him get pulled in
2) Gotten as low as they could and have him grab on to the bottom of the chopper like the Zombie did.

While I do believe he is a alive for the Story's sake, There is on major thing that takes away from that hope. The last time they see angel is when they are trying to pick him up from the roof. Seconds later the last RPG sails past and hits the roof. If logic serves correctly; The chopper was as close to Angel as possible and this is the Same side of the roof as the Slack Zipline. I made a thread asking how much damage an RPG would do to a concrete wall with a person behind it.
he general response was the person would be Obliterated. Even if he did survive the blast there is 0 chance that he rappelled down for 2 reasons:
1)he is badly injured, Regardless of how much damage he took from the blast, he was most definitely thrown backwards into Bills New skylight.
2)The Blast most definitely broke the rope at the top of the tower. A small explosion wouldn't have done it. Bu this blast was large enough to be the Tipping point for the tower. Literally.
I think he is Alive. But he did not Rappelle down. Not a chance in hell.

[Ra1th]

I hate to debunk all the hopefuls, and before you all hop aboard the Rage train and say I just don't like angel, I love Angel.
When the JGG (Jolly Green Giant) flew up towards the roof of the tower after the line snapped, They were trying to figure out a way to pick up angel.
Had they had time they could have done 2 things:
1)Gotten close and opened the door letting him get pulled in
2) Gotten as low as they could and have him grab on to the bottom of the chopper like the Zombie did.

While I do believe he is a alive for the Story's sake, There is on major thing that takes away from that hope. The last time they see angel is when they are trying to pick him up from the roof. Seconds later the last RPG sails past and hits the roof. If logic serves correctly; The chopper was as close to Angel as possible and this is the Same side of the roof as the Slack Zipline. I made a thread asking how much damage an RPG would do to a concrete wall with a person behind it.
he general response was the person would be Obliterated. Even if he did survive the blast there is 0 chance that he rappelled down for 2 reasons:
1)he is badly injured, Regardless of how much damage he took from the blast, he was most definitely thrown backwards into Bills New skylight.
2)The Blast most definitely broke the rope at the top of the tower. A small explosion wouldn't have done it. Bu this blast was large enough to be the Tipping point for the tower. Literally.
I think he is Alive. But he did not Rappelle down. Not a chance in hell.

you're right on most accounts but the last time he was seen was after the zip line broke. By the time the chopper was in the air, and got a closer look at the roof of the tower, he was no where to be seen. So he had a couple of minutes before the tower crumbled to make his escape

[Ra1th]

hahahahah! Ra1th, Ra1th, Ra1th.. Of course Angel is alive
*shhhh ya'll. he'll hear us if we say otherwise and we don't want to make him mad at us*

So um, yah Rai1th.. Angel had better be alive since it looks like Burt is still kicking. When he does show up, he'll be the new leader too! Riley will find him and confess her undying love to him. *snicker*

LOL dream come true hahahahaha

[nikvoodoo]

I hate to debunk all the hopefuls, and before you all hop aboard the Rage train and say I just don't like angel, I love Angel.
When the JGG (Jolly Green Giant) flew up towards the roof of the tower after the line snapped, They were trying to figure out a way to pick up angel.
Had they had time they could have done 2 things:
1)Gotten close and opened the door letting him get pulled in
2) Gotten as low as they could and have him grab on to the bottom of the chopper like the Zombie did.

While I do believe he is a alive for the Story's sake, There is on major thing that takes away from that hope. The last time they see angel is when they are trying to pick him up from the roof. Seconds later the last RPG sails past and hits the roof. If logic serves correctly; The chopper was as close to Angel as possible and this is the Same side of the roof as the Slack Zipline. I made a thread asking how much damage an RPG would do to a concrete wall with a person behind it.
he general response was the person would be Obliterated. Even if he did survive the blast there is 0 chance that he rappelled down for 2 reasons:
1)he is badly injured, Regardless of how much damage he took from the blast, he was most definitely thrown backwards into Bills New skylight.
2)The Blast most definitely broke the rope at the top of the tower. A small explosion wouldn't have done it. Bu this blast was large enough to be the Tipping point for the tower. Literally.
I think he is Alive. But he did not Rappelle down. Not a chance in hell.

Greetings and salutations. Good first post.

While there is basically no way to know what they could and couldn't see, it's implied that they lost visual contact with Angel because of the smoke they were flying in (also the reason why Pegs couldn't hold the helicopter steady....hurray for the principles of physics!!). Pegs was also swinging the helicopter away from their current location to avoid the incoming RPG and also to try to get better positioning for the rescue. It's not a lot of time, but it's enough time that Angel could have run to the stairs to get off the roof.

But the real point I'd bring against the obliteration concept is the RPG didn't hit the roof. It hit "near the top of the Tower" according to Michael (24 ~48:30 or so) which is what caused the chain reaction and collapse. While still not a pleasant experience, the shock wave would be dissipated by having to go through at least one outer wall, potentially multiple inner walls, and a ceiling (maybe even the stairwell) before it hit Angel. Same concept applies if Angel escaped the roof and returned to the Penthouse level. If it hit a floor below him, it would have to travel through just as much gak to get to him. Same level impact........well that would just be a big ol' ouchy.

But I agree there's no way he rappelled down the Tower. I feel like he road it to the ground.