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If I'm not mistaken the sound of her weapon fire is the same as the M-16's that Saul, Micheal, and Angel were using. I don't think CJ or Saul would be headed in to kick ass with a handgun that holds 8 rounds when they have access to M-16's, MP-5's, Saul's SAW, etc. That would be just a little foolish. CJ is definitely sporting a rifle/carbine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall
Yes, he failed Villainy 101, before killing an important character one must give a monologue about his dominance plans afterward. Durai did the opposite. :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Let's us at least pour out a 40 for a fallen hero, Bricks.
As state before: Saul's chickens are being taken out by Pete and Witch Doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I'll respond to this one as it might not come up in the story. Durai did know Angel's father, but any interactions with him as a boy might have been a long time ago. Was he aware of who Angel was during during the first attack on the tower? No. He never saw Angel face to face during the conflict, and even then he may not have made the connection. Who controlled the list of names at that point, Scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston
From 12:
DURAI
(holding down the receiver, to
Scratch)
Which one is this one, now? Burt?
Ok, thank you, dear.
(to Burt)
Burt! Nice to meet you, finally, I
have heard so much about you.
When Kalani relayed the names, he left out Tunudo. He may not have been aware of it at the time, but the information was only partial.
"Angel who the Mallers and didn't tell anyone?" It's not apparent in the story WHEN he made the connection of Scratch, Latch, and or Durai. But he definitely went to some lengths to NOT let on about it. In a scenario where trusting people is already very difficult, why add to it by declaring a past that might coincide with one of your enemies. He goes to great lengths to try and hide his name from the others. If you listen closely to Chapter 8 he gets very upset that his name is mentioned. Why? Because there's a lot behind a name...
If there's a mistake I made in the writing, or you think a plot whole exists, just let me know and who knows, I might be able to patch it, but I'm pretty sure this one's in the clear.
the action was great, was hoping for a little longer. but ill wait for next episode, as i pull my hair out. lol. i figured bricks would die. however not so soon. will Lizzy name the baby bricks?
you cant kill off scratch just yet. she will have a raise to power and then she will fall. What about Burt? are they going try to get him out too?
on a side note. I have somebody hooked on the series at work. he hates me now. lol
The intention of that was more to sway sympathies toward Durai before Scratch was killed. There's a lot of people more loyal to Scratch than Durai. That might come up later, but I wanted to voice in on it. But, I appreciate the honesty :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Great episode I was at the edge of my metaphorical chair as I listened. Who ever commented that durai not recognizing angel in the beginning was a plot hole in the story is a bit off. Fact is durai never saw angel ever well untill he was brought to the colony. He may have had info that there was a guy named angel in the tower bc of the kalani the rat letting him know. Or scratch may have told him she knew who angel was when she eventually figured it out. No plot hole there at all. Anyways that was a wild way to snuff bricks Some may complain but hey you know what go write your own stories or cry let KC tell his. I didn't want to see bricks go but it is what it is I really felt bad for him and for lizzy at that point that was the 3rd guy she was close to die protecting her, as he seemed to be transforming into a new light boom gone, he may have been a criminal but he had potential for a new life. It would have been to complicated to keep him. At least a zombie didn't get him. He went out as a good character because he betrayed the villain . I couldn't ask for more. I really have no clue how this next situation gets handled. Do the mallers loyal to scratch die with the mallers loyal to durai join the colonist to take them down. I really have no idea with in the colony who sides which who now. Would the colony members even leave any mallers that werent loyal to scratch. I see them all as bad at this point but who knows. Man it just got wild. Does Vic and crew pull off a hat trick and get lizzy+Burt+sat phone. I sure hope so. I know one thing cj won't trust anyone once the dust settles but heck she will soon have a new army tell if and when they get ahold of Michael .
Oh I see KC beat me to the punch on clearing up the plot hole thought. Thanks for peaking in on us master we some greatful minions.
Not every chapter is great for every person. I welcome the criticism people have. This whole process of how people receive things helps, as long as they keep it constructive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tielurrdee
Definitely, what I was referring too didn't seem to constructive but I re read it and I guess it border line was constructive so I take back said comment. Remember I'm the holder of the dumbass award.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
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Originally Posted by Penguine
I should give you bad rep, but I gave you good rep instead. <3
Now that we know about Angel's past and thinking back over the story, it comes across pretty well that Angel wanted to distance himself from his family name. Something that caught me as kind of odd early on, way back to chapter 1, when we first hear Angel calling Michael, he says "it’s Lieutenant Angel". That came off as odd because it seems as though he should have said "it's Angel" or "it's Lieutenant Tunudo". Now it kind of makes sense that he wasn't proud of the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I misread that as "barehanded in tank tops" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Privateer
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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Durai should have read Machiavelli! Killing Scratch the way he was planning to do could have been a great way to start building a power base among the slaves and Colony residents. He could have made Scratch the scapegoat for everything bad that happened after the Maller takeover. Instead he just focused on his own whiney complaints, and died. He was a deeply flawed, brilliantly written and acted character to the end.
Anyone else thinking that Saul and CJ have just delivered Scratch's escape vehicle? Bet she'll be less hesitant to ram the gates on her way out!
There is going to be so much carnage in the next chapter. But it's ok... we're going to Boulder.
I was kind of in shock when all hell broke loose...but I cannot honestly say I was surprised when Scratch skewered Durai (as soon as he let her talk, I was like..."Oh..no...")
Bricks getting shot...I was surprised and unsurprised at the same time. I'm just glad Victor got to Lizzie before Tardust did. That was the next thing I was expecting...Tar polishing up a knife and calling softly under his breath: "Here blondie, blondie, blondie..."
Although I'm glad that Lizzie and Saul have gotten the chance to hear one another's voices, I'm still concerned because Saul is still in the process of breaking in and not letting any zombies in at the same time. They're across the compound from one another, and a lot can happen in just a few minutes (like Scratch reversing the execution...).
I'm hoping that in the confusion, Lizzie and Victor manange to get Burt out, wherein we learn that Burt's just a good a shot with his other hand (wishful thinking, maybe...) and Scratch gets to try to pry out a slug from her brains...(but I have to admit, that reversal was pretty badass, Scratch).
All I have to say is that I cried a bit after Bricks bought it and Saul and Lizzie heard each other for the first time...very emotionally charged episode!
And WHY?? do we have to wait TWO WEEKS for the next episode?? That's just TORTURE!!
I see I am not the only one a bit disappointed about how a dumbass Durai is shown to be. He could barely respond to Scratch. I can't see how a man like this could have mastered the mallers so far.
On the other hand, Scratch going out with a shot in the head from Durai would have been VERY anticlimactic, and I think pulling a Bond Villain on Durai was the only solution to this pickle KC found himself in.
I also did not understand if they manage to close the gate or not. Slowest gate ever, if not O_o
Applies for nameless redshirts only ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
I think Durai was just delusional of his power, and didnt see things the way Scratch did, and maybe how she was right. Hes not a screamer like Scratch and i think he was in shock or surprised for the few seconds that it took for her to scream at him. Its not the easiest thing to talk over someone screaming at you. Hes also surprised with how blind hes been and realising it, and that hes not really the top dog that he thought he was, and discovering that he lacks the support that Scratch has. I think his response and how it played out as quickly as it did was very realistic and shouldn't be surprising. He would have somehow addressed what she was saying if he didnt suddenly have a knife sticking in his chest, although knowing that Scratch had more support he didnt realise she had, he might not have shot her, then again he may have, if given the chance. Point is, his brain was in overdrive with new info and hadnt barely the time to process it before he was skewered, geez give the man a break. Awesome episode.
I brought this up some time ago.... and i still think so...But wouldnt be surprised if something completely different happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...urt-vs-Scratch
All that being said so far:
Since Saul/ CJ and Lizzy/ Victor have their sat-phones, they should not have too much trouble finding each other - unless Lizzy makes them move to the place where Burt is locked up, because Saul and CJ were not in the Colony so far.
Scratch, after having cleared the mess and having made herself the boss, maybe do one thing: getting to Burt in order to check the loyalty of the guard and maybe even interrogating and torturing Burt another time now that she is in her best mood (a blood frenzy). Storywise I think that would make some sense, wouldn't it? But maybe she would try to organize things first ... like checking her loyal troups, the guns, bushing The Colonists back into slavery and more importantly especially fighting back the Zeds while trying to close the gate. And if this won't work, then get into some cars and run away - like always when she is entitled to take responsibility for others ...
And if then Lizzy and Saul show up at Burt's we would face a similar character-constellation like in chapter 6, when Saul, Lizzy and Burt met Latch and Scratch the first time. The main differenc though is that CJ and Victor and probably one to some guards would be in the same place as well ... If this happens, well ... Kind of hard to tell. Scratch might take Burt hostage; maybe CJ now learns the real story about Sean (unlikely); or maybe there will be a Tarantino-style shoot out, but who would be the last man standing? Or maybe Lizzy would be able to involve Scratch into some psycho-talks. which would be kind of odd, but would also work to some degree.
And I have not tossed the Gatekeeper-faction into this scenario yet. But to be honest: I think the Gatekeeper had his part in the story and won't fill in so soon again - or if he joins then it will be about creating a new group of survivors with him and his comrades to support the main actors in some way. After all: WA is a story of survival.
Looking from the above I think it would be time to make the cliffhanger solid and change the perspective all along - i.e. switching towards Fort Irwin. I may be wrong, but would Fort Irwin be interested in rescuing the Colony; or would they be more interested in analyzing the Inglewood-situation? Also they have all hands to do with Tanya. There may be the chance to re-introduce Riley as well. My prediction therefore: #33 will be about Fort Irwin.
And I don't think that the rescue camp in Boulder will be part of the story soon or even anyway; Kelly, Datu, Hannah, and Pegs had their share in the story. Ok, I give it that: Pegs is the one motivation for Scratch for getting more and more insane and bloodthirsty; but that actually does not require Pegs to get involved with an active part in the story, does it?
Although I am not so happy about how Durai and especially how Bricks died, I am pretty happy that Scratch as the Ultra-Evil-Bitch-No-1 in Podcast-Universe did not die, as many have predicted. And I am pretty excited about how the next meeting of Saul/Cj/Lizzy/Victor/?Burt? will turn out.
All the best!
Liam
The Durai thing made sense to me. I see him as an upper management type in the family. I am willing to bet he hasn't had to get his hands dirty in a while. Back in the day he would have been untouchable in regards to Family stuff. He could have ranted, raved, and gone on..and on..and on... with little issue. Willing to bet he did jail time on for something like Tax Evasion or conspiracy to murder. Not for actually doing something himself. He was used to telling people what to do instead of doing himself. No one questioned him back in the day. Like the beginning said "That was then, This is now.."
In regards to The Colony, something has to be done to give it a major boost if it is to still be a threat. Right now we got Durai's loyalists vs Scratch's loyalists vs Gatekeeper's Loyalist. When the Dust settles a lot of people are going to be dead with more to come. If Scratch's people come through they will clean house of a lot of the others. I just can not see her going "Gatekeeper...you got balls. You and yours are forgiven if you work with me..." I see her killing them all.
Lets say she does get control in the end. She finds out about Fort Irwin. She is going to march her hundredish (Willing to bet less than that after this is over) through the city, across the desert, to attack a Military Base? I don't see the rest of the Colony being up for that. Something else has to happen to keep her a threat after this. She is a threat to Saul, Victor and CJ b/c it is 3 vs 130ish. But 75-100 people vs a Military base? Something else is coming. She will be bite by a Zombie or something. Turn into a Smart One and lead the Zombies to Irwin. Needs to be extreme.
+1; what you are saying here makes a lot of sense. Three factions with one being more or less helpless as they have little to know access to guns (Gatekeeper loyalists). But there is a fourth group right now "establishing force" against The Colony - the zeds being led into the facility by Saul and CJ. This could also lead to some kind of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"-situation between the factions ... Who actually knows - or bothers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
As you I don't see Scratch marching against Fort Irwin - at least in the sense of attacking. But after this revolution in The Colony I could imagine something along this line: When dust has settled the few remaining survivors could get into their remaining cars or whatnot and try to get out of LA - not considering the traffic jam on the roads leading out of town though. Also Scratch still does not know where The Tower-folks fled to; so basically the question #1 would be: Does Burt break? Or question #2: Are Victor and Saul going to get imprisoned, tortured and finally broken to reveal the Fort-Irwin-Bail-Out? At the moment it really is hard to tell where all of this going to end; and I hold almost any scenario within the paradigms of WA as valid as any other ...
Well ... Maybe we will have a sole story arc about Mr. Whiskers and Lady showing up and surviving in this town. As voice actor Mr. Simon of "Simon's Cat" would be a good deal, wouldn't he? ;)
All the best!
Liam
P.S.: http://www.simonscat.com
Well this episode has been discussed to death and its only 8AM on a Tuesday. (has it been 24 hours?). So I shall instead turn my comments towards what will happen as a result of this episode.
Clearly Scratch is in scramble mode now, as are Bixby, CJ, Saul and Victor. As we heard CJ tell us the first gate was closed I began to think about where they go from here. There is not exactly time to call a secret meeting of the colonists and ask if they're fed up with the mallers and want to revolt anymore is there?
The only hope for our Tower folk is that Saul and CJ link up with Victor and or Bixby and Gatekeeper to make use of the "Cap-One" Armory Van they have. Even still, it would be 5 on 130. Perhaps there aren't as many Mallonists (forgot who used it first but I love it) armed and ready to fight as we think. It could be that just the Guardians and a few select people are armed. In which case we may have a fair fight to come.
So my thoughts on how the Tower folk make it through this is...race to the Colony's armory and go from there. Scratch will undoubtedly go for Burt and hold him hostage. I want to say that is where we will see the end of both Scratch and Burt; as Burt will go down in a cinematic fashion where he brings Scratch down with him. My only problem with that is Without Durai and without Scratch our story sort of comes to an end. There is no Evil Element, no good v bad, aside from Pinstripes but he seems to be soaking up some rays in Long Beach or something for this season.
If the worst should happen and all of our Hero's are captured by Mallonists I did have another thought. Micheal knows of the Colony and with his new position at Ft. Irwin who knows he may have eyes on the Colony. All this goes down, word goes back to the Ft. that there has been some wild partying and carrying on, fireworks, running with knives, smashing valuables (rip Shirley), and all a sudden Spec Ops drop by to check in on the noise complaint. We now have a Good v Bad scenario again.
Ok, since we're in prediction mode:
- Hope were in for a nice long battle sequence that lasts up until the end of this season (ala 'The War' in season 1). However, I hope Kc has his sound cues down solid... it can be tough to visualize what is happening when all hell is breaking loose
- Burt will be freed soon. Probably when they are about to escape and Lizzy will go "Wait! What about Burt?!" (etc)
- The Mallony will be overrun by zombies. Got to be, because it doesn't make sense, plot-wise, to have our heroes captured or to have them successfully stage a coup. In either case, the action will stop and the story will essentially be over. But with hordes of Zeds running wild, the whole place will collapse, leaving a small band of survivors to barely make it out of the flames...
- Burt will kill Scratch. Probably wishful thinking on my part, but I can't see any point in having Scratch live on beyond this battle. What is she going to do-- hug the underside of the van, Cape-Fear style, and pop out when the group gets back to LA?
- Burt will live until the end of the story. I don't care if its not realistic, dammit! Don't kill the old guy! The only way I'll stomach his death is if he goes out like a supreme badass, like dragging Scratch down with him into an active volcano, or something.
- Season 4 will be about the hunt for Ink and the source of the contamination. Back to the origins, here, with the escaped Mallony survivors SAT-phoning Michael and getting a team of commandoes to assult the hospital...
How about Lizzie offing Scratch? She has a reason now. Because Scratch, I think it was her voice, was the one who shot Bricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
So how would Burt get rescued? Lizzy does not know where Burt is held, only that he is locked up. Bricks knew, but he never told Lizzy, only told her that there were guards and an alarm. Gatekeeper or Bixby might know simply cause they probably have been to that area, but that would mean that Saul/CJ need to hookup with Bixby/Gatekeeper, but Saul/CJ do not know Burt is there, which takes us back to Lizzy. Does she tell Victor, or in her state of shock/excitement/fear/whatever just forget?
Does Gatekeeper/Bixby/Mallonies (plural of Mallony?) make it out of the Colony? They could cram a bunch in the SWAT van and head to the hills. If it were me I think I would grab Lizzy, Burt if possible, and the Sat Phone and Victor, tell Gatekeeper and Bixby they can come if they want to, and head toward the gate in the SWAT van picking up anyone that Gatekeeper or Victor says were good, then leave the rest. I'd haul ass out of dodge and tell CJ we need head to Dunbar, lock that place down, and get the Sat phone fixed.
I don't think that Saul will call in a strike on anyone, I think he will call for evac to get him and his people out of town. On the other hand, I think Saul will find it hard to get back in to Army life when/if he and Lizzy get back to one another. He has fought/searched for months to find her, and I highly doubt if Kimmet tells him his pregnant woman is now being airlifted to Colorado but you have to stay that that is going to go over well with him. Probably go over as well as a fart during Catholic Mass.
Question... All this driving around any idea why they would not have ever put together a small team and headed to like Camp Pendleton, Miramar Air Station, LA Air Force Base, for supplies, vehicle, etc? I for one would have been like "Hey, you do know they have Strikers at Pendelton right?" Just a thought, but the Mallers would have shit their pants had a Striker come through the front gate, rotate the turret toward Scratch/Durai, and Saul pop his head out the hatch and been like "Where's my woman bitch!"
Dangit! So how many of our heroes can fit into that Shelby Cobra? Lucky for them they, sometimes, come across as clowns.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Good point. She is going through alot right now. Bricks Death, Pregnancy, Saul, Mr. Whiskers. She may just forget to remember Burt. I doubt it but it is a good point to bring up her state of clusterfuckness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
I think I'd do the same but im curious as to how much of a resistance they are encountering. Remember they're getting lit up from above by guardians, when they open up the secondary gates they might get shot at from there too. No one has had time to tell the Mallonists that a better option is about to become available. Amongst this chaos 2 new people with fully loaded truck may be seen as a threat more than a rescue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
If they were to run into those areas now they'd have to clear it first before even thinking of setting up shop and mounting an assault. Not to mention gas and what if things are broke? Datu's long gone now. No one else in California can fix things like he could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
I really cannot wait to see how they get out of this one, its udder chaos in there right now. People are just shooting at anything that moves it seems and we have 7 people inside that we need to make sure come out ok. Safe to say 1 or 2 more people will be scratched off the survivor list next time we return.
Saul: NOTE TO SELF, No former tower tenants should visit the colony, or all hell will break loose.
Anyway, Can anyone verified that Scarface was Bricks shooter?
Witch Doctor, stop using the word clown. Clown should never be use in a zombie drama. (Shutter......)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
So, from the sounds of the last 5 minutes or so of the episode it sounds like Scratch and her people were able to take the SWAT vehicle, as well as the guns.
I'm guessing Scratches people just shot the fuck out of the inside of the vehicle and assumed that Saul, CJ, and whoever else was in there were dead. I mean when Saul is barely talking to Lizzy through the radio you hear Scratch in the background say "Get the guns inside!" So I'm thinking CJ and whoever else was in there are dead, Saul is seriously injured, and Scratch just got an armored vehicle and enough guns to arm a small infantry unit.
I think Scratch was heading to the armory not the van.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
CJ is said in the background get the guns in inside.
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Originally Posted by Penguine
Yeah, they might forget ol Burt. Saul is like Pavlov's dog. Mention Lizzy's name and he goes all OMG, OMG!!!:omgomg:
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Originally Posted by Penguine
I think it depends on the condition of the Mallony after the War II. If it's over-run by Zs then they'll all need shelter. Does CJ have enough blind folds and safe houses for that?
Saul will have to get back to Dunbar so Glenn can fix the Sat phone before he can call Fort Irwin, unless there is another communication device like the SINCGARS mentioned by Glenn when he met Micheal. By the way, couldn't he have mentioned the SINCGARS in the first place?
CJ: "Glenn, Come in. We found the Sat Phone but did you know that there is a SINCGARS here too?"
Glenn; "Ohh hoho yes, I wasn't going to say anything but..."
CJ: "YOU SLOW-TALKING BASTARD!!! IF YOU SPOKE FASTER THEN PEOPLE WOULDN'T CUT YOU OFF SO DAMN MUCH!!!"
Does it work? What's its range? Is Irwin operating under radio silence?
If the Colonists recapture the colony from the Mallers then how will they dole out justice to any surviving Mallers? Anybody see a marathon of Green Miles for 26 Mallers?
I would have expected Kimmet to have been in contact with such a large population of survivors if Micheal told him that one existed. He seems so concerned with saving people and recruiting soldiers that he probably couldn't care less about Micheal's 'petty' squabble with the Colony's leadership. I wonder what's going on with that aspect. Micheal keeping secrets? Maybe Micheal learns that Kimmet has a long-lost secret lover named Gate Keeper and decides that if he can't have Pegs then Col. "Key Master" Kimmet can't have Gate Keeper. Can only speculate as to why.
As for Lizzy being separated from Saul at Fort Irwin, remember that she is a medical professional. They would definitely need therapists.
I agree with Litmaster. It looks like we're heading for another set of episodes like the War and Burning Embers.
Yes, Scratch tells others to get to the armory. I couldn't tell who said the part about 'the guns inside' to whom.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Nom Nom Nom.
Whuh arw eww dwalking abwoup?
Gulp!
Hey I only need the bones.
:)
The problem with SINCGARS is the security of them and the range. If I am not mistaken they get a different encryption each time they are used, so the chance of them being able to talk to each other with out being synced/on the same encryption/channel is slim. And as for range... 300m - 35km (~ 22miles) depending on the power setting. Ft. Irwin is about 150 miles away, not going to be able to talk to Irwin with that radio.
If you listen carefully to Bricks' death scene you can hear Scratch yell "Bricks!", then two gunshots. Bricks goes down and you can hear Scratch yelling "Got him!".Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Aw man, I was hoping Saul and Bricks would meet. I was curious to see how that could have played out, but I suppose Scratch got her vengeance. Did she fire the bullet that killed Bricks or did someone else? I think I heard her shout, "Bricks!" and then later she shouted, "We got him!"
Also, is Durai dead for sure? A hunting knife in the chest is a hella serious thing, but people have survived multiple stabbings before, so....there's that.
I'm very pleased that Saul and Lizzy might finally be reunited, BUT Scratch is on the loose, Saul and CJ are in a shitty situation, and it doesn't look like everything is going to turn out peachy. If the Colony members can get to those guns, then things will look hopeful, but fucking Scratch is a force to be reckoned with. I am anxious to see how things turn out.
Thanks for making me tear up Kc. When Victor tells Lizzie that he was sent by Saul then that whole scene until the end goes down I was tearing up. In our time it has been a year plus since Saul and Lizzie have been together, so it was pretty emotional. As to the gun situation, Scratch tells whomever to get to the guns (in the armory, being that is before the SWAT van gets in the doors), she says to get the guns before the others get them. Clearly there are at least 2 factions in the colony. And at the end it is CJ saying get them the guns. I theorize kind of what Nik theorized on We're Not Dead. Instead of Victor being the "hostage" that gets killed, I think it will be Burt. When Saul and the others are getting ready to leave, Burt will be trotted out by Scratch and slowly killed in front of them Walking Dead style.
I like the last bullet point. I am ready to get back to the contamination and what not. I think we will see a trip to Boulder (all hell being broken loose) There is a reason there has been a lack of creatures, especially Ink, this season. We have 4 more chapters left this season, who knows what will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster