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    Quote Originally Posted by Ra1th View Post
    That’s Lt TUNUDO kthnxbai
    Well....technically that's not right. At least not until the canon of the show gets fixed....till then, Lt. Angel!
    Once again crazy situation, shit’s going down, some douche is about to steal your supplies, screw the blind girl, she’ll be fine, what’s the worst that could happen? Ohhh noooo some dude with a gun is gonna show up and slaughter everyone in the room…. Oh wait… well shit. What was the chance of that happening one in a thousand?
    And here's where you and I differ on Angel left and right. Angel does not think of the people around him. "Screw the old guy. Screw Lizzy and Todd. Screw Saul. Screw the 14 year old. I've got to go to something else instead!" You know what, all this stuff would be fine with me if he simply said, "Hope, keep your head down", "Hope, get under the bed", "Hope, hide in the closet", or "Hope, stand over here away from that guy that no one trusts" before he left. He left a child out in the open when something potentially dangerous was going down....with a guy nobody trusts.

    Angel does not seem to think of human beings as people. He think of them as something else, and that is disturbing to me. At least he's been consistent. If this was a sudden thing, I would just be confused instead of annoyed. He's now seen how people react when he makes those decisions (leaving Burt and Saul) yet he continually does it. The circumstances from when he first arrived at the Tower have changed. From the military point of view, he probably has done nothing wrong, but he's not being judged by the military. He's being judged by civilians, who can't disassociate people from being instruments of war he can view them as.

    Why would he kill hope? What good does that do him? And even if it does. Stopping someone from breaking into the damn armory and stealing all their weapons and ammo again is worth more than the 1 in a thousand chance that pippin would kill hope. And you know what? Pippin didn’t kill hope.
    So it's ok that he left Hope alone with the person no one trusts because he got shot before he could potentially do anything? And once again, my point is if the guard room is outside the door to the stairwell, you don't.... have to leave. You can wait for the thief to walk down the hall to the stairs because there are no other options available to them. They can't escape any other way. He didn't need to leave the guard room unguarded. They could take all they wanted, but they can't get anywhere because Angel is there. There are other options available....other than doing what I've ended just about every paragraph on the last two pages with involving an untrustworthy Pippin and a 14 year old girl who is visually impaired.


    Yeah I know YOU don’t think Michael is perfect, but every other person on this forum thinks he’s god’s gift to the zombie wasteland, so showing people that Michael the perfect soldier would have done the same thing makes it easier to say that Angel didn’t make a bad call.
    Hell, I said I would do the same thing....but after I protected the 14 year old blind girl. I think most everyone's instinct would be to check the alarm. I just think most people with a soul would protect a child first, then check on the alarm. If someone is really rooting through the armory. It's going to take longer than the 10 seconds it takes to safely stash Hope and run down the hall.


    Who the hell expected the raid on the armory to be a distraction? What are the chances that the whole thing was a set up so that someone could go shoot Pippin? This is ridiculous, you’re saying that when Angel heard the alarm go off, instead of going to check on it, he should have stayed in his room, and waited out because he psychically knew that the rat would come in and shoot pippin. You’re taking into consideration facts that Angel did not know, and facts that YOU did not know during the time of the attack. When that alarm tripped, the best decision was to go check it out. Pippin was not a threat to Hope, Pippin never attacked hope. Someone else attacked THEM. To expect angel to have stayed in the room and waited for the attacker to come is just plain stupid
    I am simply presenting an alternative. Besides, as I've said over and over again: I/you/Angel/Michael/Everyone on this forum/Everyone on the facebook page would check the alarm. Its just in my opinion, the blatant lack of regard for the safety of a child is disturbing. Sorry to beat the same drum on the same note repeatedly.

    And what else is there to know about Pippin other than nobody trusts him? I'm not even considering what happened with Pippin and Scratch because I don't know who or what Pippin was or what his purpose might have been. His story could have been completely true for all we know. I don't consider Scratch's scene about Pippin in terms of the trust because quite honestly, I never expended the brain power to figure it out. There wasn't enough information to draw a conclusion from it, and it was swamped among coded talk so Lizzy wouldn't understand what was being said. I've tried to take Pippin at face value, and on his face (or whatever might be left of it) was nobody trusted him, and I didn't trust him from his answers in the interrogation scene in the last episode.


    I’ll admit Angel fell for a diversion, But Michael would have done the same thing. Burt would have done the same thing. Saul would have done the same thing. You can’t blame angel for something like this because when this was all going down, when you first heard that alarm go off, did you think, oh I think angel should stay here and protect hope? NO! you thought oh shit someone is raiding the armory get on it angel. And THEN the rat shoots pippin, and maybe hope. This isn’t a bad leadership call for Angel. That was the best decision to make at the time.
    Yup. I would bet everyone in the Tower (barring the assassin of course) would have fallen for this ruse. And someone should have learned a lesson from the initial betrayal and instituted team guard duty (both Burt and Michael) because its harder to do something dastardly if someone is there with you. Sadly, this wasn't a lesson learned. I betcha one of the first lines Michael says when he finds Pippin dead is to attack Angel for leaving him alone despite being told he isn't to be left alone. If you can't follow orders, you sure as hell can't give them.
    Last edited by nikvoodoo; May 24th, 2011 at 01:01 AM.
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