Will Angel Ever Take Control of the Tower?

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

I was waiting for Ra1th to jump on this =P

[nikvoodoo]

....I'm just curious how we're still talking about Angel getting laid when we know Riley wasn't in the room with him and was out having a smoke and that's why Lizzy didn't see her?

And you know....Riley is a lesbian. So....just sayin'

[Rock Daddy]

And can I just mention how much this seems like the night time/day time shift? Crowbar and RD will cover the mornings and early afternoons, while Ra1th and I will handle afternoons to third shifts?

LOL. This seems about right. We always need 1 member of each side on the clock at all times!

[nikvoodoo]

LOL. This seems about right. We always need 1 member of each side on the clock at all times!

Screw it!!! I can pull doubles all the time! Man up Rock Daddy!!

[Ra1th]

Nik, leaving a 14 year old girl alone in the guard room is not a mistake. THis is the most ridiculous statement I've heard from you EVER. If the armory was being raided, then FUCK the girl, because every soul in hte damn tower depends on the ammo in the armory.

Tell me this, in that situation there were two choices,

Leave the girl with tied up prisoner who's chained to a wall, and check who's stealing our ammo.

OR

when the alarm goes off in the armory, Hmmmm lets stay here instead, i'm sure SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. i'll just stay here and protect hope. if he had done that you would have come down harder on him for not hcecking out the goddamn armory.


You fail to understand why it is such a hard concept for people to latch on to? "leaving a 14 year old blind girl wiht a man you dont trust" Ok i'll tell you why. BECAUSE THE ARMORY IS BEING RAIDED. And here's another thing Nik, leaving hope with pippin DIDNT END UP KILLING HER. Pippin never so much as touched the girl. YOUR THEORY FAILS THERE. its over. Leaving hope with pippin is not the problem. Hope is not dead because Angel left her with pippin, and then pippin killed her. The rat assassinated her. SO blame the rat not pippin for hope's death. Angel was right in leaving her to check the armory

[Rock Daddy]

....I'm just curious how we're still talking about Angel getting laid when we know Riley wasn't in the room with him and was out having a smoke and that's why Lizzy didn't see her?

And you know....Riley is a lesbian. So....just sayin'

Maybe it wasn't Riley... Or maybe she went out for a quick "after-sex" smoke. And there's a lot of women that aren't B/W lesbian or straight. Maybe she's in the grey area and trying to figure her feelings out, and it's really tearing her up... LOL

[Ra1th]

....I'm just curious how we're still talking about Angel getting laid when we know Riley wasn't in the room with him and was out having a smoke and that's why Lizzy didn't see her?

And you know....Riley is a lesbian. So....just sayin'

shutup you have no proof

[Ra1th]

Crowbar, you want an example of ANgel's leadership?

During field missions, Angel is hte one in charge, and he does show leadership. During the MRE mission, Kalani deterred to him when they realized they were being hunted, Kalani turned to him when the behemoth appeared. With the mission at the arena, Datu and Riley turned to him when michael "died" , they turned to him when datu was captured. they turned to him on the mission to rescue datu.

Now I consider this to be damn good leadership. ANd if you disagree, then thats a difference of opinion that will NEVER be settled no matter how much debate goes into it. You're going into this with the mindset that the butterbar can never lead, And i'm going into this with the mindset that Angel can do no wrong. So we're at an impass

[Ra1th]

Ra1th,
I agree with much of what you say. From an unbiased, rational point of view, Angel probably did what he had to do by leaving his post to investigate the alarm. The problem is, once everyone finds out what happens and shit starts to hit the fan, people aren't going to be rational or unbiased. There is going to be panic and chaos. And Angel is going to end up with the blame.
Someone, most likely Michael among others will probably stick up for him eventually, but people are still going to blame Angel for what happened. And Angel will probably end up blaming himself to some degree also. It might not be fair but its going to happen. People are going to look for a scapegoat to blame for this, and until the culprit is found Angel (assuming he isn't the culprit himself) is the easiest scapegoat.
And this is what puts another nail in the "will Angel ever become leader of the Tower" question. This sort of thing just keeps happening to him. He gets blamed for things that aren't necessarily his fault. He makes rational decisions that turn out to bite him on the ass (wanting to leave Burt behind, wanting to not let Lizzie and her boyfriend in because it was too dangerous, etc...) These are the sorts of things that on paper seems rational but make people angry. And now people are going to see him as failing to save Pippin and Hope (if Hope was killed). People just aren't going to want him as leader if that's the way they see him. Is that fair? Absolutely not! But whoever said life was fair?

I don't think this is gonna be much of an issue in the long term. Hey after the war, Michael was hated by everyone because they felt that he lead them to war, and that he wasted all their supplies on zombie recon missions, But he still came back. this won't be good for him in the short run, but people will move on soon enough

[Pteranodon]

Amen, Ra1th! In the first few episodes Angel deferred to Michael cause he had battlefield experience in the real world. Well, I'd say Angel has plenty of battlefield experience now- everyone in the Tower's a 'steely-eyed missile man' by now...

I don't think he wants command, but if Michael were killed he'd have to accept the reins.