never mind!! lol saw the wiki about Angel's rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu
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never mind!! lol saw the wiki about Angel's rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu
What do you think will happen to Pegs? Given the under-strength appearance of Fort Irwin there can't be many helicopter pilots on the base, possibly not enough to man the birds they have. Pegs has already demonstrated her ability to fly the Pelican/Jolly Green Giant and it's unlikely anyone else on the base has ever flown one.
Can you imagine Pegs getting drafted and given a warrant officer's rank (most Army pilots are warrant officers). She'd outrank Michael, which could be fun. Datu and Kelly could be assigned to her flight crew, maybe even Riley if she's ever released from the hospital. It would be a better use of personnel than leaving them to rot in barracks, plus it could help set the stage for the inevitable trip back to LA.
I have a fear this is going to happen. I don't like it, not because of us not getting to know more about the facts, but because the whole identity crisis seemed kinda rushed in to me. They spent days preparing to go to Irwin. They came to Irwin, a military base, hoping to find the military to be protected and safer than in the city. Michael is a soldier. They spent days doing nothing. What else did he expect? Not once it occurred to Michael "Hey, I'm a soldier in a military base, I wonder what might happen now, duh, do you think they will put me on duty again?". Therefore him not signing the papers seems to me just a bit too easy way to get a cliffhanger at the end of this episode too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Did anyone notice how Puck was narrating? That's interesting, we have always considered the narration as someone reading one of the daily logs. Does that mean that eventually he will leave the army and join our group of survivors somewhere else, starting his own diary?
About the maps and inventory reports in the Col office, he's just being practical. The intel has more to do with supplies than anything else. Even if Fort Irwin is stocked to the brim you still got to know where to get more fuel, food, weapons, and other supplies.
I don't like the nuke option. It just doesn't feel like something a sane military man would do. That is if the Col is sane. Anyway it just seems like using nukes is like boxing yourselves in.
The bad news. Unless Fort Irwin is being attacked regularly by super zombies, we probably already know what the bad news is. All major US cities lost. No contact with the government. Other bases under siege or lost contact. Michael probably knows more about the zombies than the folks at Fort Irwin. Well, that is unless they have proof that the zombies is a terrorist plot or have a haze maker machine.
Finally, Tanya is freaking out because the military will find that she has bite scars. Not from humans but from animals. She was a vet after all. The scars might have gotten her almost killed at the Colony and she may believe that it may get her killed at the base.
Ah, shit! Really? Damn, there goes my dream of a mass-Apache assault on the Colony!!! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Ha! Now that's just funny... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I'm thinking that Kc probably ended the episode the way that he did so as to illustrate Michael's identity crisis, the whole inner conflict he is feeling between his old loyalty to to duty and his new loyalty to his adopted family (that was the Michael = Antigone thing I mentioned back HERE).Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
I think he will sign, but the fact that he hesitates shows his conflicted loyalties.... which are about to get even more conflicted once Nurse Britt finds those big ol' teeth marks on Tanya's backside...
You are right, I hope he will sign, and I guess there was no better way to introduce Michael's identity crisis, still it felt a bit sudden to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
BTW, sometimes I just point out odd things because it feels repetitive to say how the rest of the episodes is just awesome.
I was thinking the same thing. They can't have many pilots with the rotation of the soldiers. However, when they first arrived at the base someone told Pegs to shut off the chopper to save gas. This kinda gives me the impression that they are currently using a type of air transport. Not necessarily a chopper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Since Micheal is his superior commander, then was probably told by him to keep one.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Love this fact, being medically retired Air Force especially nice to see Tammy as prior AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Well Puck has probably been keeping a log from the beginning. At the very least just a list of events to tell is superiors, which is what his narration sounded like. My guess is that since Puck was assigned to work under Michael, that means Michael will have access to all the logs and anything else with information to help him do his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
It sounds like there are definitely military guys on the writing team; a lot of the dialogue sounds legit.
The only thing that really felt wrong was when the corporal (I can't recall his name right now) pronounced "pog" to rhyme with "log." It has a long "o" sound, like "open" or "bone."
(I was a pog myself. Nothing wrong with that! :cool:)
I think that's a def. possibility. Puck could end up leaving with Michael and the gang. Since Puck was injured when bringing in Tanya, he will be quarantined when and if she is. I think they are going to be at the camp for at least a week. Time to figure out that Tanya in immune to becoming a zombie and time to run a bunch of tests on her. The tests would be routine all the way up to bringing in a zombie to bite her. I think when Michael gets word of this, he will plan the break out including Puck. Which he would have grown to like before they quarantine him. And it will be a chopper escape, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Here's this Chapter's Cover Art:
Attachment 1818
Some observations:
• The plane lifting off is pretty clearly a C-130, which is not something you would normally find at Fort Irwin.
• The terrain has a very "Mojave Desert Dry Lake Bed" feel to it. It could be the fabled Fort Irwin Army Air Field, or any dozens of dry lake beds around the region.
• The man who can be seen close up is wearing camos, though they look more like the old BDU pattern than the newer ACU style.
• If you look closely at the little rise on the right side of the image you can make out three human-looking silhouettes. There's no way to tell if they're humans, or biters.
• If you look even more closely at the dust swirl above the three silhouettes you can make out a very large human face in the dust swirls. At least that's what I see, and no I haven't been drinking (much).
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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Quick thoughts
- I think I can make out the image of four human silhouettes. One the the left is a little obscured by the dust.
- I'm not so sure about the large human face in the dust. The only face-like image that I see there looks sort of like Edvard Munch's 'The Scream'.
- Look at the image on the Back of the soldier, just under the 'A' in 'Alive'. Look a little like the symbol for radiation, huh? I must be reaching.
After the initial chuckles, I realized that while that may be the case, she probably wouldn't be able to outrank Michael since he has much more experience. Then again, you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I think this is potentially one of the most logical things I've read all day. Kudos to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneTwo
I think making Pegs a warrant officer would be fun. Even more fun, if the nurse that Britt played in this episode is Army then she's an officer, which means that she outranks Michael! Britt should keep that in mind the next time she has Jim Gleason in the hot seat.
I see the face in the clouds...but my brain is geared toward things like that...very interesting artwork for sure..im liking the majority of the thoughts in the last few posts
Her nickname will be "Spot."Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I was listening to this episode again and a sudden question came up. With all the paper this base is using won't they soon run out? What about printer supplies? Maybe one of the military guys can answer these questions. If Ft Irwin is anything like my office then if the paper runs out or the color laser printer runs out of toner that will be a bigger emergency than biters.
- Correct on the C-130, wonder if it's the passenger or fully loaded version?
- I dont see the face one bit, although I was horrible at the 3D image posters that you stare at
- The "radiation" symbol looks to be part of his backpack, my guess it's Michael.
Fort Irwin gets over run. Survivors have to get on the C-130 to escape. Everyone decides LA is a good place to go because some how they only have enough fuel to go to LA, weird right. In LA Michael finds Saul, they high five, and decide that the prison is a good place to live and why did they never think of that idea before.
Great episode!
Really like Kc's military detail. Us soldiers really like it.
Can't wait for the next episode :mad:
When I look at the cover art, I see the 3 figures off to the right. Two taller and 1 shorter. Victor, Saul and CJ?
I also think that the large 'light' that the C-130 is flying towards looks like a white fireball with a yellow 'stalk' underneath. It's very low to be the sun.
There's also a darker/lighter ring above the, presumably Michael, figure on the left.
Combined with the Pantex mention and the radiation symbol on the back of the backpack he's wearing, maybe it's a nuke going off?
You know, with all the new information that the story is about to dump on us (and here I mean all the background intel from CJ about all her gang has learned and has been doing, as well as all the intel that Kimmet and the Army dudes have gleaned), I am curious about how Kc is going to deal with this....
... does this mean we are going to have an entire episode or two where it's just Michael and Kimmet talking in HQ?
Hmmm, I forget, but does Chinwe have any radio equipment? Is she way to far away from Ft. Irwin to contact them in any way? Maybe after Michael provides what little information he has regarding L.A., the brass at Ft. Irwin decides it's time to pack up and head out. Just then, they get a radio message from Saul, Victor and CJ. It's garbled and they can't respond, but at least now, Michael knows that Saul and them are alive. He can't go with the rest of Ft. Irwin to whatever safe haven they have in Montana. He stays behind and a great number of his team stay behind with him. As the plane takes off, he sees three figures walking off the field. Corporal Puck, and two others decided they had enough of the Colonel's army. They join Sergeant Michael Cross and his rag-tag band of ass kickers.
it's possible i imagine, but somehow that doesn't seem like KCs style. i think more likely we'll experience it through a flashback so that it won't be so dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Flashbacks seem to be reserved for those with first hand accounts. If the info is coming from across the country/world I think we may be in line for a dry info dump with background sound to reinforce the happenings.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
but there was a lot of info hinted at that would be directly related to the base itself, i am of course thinking of the "people don't work for duty" comment. it seems like that, since it is relavent info for the operation of the base, would be flashback worthy, as well as gaining new insight on any intel gleaned during that period of time. i think that would be a great way for KC to work it all together. also remember, michael had them keep logs for intelligence purposes, who's to say the base commander didn't have the same idea, and now he's got an analyst, our very own michael.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
don't get me wrong, i would love a couple of very slow episodes where we get nothing but information, i love that sort of thing, makes my brain twitch, but i think that would be a bit dry for most people.
We know there was radio equipment at Dunbar Apartments, Kalani used it to call the Mallers. As for radio signals reaching between LA and Fort Irwin, it's possible, but hard. If atmospheric conditions are right, if you have the right antenna, if both parties are on the same frequency and listening at the right time, then you can communicate just fine. AM or ham radios should work okay. FM or CB radios are a long shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
It could play out like "The 31st" and "Last Dying Breath" with us, the audience, learning about the outbreak and initial responses from different perspectives. An example would be Victor telling a second-hand account of what he knows of the evacuation of the colony juxaposed against an account from someone from Fort Irwin. Although Victor says he wasn't present during the evacuation he seems to have some knowledge of the events as he describes them to Kelly and Pegs in chapter 18/3. The Fort Irwin account could be told by Col. Kemmit or, perhaps, Pvt. Carl Thomas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
We haven't heard much about the Colony's founding or why the rescue opperation ended. A plausable scenario could be:
- Saul explains where he got the medicine, which leads to Victor discussing the Colony.
- Victor discusses what he knows of the Colony's early days while someone at Fort Irwin discusses the rescue.
- Victor mentions Sean, Michael, radio attempt, coup... CJ puts the pieces together Sherlock Holmes-style and conclude that the Mallers are heading to the colony because they had better radios and probably heard Michael's failed transmission to the Tower. Remember Tard's comment about having to listen to 'bird talk' in 21/1?
Can Ducan play the part of Watson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I can't believe I am saying this but is it Monday yet? I am as anxious as Homer Simpson when he had the waiting period to buy a handgun.
Couldn't agree more. Started listening to We're Alive not long ago & caught up to Chapter 28. I HATED WAITING SO LONG!!!
Just wait until season 3 ends. That's when the real pain begins.
Sorry if i jam all this together im on a phone. Well we all know or hope that col. Kem has information but who knows yet they could really still be somewhat in the dark do to speak all over. Yes it's apparent that michael will be briefed because it's said by the col. Himself and puck says a lot of info will be dropped real quick and that the col. Can explain it all better then puck can himself. But who knows if the col will have better information then Michael (and us) because michael and company have been living closer to and within "the front lines" so to speak. And the col said he has no MI specialist (I think that how it was stated). So the col could know the sevarity of the out break and the extent but maybe not the little details michael does. And the different "kinds". Well I'm just babbling now don't mind me. Just a few more thoughts. Datu may not be a citizen so may not be cleared? Michael will push to grant his acceptance and give good reason of king datu's resource fullness (reference to nik)and faithfulness. I brought up a thought early in this part of the forum and no one elaborated or maybe no one thought much of it probably do thought I'd throw it back out if anyone was bored enought to enjoy the thought >>>>>. Anyways last but not least for me on this post sal back on his first journal entry (I'm not going to find it) says that if he turns into a biter that Michael is going to be his lunch. I've always thought that sal will get caught up and turned if he's not already. And now if you guys are right if Michael returns to la he could have a master tracker zombie "sal" seeking him for dinner. But who knows as I usually say at the end of my post I'm probably wrong. I know this isn't the crackpot theory section haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tielurrdee
:in corner rocking back and fourth: "happy thought happy thoughts happy thoughts:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I can't imagine Datu being Filippino would be a problem in and of itself. The Army has a long tradition of enlisting non-citizens to serve, and Filippinos have been serving honorably in large numbers for more than a hundred years. Being in the service gives you an immigration status similar to having a "Green Card", in that it allows you to stay and work as long as you're in the service. It also provides an expedited path to citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tielurrdee
Good to know that makes perfect senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I'm now leaning toward the idea that the C-130 in the Chapter artwork is taking some of our cast away to a "safe zone" somewhere other than Fort Irwin. That idea firmed up in my head as I listened to "We're Not Dead" episode 35.
Two of CPL Puck's comments make more sense in the context of civilians being evacuated. First, when he tells the group that, "once you get cleared you get your itineraries". If they were staying at Fort Irwin they would be getting their "assignments" or their "orders". Itineraries implies travel to me. Second, when Datu complained about having to learn military terminology and Puck makes the crack, "yeah, that might not be necessary". If it's not likely that Datu is staying on base then why would he need to learn the language?
Besides, it doesn't make sense to send characters back to LA in a C-130 when there are helicopters available.
Mine had artwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chogidog