Like old school peer to peer or rather modem to modem connection. Yeah, I like that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
But I bet someone has answered this by the time I catch up with reading all the pages...
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Like old school peer to peer or rather modem to modem connection. Yeah, I like that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
But I bet someone has answered this by the time I catch up with reading all the pages...
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Originally Posted by Kc
I didn't want to think of a microwave link system... the logistics and maintenance of that kind of network, especially with Glenn gone... man, I need to find a TM and do some PMCS now.
Michael will have to give himself a battlefield commission and have Saul type up the proper requisition forms and award nominations for that to happen. Burt can be in charge of the medal ceremony since devil dogs are pretty good with parades and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage PatchPuck should get his Purple Heart. Normally military commanders at the brigade or wing level (full colonels) can authorize awarding the medal. Michael, as the senior member of the US Military still alive, should be able to do so.
He should award the Purple Heart to Puck, to Carl and Robbins and Muldoon, as well as to Saul, and to himself. I would also give one to Burt. and consider doing so for Riley (remember that she became a soldier at Fort Irwin, though I don't know if she's been wounded since then).
I'm going to start by laying out some assumptions:Quote:
Originally Posted by LitmasterThe Prison Assault
...what kind of strategy might be used to assault such a place??[/COLOR][/U] CABBAGE PATCH!!!
1. Any assault on the jail will be intended to destroy it and its inhabitants. Not to secure the complex, nor to rescue anyone inside.
2. This place is designed to keep people in. There are a limited number of access points and the rest of the complex is heavily reinforced.
3. The defenders seem to be based inside the complex; there was no indication of guards or defenders outside of the building.
With the resources available to the Colony right now what I'd propose is a good-old-fashioned truck bombing. Find a couple of semis. Build big-ass fertilizer bombs in them. Park them along the outside walls of the towers, nowhere near the doors. Detonate by remote control. Then sweep the area using the helicopter packing the minigun to kill whatever crawls out of the rubble.
The only difference is that putting one's life on the line for the greater good is in the job description of a Soldier. Not so much for support staff civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
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Originally Posted by Merlin1274
I suggest Michael goes on a field trip to Pantex. It's the only way to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
My question is, what new horrific forms will we find now that Ink's secondary hideout has been located?Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
Yes. NUKE IT. NUKE IT TO GLASS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
I won't pussy foot around with coy movie quotes for my tactical approach any more. They have what? 60-90 personnel, of which 95% are civilian. Even if they were all military... even if they were all spec ops, it would still be a massacre. It's time that Michael got that satphone charged up, opened up that directory he stole, started making calls to those 182 personnel that were in the field and figure out some serious transportation. Pantex has B-83's which are of the "Dial-a-yield" variety of warhead... there are just too many zombies and too few humans to risk a "conventional" approach. That jail needs to be turned into a crater.
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At this point in the story, were I Michael's second, I'd be in danger of being relieved. I also recognize that my approach is nearing that of the Generals you see in the beginning of many outbreak stories that start to bomb cities in futile attempts to contain the outbreak.
Oh God, is that the Wonga dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by LitmasterWell, if the next episode is indeed going to be primarily a Puck-narrated flashback of what went down at the prison, then at least we'll get one more round of Robbins-Muldoon banter... at least until they are dismember by Sasquatch. That itself is worthy of a FAT GUY SALUTE!
And another thing... Burt's mailing list. It seems obvious now, having heard it. I'm stunned that this hadn't been thought of before. OF COURSE. A gun shop owner would have files on all his customers... bills of sale, background check forms, photocopies of drivers licenses. Top that off with a mailing list and that's a veritable shopping list of who owns what guns in the area and probably ammo for them too.
No, no, I don't believe Vic liked "found", but memory could serve me wrong. There IS one more question though. Will Victor resurrect his dead wife and unleash her hellish fury on Ink and minions?Quote:
Originally Posted by billions
Nah... Just load up the matagun and hand it to him. With Vic's awesomeness, and Datu's ingenuity, he can bring down the Mallers and Ink & Co!Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Sniper
I don't think Kc will make it come off that easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by REZombie
Oh.
The zomboids aren't attracted to the smell of Saul's sweat. Supposing that Skittles might have been a super slow turner and that's why they ignored him, that might mean Tanya, Saul and Datu are sort of invisible to the zoids as well.
Please tell me that Datu and/or anyone else isn't/aren't going to sacrifice themselves by walking into the prison and leaving a trail for someone to find Ink by.
well, a lot of the major stuff has been covered. but theres a few subjects I think we could touch on. this episode was really, really strong. I think what got me about it is the dynamics of the action going on. actually, that's probably the word I would use to describe this episode; dynamic.
burt
it was nice to hear a bit more from burt in this one. I actually like his explanation of what he and riley have been doing all this time. for the longest time I have thought of burt as a roland deschain type character. I think burts mindset on whats going on just re-iterates that fact. burt and sauls talk really speaks to how close those two are. really kinda touching, to me at least.
austin
im not sure how many of you share this opinion, but im incredibly happy to know that "arrowhead" was Austin mckibbon. for one, it gives us the answer to who he was. for another everyone remember the end of season three? everyone remember just how angonized arrowhead sounded as burt "disarmed" him. at the time everyone was happy(on the show) to see him finally taken down. personally I almost found the scene hard to listen to.
now, think back on that scene, and know that that creature was once a man. a man named Austin mckibbon. a man who perhaps made some mistakes in life (one major one, to end up on trial). but a man none the less. putting a name to that creature really makes thinking back on last years finale difficult.
bill
jeez, just when I start to think I want to defend this fucker....I have my unicorn of a theory already in place, but I have to wonder how much of this absolute "mad-scientistry" was in place beforehand. by that I mean, how much of this sadistic behavior was present beforehand, and how much was this a latant behavioral trait that perhaps never manifested in his personality? personally, I think he (and others like him around the world) started all this..but everytime I think I can confirm this belief..Kc throws that theory a curveball. "hairy behemoths" really? neither keratin 18 nor follistatin would be a direct cause of this. im with groggy on the androgen being a root cause for that. anyone in a jail "typically" would already have high levels of testosterone, hence their aggressive behavior and bad decisions that got them there in the first place.
robbins,muldoon,carl
soooooo, hardly anything was said about there death. odd...that is all.
Kelly and lizzie
I jokingly said in the chatbox that we are gonna get some "girl talk" from them...thus weirding us dudes out.
I can hear it now..
saul walks into room.
Kelly; "yea, victor has this tattoo, on his stomach that says.."
lizzie; "oh, hi saul!"
saul; "jeez, I don't even wanna know what you two are talking about."
bob newhart
I knowthe "its all a dream, thing"is not whats going on. (hopefully) but dammit, too many things have lined up in this story to not at least put the thought in the back of my mind. the "twin towers" facility is just another example of coincidences in the story adding up to things that make the creative mind bubble over with the strange ways this story could go. its nothing major, just viewing the story with a particular mindset. the only other thing would be if bill, designed this entire thing all the way down to the details of having two people like Michael and cj in place before all this went down. then setting all this up..but that ventures into :tinfoil:...and that's against my religion.
going forward
kodi. send kodi into the jail. period. I don't remember exactly, but if kodi has a video feed..it would be really fucked up if they send kodi in for a big "boom" and they get vid of say, robbins, still alive in the jail. what would they do in that situation>???
todd-0
You don't know he's dead. He's just hiding, waiting for his time to surprise us all with him being alive still....Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
I just want to note that Kelly and Lizzie are alone in Dunbar with Burts guns and ammo. And this has been said over the radio where other people can hear it.
Possibly a zombie soldier (that died in the prison) could try to get in, or more likely one of Scratches crew, who would now be more armed.
Whatever happens I believe this is an important situation.
Another thing is maybe the Behemoths and numbered ones aren't undead. Just wild mutations created by Ink. So the person inside is still alive, which Datu does not want to become.
There are a absence of pregnancies becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by billions
1. It isn't wise to get pregnant in a zombie apocalypse
2. The only other couple is Pegs and Michael, and I don't think they're at a point to even be sleeping together, never mind getting pregnant. Besides, do you see Michael as a father figure?
Also, i believe they didn't drink from the well because there wasn't enough *to* drink
@GOOER and Litmaster
I don't know this for a fact. just a guess.
the main characters, if you go back and listen have their names listed for all chapter "parts" even if they only appear in one. support characters (max, or RANDY for example) have their names in the credits only for the parts they have speaking roles in. why? that I haven't the foggiest on. just something ive observed over the years on the show. I think it happened with jenna once, her name was on the credits for parts one and two, and she only had a few lines at the end of part three. none in one or two (I could be mistaken there, beer is good) KC! CLEAR THIS UP, please?
Yea, during the last couple of seasons they changed it from all the characters to only ones appearing in the chapter/episode. Cast list got too big. But what are you getting at with this.....? Or is it just an observation?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
observation as to why tony rey appeared in the credits for this one, yet had no role in it
Outstanding analysis with 1 flaw, 1 major flaw: if there are so many zombies in this building, how would they survive for an extended period of time without prey within their reach? So I think it is quite likely that there are only few zombies in this thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LitmasterThe Prison Assault
Ironic how both towers fell and now the story seems to be gearing up for a final assault on "The Twin Towers" to root out Ink once and for all. Where we started with Season 1 and the defending of a tower, we end with Season 4 and the assault of a tower. It's interesting if you Google map that shit and hit Satellite View, you can actually zoom in and see the real loading dock where this episode partially took place:
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-...&ved=0CLcBEPwS
Okay, but there are a bunch of problems with this prison assault idea:
A. The Prison Itself: Shit, have you seen pictures of this place? Seriously? The place is 1.5 million square feet of Zombie Horrorshow! Check it out:
Here's the original legend from a 2/1/12 L.A. Magazine article:
1. The 8th Floor
Unlike state prisons, county jails are run by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department, with deputies serving as guards. All told, about 120 sheriffs are on duty at one time. The top of Tower 1 is the executive floor, where the unit commanders and chiefs have their offices. AKA HELICOPTER LANDING PAD, BITCH!
2. The 7th Floor
Convicts in L.A. with mental health needs are sent to the Twin Towers, where about 39 percent of the inmates, including the few women housed here, suffer from mental disorders. The most extreme cases are held on this floor. AKA INKY'S LAIR!
3. Inmate Reception Center
Arrestees spend their first 10 to 24 hours at the IRC. The average sentence used to be about 40 days, but with a new policy that sends nonviolent criminals to county jails instead of state prisons, some inmates face stretches of up to ten years. WHICH IS NOW BOOBY TRAPPED LIKE A MOFO, YO!
4. Tower 2
This tower is one story shorter than its twin. Due to budget cuts that eliminated 300 sheriff positions, Tower 2 has closed several floors and now contains about 670 inmates compared with approximately 2,230 in Tower 1. HOLY SHIT! THAT'S AROUND 3,000 MUTATED ZEDS TO 60-ODD COLONISTS!!! CAN YOU SAY, "NO-WIN SCENARIO??!?"
5. The Core
Every detention floor in the towers features a transparent control booth at its center surrounded by six pods—dormitory-like housing units that each hold 60 to 70 inmates. This design allows the deputy manning the booth to observe three pods at a time. OR ONE ZED TO TAKE OUT A DOZEN COLONISTS BY HIMSELF!
6. The Basement
Beneath Tower 1 is the kitchen, where a mix of civilian and inmate employees prepare more than 9,000 meals a day for the inmates and 750 for the staff. WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN TURNED INTO A DEPOSITORY FOR HUNDREDS OF CORPSES, WHICH HAVE DISSOLVED INTO A HUGE, MUTATED MEATBALL BY NOW
7. Bauchet Street
When their sentence is completed, convicts are released onto Bauchet Street, where there is a bank of pay phones they can use to arrange transportation. OR FOR THE COLONISTS TO CALL THEIR MOMMY, ONCE THEY GET THEIR ASS KICKED!
8. The Windows
The tall, narrow openings on the exterior of the jail are designed to maximize sunlight without allowing a person to exit or a significant amount of contraband to enter. LIKEWISE WITH EXPLOSIVES, ESSENTIALLY MAKING THEM MODERN-DAY ARROW SLITS, AND THE PRISON ITSELF A ZOMBIFIED CASTLE FORTRESS. OUR BOYS ARE FUCKED!
B. Personnel: They don't have the manpower to assault a place of this size and hope to overcome it.
C. Resources: Last I checked, C.J. didn't have a dozen tanker trucks stashed somewhere, so expecting them to do a truck bombing mission like the Mallers ain't gonna happen. Sure, they still have the Pelican chopper, but only one pilot left (Pegs...ugh, I guess that means the bitch gotta come back into the story; was so enjoying her absence, but I digress) and an M134 with limited ammo that ain't gonna do shit to blast through thick concrete walls. And it's gonna take a hell of a lot more than a few of Tardust's old pipe bombs to blow that place apart.
D. Strategy: So even IF they all agreed with Michael that they need to take care of Ink once and for all, how the hell are you gonna get him? That place could be booby trapped to the gills, with a hairy monster lurking around every corner. Any of you Army guys have an inkling (ha!) of what kind of strategy might be used to assault such a place?? CABBAGE PATCH!!!
E. Resolve: And there is still the political battle of getting the rest of the Colony on board that they should all be trying to assault the jail in the first place. I can see a whole lot of them just either wanting to ignore it or packing up and heading off to greener pastures elsewhere... regardless, it should be an interesting ending.
Best wishes!
Liam
The most important two questions you have missed:Quote:
Originally Posted by billions
"Why is there no appearance of Lady anymore?
Where is Mr Whiskers?"
Certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Moira. You must have missed that one ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
What about KODI and a decent amount of C4, if there is any available?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
And how many fertilizer-trucks would be required to deliver enough trouble to this building?
Although I would not want to have another time in which Saul becomes a deranged socio forgetting about everyone else and putting anyone into deep trouble like the last time in order to get his girl (and boy) back, I, too, see such a thing happening. And I wouldn't regret such a development either.Quote:
Originally Posted by REZombie
They are not in a position to spare the diesel fuel for the fertilizer bomb. I am sure there is enough in the greater LA area, but they would have to bump up the priority to find and retrieve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Apparently, McVeigh used less than 50 gallons of diesel fuel in the Oklahoma City bombing. He made about a 7000lb payload in delivery van that "destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a 16-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings, causing at least an estimated $652 million worth of damage." (from wikipedia).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Not sure how much C4 it would take to come close to that but I'm betting the Colony doesn't have it. AN, diesel fuel, primer/blasting caps, some catalyzing agent. i bet they could come up with that....
And then there's always Redshirt's Pantex call.....
Wow! I thought he had Multiple 55 gallon drums. Thanks for the correction.
Ok, first thing I'll say in this comment about the episode is that I was dead wrong on the inhabitants of the jail. No Mallers to be found! Crow pie for me.....
I'm being drawn more and more into the idea that Ink knew something was coming. And not just a vague something, he was positioning himself to be in a very advantageous position for it. Think about it....
Roberts finds out that a TEOTWAWKI event is coming. He also has knowledge (vague or specific) about what happens to people in this event. His knowledge and work at Raydon gives him a special opportunity to personally take advantage.
Knowing that this is all gonna happen, a few things begin to come together in his plans. He now has an opportunity to exact revenge on his cheating wife and her lover because, Hey! ink's gonna be in charge of LA in a little while so, what the hell, let's have some murderous fun. Oh, of course I'll be sent caught and arrested. But I'll be put into he jail. A place with a lot of test subjects and some accomplices perhaps. Ink knows he can tie up the trial process for a long time with the psych stuff too.
Ink's all set up with his super juice right before everything goes down and all he needs is to get one little bite and he becomes the BAMF he was always destined to be!
Ok, not really directly about this episode but confirmation of the jail as one of Ink's playgrounds got those thoughts churning in my brain.....
Puck's alive.... for now at least. Lots of trauma but nothing life threatening that Tanya can tell. Of course, slow brain bleeding might not be something she can pick up on at the moment since she can't so a CAT scan or something similar. All the talk about not going to sleep (common for concussions) may be just reason to have Puck alert with everyone right now instead of zonked out. Or it may foreshadow something else. Having Puck die in his sleep would be an interesting story point....
Also, here is yet another point of close contact with zombies followed by sleep/string desire to sleep (Hey Grognaurd!)
We gotta hold on until at least the last part of the chapter to get the story from Puck and descriptions of the pics. I'm almost dreading what we are going to hear. I hope it's done in flashback form so we can hear Robbins, Muldoon, Puck, and even Carl al together one more time. At the same time, hearing those boys die will hurt....
The Twin Towers - every time I hear that term I think World Trade Center - appears to be unassailable by our crew. Even with all the soldiers, the close quarters aspect of it plus the enemy they would be facing in that environment would make it impossible in my opinion. Also, as was pointed out, what's the point of attempting to enter the jail? Info about Ink? Taking down Ink? General human angst?
Anyway, unless something in Puck's story points to a reason to go in there, I'd lean towards leaving it alone, fertilizer bombing the place, or turning into a glass crater with stuff from Pantex. The curve thrown into all of this is what 7oddisdead pointed to above - we are starting to see the people "inside" the creatures. Getting a name and some story about Arrowhead. Randy's entire character. Datu perhaps becoming one of them. Saul and Tanya. So producing a big boom in the jail might also be killing a lot of "innocents".
I'm coming back time and again to the "A Story of Survival" subtitle for the show. I keep wondering "whose survival?" Team Human only? Team Zombie? Ink? Scratch? Everyone?
Oh well, nothing to do but hold on for another week......
He had multiple 55 gallon drums of mixture (about 15 - 17 in total). Most of the volume was AN fertilizer and catalyst. Only a few gallons of diesel fuel per drum. A few of the items he used were harder to come by than the AN and the diesel but not out of the realm of possibility for the WA characters. Esp with Burt's resources and mailing list....Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
i see this 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
the only way to be sure is total destruction.
Michael/Pegs/others take the chopper to Pantex (or wherever to find a 'nuke').
Lizzy goes into labor... Saul is 'conveniently' not there.
Victor/Kelly have a spat and hook up.
Tanya joins Shaun T and does some workout videos.
Data get's pulled away from the pump and is tasked to build a SUPER-Mata Gun.
Victor ends up finishing the windmill/pump.
meanwhile... Scratch FINALLY puts out her DJ Scratch album titled "World War: Dee Zee Dee" and the cassette tape dubbing goes 'viral' with everyone in the Colony recording over old Ghostbusters Soundtrack tapes and various Cranberries albums.
Oh shit yea, just listened to it again. Maybe he will be heard in the next episode...?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I tried to bring it up, but unless the deaths was cause by CJ no one will talk about it. :-( Saint Micheal is always blameless. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Hi Cabbage Patch, could you just blow the limited entrances and just have them finish themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
To assault the jail.. There are other military installations with in driving distance. I am sure Michael knows a good many cool military toys that could destroy that whole area with a vengeance.
Last thing.. Still bugs me today.. What about the Aircraft Carriers out to sea? All the other support ships. Subs that were deployed. All those soldiers should still be out there. He should be able to get on a frequency to call those mothers in for support. Or did they start taking refuges and people on the ships turned and wiped them out. Still a lot of info and story to be told after LA story is done. KC come on man. a couple novels would be nice to add to this once the podcast is over.
Everyone keeps mentioning the fact that Lizzy and Kelly are alone at the Tower....... freaking out because it is just 2 people alone.
But lets not forget that Michael also left Victor, Max, and Datu alone together.........
Now, We all know that 1 Victor is basically equall to like 10 other mortal men.......... But Max is basically a Trainee right??? and Datu is still fighting off his infection!
Our group is getting pretty split up at this point in time! :squint:
Michael - "Hey!!! You got something to say to me?!?!!"
CJ - "I don't think now is the best time...."
Michael - "Good.... Cause I haven't got to punch someone in a long time, and you are primed and ready!!"
That's how I hear that scene!!!
I still have some concern regarding Puck. He repeatedly says he is not bit. Now, everything might be fine, but Amy was not bit either. She was scratched. The little ones seem to give themselves self inflicted wounds to get small amounts of blood underneath their nails which they use to scratch and spread the infection.
Yes, and it would require smaller bombs. My concern is that these are the most likely spots that Ink's crew would be watching and able to respond, so you might have to fight your way out. Plus it would need to be a larger operation, because you'd have to place at least five vehicles to cover every entrance, and you'd need to provide an over watch force to protect the drivers as they withdraw.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
By using my approach you place the bombs in places Ink is less likely to be watching and out of reach of any response force he might have near the entrances. You need two semis, and a gun truck to escort them in and retrieve the semi drivers.
It seem the bigger ones can't pass along the infection. They mostly physical harm others. Beside the the behemoth, is there any other bodies seen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I don't think(at least from what we heard this episode, Puck retelling may change this) that he was bit or scratched...... To me it sounds like they were Ambushed and the Hairy Behemoth charged and flipped the Gun Truck...... During this Puck's leg(or leg's) was broken and somehow during the battle/fight that happened afterwards, Puck drug himself to a somewhat secure location while everyone else was busy shooting zombies and getting killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
