Its not hate. I love Riley for all her lying traitor ratness.
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Its not hate. I love Riley for all her lying traitor ratness.
Maybe im wrong but....
Kalani was Burt's Right-Hand Man when he was in charge, and that is when they moved the armory. So it would seem that everyone present at the time of the shooting had no idea there was an alarm on the armory like that. My guess is Kalani knew where to cut it, and slipped out right after. He already was alone leaving Michael and Tanya. So he really wasnt with Datu the entire time. I really am shakey on this reasoning but man it makes sense to me. One more thing, Pippin was killed professional style. What I heard was a pro job, 2 to the chest and 1 to the head. Doubt anyone like Kelly would do it with style like that. Just my .02 Love love love the chapter so far, gripping stuff.
There were three shots into Pippin and one in the radio (two shots, a pause and some gurgling, a third shot, Hope begging for the assailant not to shoot, then the radio is shot)Quote:
Originally Posted by cPT.cAPSLOCK
Mordekii and hardkor are right. 4 shots total in the guard room. Presumably 3 at Pippin, and the 4th at the radio.
As for Riley acting like she's a drunk....its not acting. Throughout the series Riley has shown evidence of being an alcoholic or at the very least enjoying getting drunk far more than anyone else. Outside of the party, who else in the Tower has been shown drinking? And aside from a bow and arrow, the "prop" I most associate Riley with is a liquor bottle. She was drunk the night Latch and Scratch appeared at the Tower, she knew she wouldn't want to drink the wine they broke to cover her and Angel's scent in the kitchen during the Arena mission (I realize that could be because she's a chef as well), and now she's drunk again. Riley doesn't get a whole bunch of face time on the show, but a lot of it has involved alcohol.
To be clear, I'm not saying she is. I'm just saying there's evidence she could be. It also might just be the French cultural thing where she drinks because it was acceptable behavior when she was growing up. But...who knows.
Effing Aye Right Mikey! LOL I was hoping that it would have been more conspiratorial le' sighQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall
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Originally Posted by HardKor
Ok I am not crazy someone else thought of this.. *dabs forehead* I was worried I was crazy for thinking this exact same thing.
Btw, the nerd joke that Angel made. Who is Jade/Jane Gerrick/Gerrid? I can't quite make out the exact name, but it's something along those lines.
He's the original Flash from the comics. A couple of people brought that up earlier, but it's buried way in this thread. I have to admit that if you don't get to read the thread everyday, it becomes a huge undertaking to sift through. Had to do that a couple of episodes ago myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
Well, the forums used to email me every time someone posted something new. But for some reason on these big episode discussion threads it often 'forgets' too. I even checked my junk mail, nothing from the We're Alive forums in there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellbringer
Thanks for clearing that up! KC and Angel are both super nerds. Rad.
Back on Topic:
I just re-listened to the episode. Riley doesn't sound like a culprit to me. When she is mentioning the radio she seems genuinely panicked. What did she do before? Wasn't she a chef? Doesn't seem like someone with out any kind of background experience in acting or being an undercover could pull off something so swiftly, yet there is still a lot of evidence that points to her. I should go check out the "Who's the Rat thread", maybe there has been some developments there.
/\hmmm.. Interesting. Who could have those skills..I'm actually asking. Out of the people we know, who seems a good "actor/actress "
It was Burt who brought up trust and I think it was done more in the sense of "someone you trust to cover your back and not try to run off".Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianHD
I think the big problem with Riley as the assailant is Pipin recognized the shooter and there was never really time for her to be in the Maller camp to be recognized.
But who knows, maybe there was some one-off meeting. With Lizzy being held by the Mallers it's possible there's some level of blackmail going on here. You could then reinterpret Riley's little bout of alcoholism as being caused by guilt rather than her crush on Lizzy.
Not convinced on Riley or really any of the choices for that matter. She was an original so there's no way she was planted, and after that I'm not convinced there was a whole lot of alone time where she could be turned by the mallers, even if it was some sort of blackmail situation.
I'm also saying no way on Victor as well. The dude is so new he doesn't even know what the hell is going on.
If it was Kelly, and the theory of Pippen not knowing who the rat is, just knowing there is one, why kill him? If she has become loyal to the tower it would be much easier to some how expose him for what he is (a new attempt at a mole) than to draw massive amounts of heat upon herself by shooting him.
And Louis? We really don't know enough about him to make any real speculations.
I'm leaning towards a darkhorse, don't know who but I'm not super convinced of any of the four main suspects.
I've been thinking about the whole Lewis being a patsy idea, and I'm kinda thinking it may be flawed.
If someone is motivated enough to elaborately get Angel out of the guard room, somehow get hold of the silenced pistol (are we overlooking that this person may have had a silenced pistol all along without letting anyone know?) and, as has been pointed out, murder Pippin quite professionally, what is to say they don't give a flying proverbial about Lewis taking the rap for them? I mean, if I were the shooter and I were trying to protect my identity and go as far as shooting the guy that might point the finger at me, I think I might just let Lewis take the fall in order to have a chance at staying with the tower and not get booted out. He is, after all, just the guy with the over-sized shirts.
Are Michael et al hoping that the shooter is going to go crazy with guilt?
People saying Riley has not motive are missing the point. As far as we are aware, she didn't even know Pippen was at the tower, never mind in the guard room. A quick look at the rota would tell her Steven should be in there. Now she DOES have a motive to kill Steven - Lizzie.
I said this in the other thread (and this would only apply if she's the rat): She goes in there drunk, with a gun, expecting to find Steven, sees Pippen instead and realises he recognises her. She panics and shoots him.
It didn't sound like a panic shooting though. It sounded like it was calculated
Recognizes her from what though? The Riley is the Rat/Shooter theories are based on a whole lot of speculation that has absolutely no basis in anything we've heard in the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkie
I admit that there are a few things going against the Riley theory, but unless I've completely mis-interpreted the "It's you", pretty much every other main character can be ruled out.
I can say one thing for sure, though. All of this speculation is making me so excited to find out who it actually is. :D
If we don't find out on Monday I might actually die...
Cause Of Death: Suspense
I really don't know that we'll find out on Monday. I think it'll be part of the season finale.
I have to agree with you here. This seems like perfect Season 2 finale fuel. I think the suspense will keep mounting up and the finale will be a life and death situation where the rat is revealed, and it's unclear if they can be trusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaria
Just for reference, we still haven't revisited the arena since the explosion...
At this point I still think the possibility of Riley being the assassin is slim (at least in my opinion). I can find a motive as to why she would do it, and as kafu288 said it seemed to be a calculated act. Not to mention that whoever the assassin was also shot the radio, unless that was an attempt to throw off who had actually assassinated Pippin in the first place.
Also Riley was an original of the tower, as bob had mentioned before, and associating herself with the Mallers would put the tower in jeopardy, something that she wouldn't want to happen since it would compromise her safety as well the others in the Tower (and if we are going the Riley-Is-A-Lesbian angle, then Lizzie's safety as well).
Motive wise, I can't see Riley deliberately killing Pippin and shooting the radio. I also have a hard time believing that it was a drunkin' killing either since it would have taken Riley more than the three shots the assassin used to take out Pippin and the radio.
thats a good point the radio is a somewhat small target for an intoxicated person to hit, an englishman however...?. thers just so many different angles to sift through its quite maddening
A person is easier to hit than a radio, but three shots for both? UNLESS Riley wasn't intoxicated at all and was only pretending to be (although I seriously doubt that she was faking it, since she was really broken up about Lizzie being kicked out).Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
But yeah there are plenty of different angles 70DDISDEAD, but we'll have to wait until the next episode. =D
waiting....what is this...waiting you speak of....:)
Mmmmm, that's what I fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaria
Although admittedly that would be a pretty awesome finale.
On another point, the fact that Riley was there from the start doesn't mean she can't be the rat. We don't know how the rat came to be, so it's possible that she was bribed or blackmailed upon some contact with the mallers long after the first episode.
a point arthur just brouht up over on the folllow the silencer thread id like to expand a bit on. would riley have still been drunk? michael made a point to state that the incident happened around noon. for one, we rarely get specific times told to us. for two, that would mean the entire night and morning has passed since her episode one the roof..so unless she started again early........Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
Sounds like that would probably be the case. But who knows, maybe she's lying? I still doubt it, but until it is proven it is or isn't her, the jury is still out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
I have a hunch it is Angel. I would have to go back and listen to the past couple of episodes to provide adequate evidence, but I just know in my gut that it must be Angel. He knows Scratch, though he won't admit it. He knows how to hot wire cars. He was the last one to see Pippen alive. How ironic would it be that ANGEL was the rat and the murderer? I know KC has an excellent sense of irony. Just saying...
I have no clue who the shooter is, but I do think Angel is my best pick for rat. He was so quick to say, "the same one from before" that it almost sounds like he's deflecting attention from himself more than anything. He could have been bitter for not being picked to lead the tower and had a change of heart after the MRE incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by clparson
See, the thing about Angel is he's shady. Not just the Scratch stuff, but this stuff about Cindy, too. I don't think Cindy was his girlfriend. Why would you lie to Datu and be like, no I have no reason to know you, if you were dating a girl in the building, unless you weren't really dating her and were just stalking her. She was in that other guy's apartment and Datu sounded like that was to be expected. Seems more reasonable that ANGEL IS A LIAR. HE LIES. WITH NO BOUNDARIES. AND IS A RAT.
but not a shooter.
idk, the shooter could be something even farther off in left field like Scratch. Did they check the building up and down? How do we know the Mallers/Liz aren't in the area already. The arena blew up, what, a day or two ago in WA time?
just saying.
:)
See, the thing about Angel is he's shady. Not just the Scratch stuff, but this stuff about Cindy, too. I don't think Cindy was his girlfriend. Why would you lie to Datu and be like, no I have no reason to know you, if you were dating a girl in the building, unless you weren't really dating her and were just stalking her. She was in that other guy's apartment and Datu sounded like that was to be expected. Seems more reasonable that ANGEL IS A LIAR. HE LIES. WITH NO BOUNDARIES. AND IS
just saying.
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About this: it did seem kinda shady, could it be that angel was a boyfriend " on the side" like datu "shouldn't" have ever seen him....
Sure. Or he is a creeper.
Ps. Great episode, as always.
Except he couldn't have cut the alarm wire.Quote:
Originally Posted by clparson
Couldn't the wire have been cut for a while? When Michael was yelling at Angel to turn the alarm off, he said he couldn't because it was wired into the guard room. That means there is obviously an on/off switch in the guard room. The switch could have been flipped off and the wire cut while Angel was on guard duty at some point. Then, to make the alarm go off, he just had to be sneaky and flip the switch on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
I liked this episode but i think that we arent going to find out the rat till the end of this season
Jesus... who has the cliffs for this 20 page clusterfuck?
Osiris,
The Butler did it...
Sweet. All caught up now.