Chapter 19 - 1 The Catalyst

@Kj
I considered that an option as well. For now the Tower doesn't have any idea that there's something wrong. Hopefully Angel's instincts will kick in and he'll lead a team to search for them. Maybe even find the clues in the house where they stayed. They left in a rush afterall.

@KC
I gave this part another listen. I like the music and ambience. Sound effects were very well done. I clapped like an idiot at the shovel part.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Here's another fun thought about this episode: Think of how much Pegs has grown up since she first arrived. If she had gone on this mission before this maturation she's gone through she would have immediately spilled the beans about the Tower thinking she was being helpful. She acted very strong in the face of adversity when people asked her questions about where she came from. Both she and Kelly (apparently) sidestepped and gave vague answers to protect their home. That's a great development in what she's learned from Michael since the beginning of the outbreak.

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Trauma changes people.

One thing I did like about Marcus was that he told Michael something about his leadership. I wish one of the others had said that to him a long time ago. Maybe this experience at the Colony will change him too.

I liked the new episode It gave me a lot of ideas. I'm gonna think them over before I post them though, I was also wondering if Michael was asleep for four days then thats more than enough time for Kalani and Angel to get back to the tower.

I need some time to think...

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Originally Posted by Zombiehead

@Kj
I considered that an option as well. For now the Tower doesn't have any idea that there's something wrong. Hopefully Angel's instincts will kick in and he'll lead a team to search for them. Maybe even find the clues in the house where they stayed. They left in a rush afterall.

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This could be the way ra1th's deepest dream comes true. Burt is not going to approve a search and rescue mission at all. No way, no how. But if Angel seizes control, he might do it....unless he remembers his military training and thinks of the big picture.

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Trauma changes people.

One thing I did like about Marcus was that he told Michael something about his leadership. I wish one of the others had said that to him a long time ago. Maybe this experience at the Colony will change him too.

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Trauma does change people, I'm just glad to see Pegs starting to show that survivor mentality now. She's shooting when she has to shoot, and she's protecting people by not giving out information readily.

How sad that it takes Marcus to instill Michael's confidence in himself. Michael is a natural leader.

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

I liked the new episode It gave me a lot of ideas. I'm gonna think them over before I post them though, I was also wondering if Michael was asleep for four days then thats more than enough time for Kalani and Angel to get back to the tower.

I need some time to think...

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4 days is more than enough time for Angel and Kalani to make it back. They made it to the Refueling Station and the army base in one day. You'd think they'd be back unless something happened on the way back, or if Kc is taking liberties with the timing of things between The Colony and the Tower plot lines. Though as of now it seems like they are both coexisting time wise.

just stating the obvious that Marcus is such a liar.He never served in the army. During his convo with Michael i am sure his answers were taken from sean's background thats why he didnt know what M.O.S. meant when michael asked him.

Also not sure if this was mentioned but do you think that whole entire incident with pegs and the shovel was marcus's way to get michael to accept the job?

another thing, victor is so the key guy for michael's escape.

i like the colony story arch so far but seriously we need an update about the tower and SAUL!!!!!

Unless that tazer belonged to Pegs originally and I've misread Marcus completely then I think that is just how people are kept in line in these parts.
(Notice how the guardians responded to the call quickly and how everyone seemed to have a "role")

Very nice ideas all around, but I think having all this time between episodes is leading us into some of these judgments too quickly.

For example:
What if Marcus has never left since establishing home base?
What if the signs are actually there without his knowing? (Came from the other direction? Weren't up when he came in? Sean installed them without a word and was demoted for that?)

No one seems to want to talk about those signs let alone anything Colony.
Here is our antithesis to The Tower..

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Originally Posted by Dtran

Also not sure if this was mentioned but do you think that whole entire incident with pegs and the shovel was marcus's way to get michael to accept the job?

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Nah, I don't think so. She got tazed because she was talking with Michael instead of working. Michael then had to say he was filling the position, or else the guardians would royally kick his ass. Also, it gave him the power to protect Pegs and Kelly better, and some other privileges he can abuse to get them out of there.

Listened to the episode Monday. It was a great one, When Michael hit that guy with the shovel I was like hell yeah. But I agree with the others I would like to hear an update on Saul and the tower.

As an aside, some were wondering what Hope spilled all over Marcus. One person speculated that it might be blood, but on a second listen, I think it was urine and possible poop. Tanya had just asked Hope to go and change somebody's bedpan. This would also account for Hope's extreme embarrassment and for Marcus' freak-out.

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Originally Posted by RamblinMike

As an aside, some were wondering what Hope spilled all over Marcus. One person speculated that it might be blood, but on a second listen, I think it was urine and possible poop. Tanya had just asked Hope to go and change somebody's bedpan. This would also account for Hope's extreme embarrassment and for Marcus' freak-out.

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I assumed it was piss as well. Serves him right.

Ok i'm gonna put one of my thoughts out there,

if Michael Pegs and Kelly do escape then what will the colony do? I've thought this over and Marcus doesn't seem to be a good leader so this means that if/when they do escape I think they're gonna be followed and the tower is gonna have more problems than just the mallers and the zombies.

This also means that mallers would become aware of the colony although I doubt they would want to go up against something so big, but then again, the colony doesn't have many guns, and the ones they do have are locked up.

This also brings up an idea of mine that there could be espionage. Look how easily M/P/K were picked up and how easily they got in. If some mallers did want to sabotage the colony it wouldn't be that hard.

Alright, I'm done rambling.

Since I'm becoming antsy over this last chapter I went skimming through old parts looking for facts and references that pertain to what's currently happening. I relistened to Chapter 3 where Michael laid out the Rules and Regulations. If you think about it and do a little comparing from what information was given about the Colony, Michael's rules aren't too far off of what's going on. Everyone has to pull their weight, there's division heads and crews, but everything is done on a much larger scale to keep things thriving. The only known (and obvious) difference is that people can't leave, they are judged by their usefulness, and it's being run like a sweat shop. If this Shaun guy was the "fair" one then is Marcus playing the "bad" guy to keep people in line? Perhaps Marcus knows this and needs someone like Michael to maintain order. Ugh! I need to know what's in Pegs journal and have another conversation with this Marcus fellow.

Howdy all,

I think the job assignments are luck of the draw.. or unluck. Pegs could have very well ended up doing laundry instead of Kelly. I think the weed pulling job just happens to be so mission crucial that EVERYONE has to work. There can be no perception of slacking.. or taking a break when it isn't break time.

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Originally Posted by Britt

I assumed it was piss as well. Serves him right.

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Had to be pee. If it was....other things that might be in a bedpan, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have had to ask if it was what he thought it was...he'd probably just know...and he'd probably have just broken Hope's neck out of anger (joking)

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Originally Posted by RamblinMike

As an aside, some were wondering what Hope spilled all over Marcus. One person speculated that it might be blood, but on a second listen, I think it was urine and possible poop. Tanya had just asked Hope to go and change somebody's bedpan. This would also account for Hope's extreme embarrassment and for Marcus' freak-out.

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i guess that kinda makes sense why he freaked out over it, i thought tanya had made hope go make coffee, and then she spilled coffee on him,

accidents happen and alll but i suppose if i had that happen to me, i'd flip too (it kinda makes the character less of a douche now, just cause i assumed he was mad because of coffee)

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Howdy all,

I think the job assignments are luck of the draw.. or unluck. Pegs could have very well ended up doing laundry instead of Kelly. I think the weed pulling job just happens to be so mission crucial that EVERYONE has to work. There can be no perception of slacking.. or taking a break when it isn't break time.

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pegs may have specifically asked for a job working in the field and they prly let her because of her background in botany, kelly... lawyers are kinda useless

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Originally Posted by Kc

For the record, it's Sean.

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That clears some things up.

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Originally Posted by Zombiehead

Since I'm becoming antsy over this last chapter I went skimming through old parts looking for facts and references that pertain to what's currently happening. I relistened to Chapter 3 where Michael laid out the Rules and Regulations. If you think about it and do a little comparing from what information was given about the Colony, Michael's rules aren't too far off of what's going on. Everyone has to pull their weight, there's division heads and crews, but everything is done on a much larger scale to keep things thriving. The only known (and obvious) difference is that people can't leave, they are judged by their usefulness, and it's being run like a sweat shop. If this Shaun guy was the "fair" one then is Marcus playing the "bad" guy to keep people in line? Perhaps Marcus knows this and needs someone like Michael to maintain order. Ugh! I need to know what's in Pegs journal and have another conversation with this Marcus fellow.

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Agreed. What's the difference between Michael's rules and him saying no one is leaving? The line in my mind seems to be in respect of the individual. Sure you have to work but Michael & Co never threatened to hurt someone if they didn't. He did show Kelly the door but that's about it as far as we know. Still seems like a clear right/wrong line was crossed by the Tazer-gate. It’s just hard to articulate why Michael’s rules are ok but Marcus’ rules are not.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

pegs may have specifically asked for a job working in the field and they prly let her because of her background in botany, kelly... lawyers are kinda useless

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That's what I thought as well. It seems like something she would have jumped to do. But now thinking about it, didn't she say they told her what to do?

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Had to be pee. If it was....other things that might be in a bedpan, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have had to ask if it was what he thought it was...he'd probably just know...and he'd probably have just broken Hope's neck out of anger (joking)

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LOL .... Yeah, I had a mental picture of a pressed suit, clean shaven guy who had a big pee stain on his Colonel Sanders style white jacket. :D

Bixby.

I don't think he's a bad guy. He was just doing his job. And then Michael has to go and hit him w/ a shovel? Comon, man... that's not right. (tho it was cool). You could even hear it after he did it, he sounded like he didn't like doing it. Kept stating, "i'm, within my rights..." which i translated to say, "comon man, i'm just doing my job. if i don't, imma get the tazer myself." And he gave her multiple chances to get back to work.

And comon, who didn't laugh a little bit when he hit her w/ the tazer. You know you did. Don't lie.

Anyone with me?

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Originally Posted by Hollomandious

Bixby.

I don't think he's a bad guy. He was just doing his job. And then Michael has to go and hit him w/ a shovel? Comon, man... that's not right. (tho it was cool). You could even hear it after he did it, he sounded like he didn't like doing it. Kept stating, "i'm, within my rights..." which i translated to say, "comon man, i'm just doing my job. if i don't, imma get the tazer myself." And he gave her multiple chances to get back to work.

And comon, who didn't laugh a little bit when he hit her w/ the tazer. You know you did. Don't lie.

Anyone with me?

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I'm not a violent man, but if you hit my lady with a tazer, you better hope a shovel is the only thing I can get a hold of. :mad:

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Originally Posted by They call me Revolver

I'm not a violent man, but if you hit my lady with a tazer, you better hope a shovel is the only thing I can get a hold of. :mad:

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hahahahha i second that!

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Originally Posted by Hollomandious

Bixby.

And comon, who didn't laugh a little bit when he hit her w/ the tazer. You know you did. Don't lie.

Anyone with me?

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I laughed! :D

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Originally Posted by Chelsea Childress

I laughed! :D

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I did too, mainly because I knew Mr. Bixby was about to get his ass kicked by the one armed man. ;)

Adogg,

Scare people do stupid things. Mad people make bad choices. Kelly learned that when she thought she could just dip from the Tower. Fear will also keep you compliant. Sharing a leader's vision will also keep you compliant.
As far as the SIGNS go:
The were there when there were mass evacuations. The Doc didn't even remember them being there, so i'm betting most of the people that are there have been there since almost the start. The 1st tower people were the last to arrive before Mike and crew arrived.
Marcus wasn't part of the evacuationt team, he was a cat who just got left behind when the choppers stopped coming back.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Marcus didn't have a clue what an "MOS" was. He's most def lying about being Army.

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For sure!!

dam alot of tips even tho i wasn't sure marcus was in the military but you never know i mean why give the truth when you can give a lie.

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Originally Posted by Hollomandious

Bixby.

I don't think he's a bad guy. He was just doing his job. And then Michael has to go and hit him w/ a shovel? Comon, man... that's not right. (tho it was cool). You could even hear it after he did it, he sounded like he didn't like doing it. Kept stating, "i'm, within my rights..." which i translated to say, "comon man, i'm just doing my job. if i don't, imma get the tazer myself." And he gave her multiple chances to get back to work.

And comon, who didn't laugh a little bit when he hit her w/ the tazer. You know you did. Don't lie.

Anyone with me?

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I heard it the opposite. He was all power trip happy when he did it. As if the thought never crossed his mind that someone would stand up to him.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

OH i'm the exact same way with datu, if/when datu dies a terrible death i'll be laughing

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I have a hard time listening to that accent and not sure what it's supposed to be.

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Originally Posted by Beaumont

I have a hard time listening to that accent and not sure what it's supposed to be.

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i've never heard anything like it, and it sounds godawful, i'd be shocked if the actor had that accent in real life.

This talk of Bixby reminds me of what my brother says when I play GTA 'you like killing cops? Makes you feel like a big boy, huh? Get up in the morning put on your big boy pants?' He also says it when I kill civilians but he changes it from cops.

Well anyway I think Hollos right, Bixby was just doing his job. If someone higher up in rank tells you to stand at a door and not let anyone through, you probably won't let anyone through, right?

He was just doing his JOB or "I was just following orders" doesn't fly since the Nazi were beat.

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Originally Posted by Adogg

I heard it the opposite. He was all power trip happy when he did it. As if the thought never crossed his mind that someone would stand up to him.

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I'm with Adogg on this one. We already know that Marcus loves a "strong show of force," and this guy was probably doing exactly as he was told. The difference is, he believes he's doing the right thing and his smug attitude implies that he doesn't mind being a prick to anyone lower on the class ladder.

Hitting Pegs with a taser was completely unnecessary albeit hilarious.. However, I'm surprised one of the guardians didn't put Michael down as soon as shovel met face.

ok, so ive listened to this episode several times and i still cannot figure out what Pegs says in the very end. something like "wait, ......????". does anyone else know what im talking about and caught what she said. im sure KC wouldn't have put it in there if it wasn't important. your assistance would be much appreciated!

I thought the same thing about tanya and michael overlapping each other at the gate. But kc shot it down because it made for a more dynamic edit. This could be another such instance. Not saying that it is, but I went down this road before and it was a dead end

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Originally Posted by mascaria

Marcus is a liiiiiiaarrrrr.

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I totally agree...

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Marcus didn't have a clue what an "MOS" was. He's most def lying about being Army...

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That's what clued me in too... I think maybe he killed somebody that was in the Army and then started using his victims story as his own. I'm theorizing that his lies about being a service member mixed in with extreme violence is what rose him to power.

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Originally Posted by Ryzilient

Marcus comes across as a little less forward version of the Governor from The Walking Dead.

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I was just thinking the same thing this morning!

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Originally Posted by fraggot

My only question is, who's Randy?

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Man... I'm definitely hooked! I'm finishing up Chapter 19 for the first time right now. 20, here I come!