Awesome KC!!!! a break-thru in the case!!!! :)Quote:
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Awesome KC!!!! a break-thru in the case!!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Damnit....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
The Attacks aren't the same!!!!
In the original attack...... when we are the listening to the actual attack..... Randy says what sounds like "Get Up" something along those lines..... there may be something else as they run off but hard to tell..... but he only says 2 things from what I hear.
Once we get to Datu's retelling of the story....... Randy says what sounds like "Mine".... "Go"..... and "Leave". We now have him saying 3 things, and not "Get Up".......
Also There is a noticeable difference in how much easier it is to understand Randy during Datu's retelling...... Does Datu being infected have an impact on how well he understands the zombie language???
Is there a potential now for the survivors to catch Randy/Other Zombies....... and have conversations with him/them using Datu as an almost Zombie translator???
Just relistened on the way to work. I believe gnex hit it right on the head. But what could that mean?
I've speculated at one point about the virus or whatever IS effecting the language center of the brain..could this be the case? If so, then inks tattoos, the shopping list, the differences between the scenes here...all would make sense. Also would make sense about why bill was treated like an alpha as soon as he stepped out of the van....but that also means....
that fucker KNEW....
Interesting. Prior to participating in this thread I joked with the WAFancast guys that Datu could be the zombie version of Blade. Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Ugh, this Imperfect narration gives me a head ache. Datu is the only one who survived the attack ( that we know is writing ) and has to write down what happened. Datu or Michael could record their conversation, so maybe Michael writes down something different. unless Datu records it differently? Does Datu record it differently on purpose? By accident?
I do not think KC has broken with everything being recorded in a journal...
Good question. If you want to get technical, in this case, it appears in two separate entries by two different people. Datu's account is the first one you hear. Michael's is the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I personally dont think that there is a zombie language for the simple fact that Saul and Tanya have also been bitten, now you could be correct but I think Saul was closer to turning then Tanya, all the fevers and not waking up for a while. And would they be able to understand Zombies better like the Datu theory. But then again the the reason I think its not possible is becuase INK or the man in the PIN STRIPE suit talked as well to the people in the tower. They understood him clearly enough to where they thought he was human.
WA to the END!
I think Ink 100% knew that something was going to happen............. The part that is kinda sticking with me a little bit is when they say Ink went Crazy or whatever........ They say he killed his Girlfriend, The guy he was cheating with, and that guys family.......Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Now why kill the family??? The Girl and Guy I get...... but the Family??? A fit of rage??? or did he know something about the boyfriend and his family???
Seems like not long after he was put in jail he tattood himself up, now if we assume that there is either A) something in the ink(follistatin,etc,etc) or B) some meaning to the tattoos, Then Ink knew something was going to happen cause he made sure to get those tattoos before anything!
Maybe he did have something to do with it, Maybe he is the one that put some kind of gas bomb in the sewer of L.A. and put a timer on it. Maybe he knew he was going to turn. Maybe he knew he could get out of jail, Maybe the chimicals he was working with made him crazy where he killed all those people. And just maybe he figured he had nothing to live for so he made it to where he would infect people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Maybe Maybe Maybe! I dont know what the hell I am talking about! But Keep bringing it on KC, Keep those chapters coming!
And so the mystery has been solved.
I think this may be true, but this is how I would look at it.... Everyone understood Ink pretty well..... yes, however, in life Ink was super smart.... like far far above normal smart...... plus we also know(or assume) that Ink knew something was going to happen..... the Ink, the tattoos, etc, etc, etc.... there could be a link there as to why Ink can speak better than your normal zombie or even your normal smart ones.......Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcadtek
Next...... Datu is basically the only one that has been bitten........ wait wait.... I know Tanya and Saul..... but really...... Saul was more blood contact thru a wound..... and Tanya was more of a nibble instead of a bite......... However, even if we want to argue those points....... both Tanya and Saul were "Bitten/infected" but normal/common zombies......
Datu is the only character that has been bitten/infected by a smart one, Also.... Datu was bitten by Randy...... Randy who we have already seen with the chemicals that we believe are in Ink's tattoos.... I think there is a strong link between the chemicals and being able to speak, and so far Datu is the only one that should be able to confirm if this is truly the case.
Well I do agree that being bitten and infected by smart ones is diffrent, But I still think that it doesnt matter how you are infected becuase how more Blood to Blood contact can you get then what happend to saul. so is the saliva more Potent then the Blood? Well like you said I dont think it matters how they got infected, but how smart they are. know are the smarter ones more deadly? Saul and his mom where bitten by regulars. we will have to see what happens to Datu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Well, to the best of our knowledge, CJ has not been infected and reported hearing "Leave her"
Simplest is Michael was not listening very wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I remember thinking the 2 accounts of the attacks sounded different, but just didn't put it together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
So why has it changed so much between one telling of the story to the other? Would Datu have told the story differently to Michael from when he took the time to write it down himself? Maybe Datu's changing is messing with his memory? Why do Kc's answers always lead to more questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Perhaps he has a future in politics if writing doesn't pan out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kent17
I could be wrong.... but I thought the one that said "Leave Her" was Ink??? So CJ being able to hear that would be the same as the other survivors at the town being able to hear him say "It's me Paul"Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Ink is just smarter and can do that kinda stuff..... :D
WAYLAND 2016!!!! HOPE(not that one) and CHANGE(not that one either)!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDung
i have to agree there...Quote:
Originally Posted by kent17
I was picturing something more along the lines of a zombified KC with "ZED" under the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
I saw a Commercial just now while watching Supernatural for Shampoo with Keratin in it.. I laughed out load and the wife was like what. Told her she would not understand...
Damn now I gotta listen!!!
That is a very mafioso, Wise Guy, The Family way of meting out justice for betrayal. Cold retribution that sends the message that, "I am not someone to be fucked with."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
The thing is, remember back to when they got back from the court house raid with the case file on Bill Roberts. It was either Tanya or Kelly that said with a verbal shiver "ugh, the things he did to those people..." What things? This implies that Roberts did more than just kill them. I think that he was well on his way to experimenting with "live" subjects well before Z-Day, perhaps even more than a year before.
by this rationale, we can only assume each time that this is what datu said. I don't buy the imperfect narrator theory(see below for that). so datu's experience during the attack is different after the attack. perhaps hearing what was said, just translated after the fact. (like that time in high school pre Spanish class when I ate at a place called "el aseo")Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I don't buy the imperfect narrator theory. to think that some aspects of the story we cannot rely on the person telling us the story to accurately tell us what happened is completely infuriating. if kc came forward and said something like "certain scenes are not entirely accurate because x,y, and z...plus Kelly screwed up and put some datu info into one of Riley's entries"...yea, I'd be done here. theres already a cornucopia of information here...so much so that we are LOST as to whats gonna happen next. I get the occasional thing like the angel line when lizzy was being kicked out, and the recent Kelly ad-lib on michaels entry. I can even overlook the fact that scratch has several parts that could not be "journalized" (at least not yet). but the idea that we cannot at least 95% rely on the info in the entries? nope...no sir, no way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
refresh my memory, when have saul or Tanya been in a situation where they would have the chance to hear a smart one/inkling (not including bill)....speak. not being a dick, genuinely asking. I cant think of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcadtek
personally I picture the scene at the end of "Hannibal" with bill feeding the boyfriend parts of his own brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
which brings me back to that.
perhaps he poked around with their inferior frontal cortex, looking for what sort of reaction he could get within the broca's area of the brain. sure, the job was messy...and they all were gonna die anyways. but what if from that he gleamed what the reaction to change that could take place during z day and how to best deal with it(his tattoos)? think of it this way, as a child learning new words and new symbols is a wonderful experience. the human mind as it develops is constantly seeking new imput. children constantly question things(any parents on here are familiar with the word "WHY?") now, imagine all your language skills are completely eradicated...but all this new info starts bombarding you. things you generally had overlooked, everyday symbols, unidentifiable markings, laguages that before you could not understand...now they seem to make sense.
to me, despite the gross-ness of the w/a zombies (ya know, eating people, smelling like poo, etc) I think this would be a crazy awesome experience. sort of like taking a whole slew of people from all the countries of the world and throwing them into one place. letting them figure out how to communicate with each other and learn to live together...hmm...wait, this sounds familiar....
'merica
7id
I guess this gets at what is this medium? When we listen to the events, is KC providing the sound of what happened and where he cannot paint the picture with sound he overlays narration or is KC providing a soundscape from a master journal pieced together from multiple accounts?
I have been in the camp of hardcore journal. Someone observes, comprehends, remembers, records. This section has thrown me for a loop because of the importance and ambiguity of the soundscape. Datu seems to have survived the attack, buried his friends, recorded the events in his journal and then spoken to Michael about the events.
There does appear to be a cognitive component to the outbreak. Maybe the smarter a person is the harder the contagion has to work to rewrite neural pathways. Maybe Datu is stuck in the middle. I think it is critical to remember that Datu has two wounds. A scratch which I think of as a little one attack. The little one is surprisingly killed, because they do not have a gun truck I am sure they thought the humans would be easy pickings. I get the impression that the little one is killed and then Randy bites Datu.
:tinfoil: if the little one was not killed, I do not think it would have let Randy bite Datu.
but did the Little One scratch Datu? i don't remember thinking that happened, just that Randy bit him.
but if that's the case, then did Randy bite Datu to "preserve" him?
which strain of z-stuff is Datu infected with? Little One stuff or Smart One stuff?
the "detective" part of me wants the next chapter to pick up with Puck and crew. i NEED to know what's at Bill Roberts' place!!!
and i think Gnex nailed it as well.
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Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I don't know if I can buy the imperfect narrator either...... I mean if we can't trust KC who can we trust?!?!? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Also, the way I picture the attack is like this.......
1-2 zombies, 1 little one, and Randy...... The little one is shot by the Jay/Datu with the Mata gun, the other zombies are attacking Datu when Randy tells them "Mine" and makes them get away....... I think somewhere in the middle of all that Datu gets scratched up pretty bad, and then bitten by Randy.
I am pretty sure Michael starts to treat scratches on Datu's face, but then says Datu is still bleeding out from somewhere else and finds the bite.
Ink does not seem to be able to upgrade existing biters to inklings. I think Datu was targeted to be a little one and was scratched. With the death of the inkling, Randy infects Datu with the standard biter infection.
Randy might just be a bumbling biter 1.0 and screwing everything up all the time. Alternatively, there is enough of him left inside trying to undermine Ink without making it too obvious.
refresh my memory, when have saul or Tanya been in a situation where they would have the chance to hear a smart one/inkling (not including bill)....speak. not being a dick, genuinely asking. I cant think of one.
I guess your correct on that, But I still dont think there is a zombie language. I was just trying to say that the smart ones can talk. Michael said that guy form water works ( RANDY ) was and Engineer and not only that he said that the guy was really smart. SO he would be a smart ZOMBIE and maybe he could read as well becasue he was carring bag with bottles from radon labs. who knows.
to me, despite the gross-ness of the w/a zombies (ya know, eating people, smelling like poo, etc) I think this would be a crazy awesome experience. sort of like taking a whole slew of people from all the countries of the world and throwing them into one place. letting them figure out how to communicate with each other and learn to live together...hmm...wait, this sounds familiar....
'merica
7id[/QUOTE]
YUP!
Alex,
a legit zombie language? No, I would agree that is not the case. But its in how the sounds made by the biters are interpreted by other biters. That is language...well in this definition it is. How else can we explain the hordes answering to the calls? How can we explain the mobilization to the hospital? The way that last one (hospital)is described seemed to me at least to be very organized. Also consider that from a simple bellow from bill, everyone(biters) knew to head to the hospital. How is that possible without information being conveyed in some way(language)?? Now what if what we are missing with the squeals and bellows is not due to it not being there, but our own abilities being to limited to process it? That to me is crazy awesome.
Definetly see your point and agree. But then again do you think that it is maybe not language necessarily but and Alpha thing, like lions? Just asking what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
To a certain extent yes, but there's far too many variables for me to exclude the above idea. Yes, bill calls...they come. But how is the info of bringing living people to the hospital conveyed (a la, tayna). how is the info of capturing people like datu,via a trap conveyed if the normal biters cannot also process some type of language, if not normal English? There are far to many variables really to write ANY possibility off. But yes, ink calls...they come. That I agree
It might be possible that zombies interpret the calls into their own language, so they know what they mean. But, it could also be similar to how animals are able to converse with each other in the animal world with their own roars/bellows/calls/howls, considering Tanya refers to them as being more animal than human...
Zombie language 101:
Hello: "uuuuuuuuuuuh"
Goodbye: "uuuuuuuuuuuh"
I'm hungry: "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh"
I smell food: "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh"
And so on....
hmm...also sounds like my dating experiencesQuote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Mine too, though there have been a few "uuuuurgh"s in there aswell...Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Nice
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