Will Angel Ever Take Control of the Tower?

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

i'd fight back, buuut, 6 or 7 pages from now, its all gonna end in a stand off anyway so might as well save the trouble.

so what do you mean by full bird? where'd that one come from?

Full Bird (Army, AF and Marines 06/Colonel)is a nick name just like Butter Bar, but BB is normally said with a hint of contempt because they're still wet behind the ears. Ones from the Academy are really looked at sideways. Prior Enlisted get a pass most of the time depending on their TIS (Time in Service).

[nikvoodoo]

Well....this topic hasn't been brought up in just over a month...I think I will just go ahead and bump it back into everyone's memory.

After all, Angel did just leave the room with a "prisoner" and a blind girl...And one or potentially both of them got shot. This is just one more example of why Angel should never lead the Tower.

[Kc]

Well....this topic hasn't been brought up in just over a month...I think I will just go ahead and bump it back into everyone's memory.

After all, Angel did just leave the room with a "prisoner" and a blind girl...And one or potentially both of them got shot. This is just one more example of why Angel should never lead the Tower.

That's something said in hindsight of course No pun intended.

[Ra1th]

Well....this topic hasn't been brought up in just over a month...I think I will just go ahead and bump it back into everyone's memory.

After all, Angel did just leave the room with a "prisoner" and a blind girl...And one or potentially both of them got shot. This is just one more example of why Angel should never lead the Tower.

IT IS ON, IT IS ON TILL THE BREAK OF DAWN! (but I'm a bit busy right now, so I'll come back in a few hours and then IT WILL BE ON!)

[nikvoodoo]

That's something said in hindsight of course No pun intended.

I absolutely agree. If I had been in his shoes, I would have run down the hall to check too. My ultimate goal was to bait ra1th a little bit.

IT IS ON, IT IS ON TILL THE BREAK OF DAWN! (but I'm a bit busy right now, so I'll come back in a few hours and then IT WILL BE ON!)

And look! I Worked!

[cupcakezombie]

Its ok Ra1th, you don't have to be the only one to have Angel's back.

I don't think Angel was that much in the wrong leaving Hope in the room. She was there to learn how to help with guard duty, so they (Michael had no problem with her being there) trusted her to be able to do this. Pippen was handcuffed, and it sounds like Angel only went down the hall. I would have done the same thing, except I might have said to Hope to stay there and call out if she needed anything (but that is only if I had thought of it). There is not much he could have done differently.

[HardKor]

Its ok Ra1th, you don't have to be the only one to have Angel's back.

I don't think Angel was that much in the wrong leaving Hope in the room. She was there to learn how to help with guard duty, so they (Michael had no problem with her being there) trusted her to be able to do this. Pippen was handcuffed, and it sounds like Angel only went down the hall. I would have done the same thing, except I might have said to Hope to stay there and call out if she needed anything (but that is only if I had thought of it). There is not much he could have done differently.

I agree with you on this. I don't think its going to help Angel much if Hope did get shot though. If she dies, Angel's gonna get blamed for it, and I don't want to even think about how Datu's going to react, he might try to kill Angel for "letting her die."

[Ra1th]

I agree with you on this. I don't think its going to help Angel much if Hope did get shot though. If she dies, Angel's gonna get blamed for it, and I don't want to even think about how Datu's going to react, he might try to kill Angel for "letting her die."

How will Datu react? Same way Datu always reacts lol by running away crying .


Allright nik ( and Crowbar) , I just aced my finals, NOW I'M GONNA ACE YOU!

The argument is, Angel is at fault for leaving pippin unguarded to go check on the alarm going off in Burt's shop. I don't see what the problem is with this decision Pippin was chained... to a wall. He wasn't about to go anywhere. He wasn't going to be able to hurt Hope, because he was CHAINED. he wouldn't be able to cause chaos and craziness in the tower, because he was CHAINED. The guy wasn't going anywhere. So I think it's established, that Pippin was not a threat to the tower.

So the next step is Angel the Pippin is dead, and Hope or the radio has been shot? Yes, if he had not ran to check on the armory, they'd be alive. But maybe you're forgetting, the armory alarm had been tripped. The armory had been raided before, and the rat had stolen all of their supplies. When the alarm was tripped, the first reaction of any soldier, EVEN the infallible Michael would have done the same thing. The logic behind it is simple, Pippin was chained to a wall, he wasn't going anywhere. The armory on the other hand was possibly being raided by the traitor. The best choice at that time would have been to run and check out what was happening at the armory, and possibly find out who tried to break in. The armory is on the same floor as the guard room, and I believe they are both on the second floor. Well the majority of the tower has relocated itself to the 5th and 6th floors of the tower after the fire, so there is a very good chance that Angel was one of the only ones who were in the vicinity to hear the alarm go off. So basically, best decision he coulda made was to check out the armory rather than keep guard over pippin, because no one could have assumed that pippin would fall under attack. The only logical move in that situation was to go check on the armory.

[kafu288]

Doesn't matter if it was a logical move or not, leadership is about perception and faith. You really think some residents of the tower, such as Steven, would want to be lead by a man who failed while he was on duty and had 1(2) people shot on his watch? I DOUBT IT!

Angel was right to go check but that doesn't excuse the fact that this was a huge nail in the "Angel ever leading the tower" coffin

[nikvoodoo]

How will Datu react? Same way Datu always reacts lol by running away crying .


Allright nik ( and Crowbar) , I just aced my finals, NOW I'M GONNA ACE YOU!

Aww, you're so darling. And why are you bringing crowbar into this? He hasn't said anything about Angel recently.

The argument is, Angel is at fault for leaving pippin unguarded to go check on the alarm going off in Burt's shop. I don't see what the problem is with this decision Pippin was chained... to a wall. He wasn't about to go anywhere. He wasn't going to be able to hurt Hope, because he was CHAINED. he wouldn't be able to cause chaos and craziness in the tower, because he was CHAINED. The guy wasn't going anywhere. So I think it's established, that Pippin was not a threat to the tower.

I don't know how he's chained. Do you know how he was chained? Have you never seen someone strangled with a chain? If he felt like it, he could have wrapped that chain around anyone's throat. According to the chapter artwork, he's handcuffed to the bed frame. If he had horrible intentions in his mind, being left with the 14 year old blind girl seems like a great time to make your move and break free by destroying the bed frame. Is it likely? No. However, simply being chained doesn't make you completely danger-free. Hey, don't get me wrong, my first reaction would have been to run and investigate, but you know what? I would have at least paused to consider the 14 year old blind girl in the room with me. Given her some instruction as to hide something. But he left a defenseless 14 year old girl by herself with someone nobody trusts.

So the next step is Angel the Pippin is dead, and Hope or the radio has been shot? Yes, if he had not ran to check on the armory, they'd be alive. But maybe you're forgetting, the armory alarm had been tripped. The armory had been raided before, and the rat had stolen all of their supplies. When the alarm was tripped, the first reaction of any soldier, EVEN the infallible Michael would have done the same thing. The logic behind it is simple, Pippin was chained to a wall, he wasn't going anywhere. The armory on the other hand was possibly being raided by the traitor. The best choice at that time would have been to run and check out what was happening at the armory, and possibly find out who tried to break in. The armory is on the same floor as the guard room, and I believe they are both on the second floor. Well the majority of the tower has relocated itself to the 5th and 6th floors of the tower after the fire, so there is a very good chance that Angel was one of the only ones who were in the vicinity to hear the alarm go off. So basically, best decision he coulda made was to check out the armory rather than keep guard over pippin, because no one could have assumed that pippin would fall under attack. The only logical move in that situation was to go check on the armory.

Once again, 14 year old. Blind. In room. Man you no trusty. I understand that the alarm was tripped. And perhaps its more of an indictment of Michael/Burt (you know...the leaders of the Tower) than it is of Angel to say there isn't any system to get a hold of others in the Tower when something goes wrong. And if I'm not mistaken the guard room has been relocated to the 5th floor, along with everything else. So the store and armory would all be located in the same vicinity as the guard room. Remember, Lizzy fell asleep on guard duty and everyone in the Tower heard the fight because they were all right there. In theory, this means Angel wouldn't even have to like...leave the room to investigate the armory.

And what does he do once he's investigated the armory? Return to his post and wait for others to show up so they can all search. Why leave your post at all at that point? If they are all indeed located in the same hallway of this apartment building, they would have to pass you to escape because there's only one set of stairs, they balconies aren't an option because the ones below the 5th floor have been booby trapped, and you're 50 feet in the air and jumping out the window would have adverse health effects.

I understand I'm taking potshots at Angel after the fact. And as I said in my response to Kc I totally would have gone to investigate the alarm myself. But since I'm willing to admit that I would have made the same "mistake" Angel did, you have to admit that Angel fell for a distraction, and was lured away just as the Rat/Assassin intended him to be. He was chosen as the mark for this ruse, not Kelly who had been in that room with Pippin for the previous 6 hours.