I am very glad that this was an episode of substantial length. (still not long enough)
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I am very glad that this was an episode of substantial length. (still not long enough)
I think the bodied where left to rot because the mallers blew up there "nest". Maybe once they get a new nest made, they will start taking there bodies again?
Definitely a connection between Fort Irwin and the chopper. But didn't Michael describe the chopper as being Coast Guard when they found it? Or was it just the type used by the Coast Guard? I am re-listening to the episodes now but haven't' gotten to that part again yet.
I'm glad you mentioned that. I had been thinking it for a while but didn't want to post it out of fear people would say, "How dare you compare the two!"Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I believe the conflict between Michael's group and the Ft. Irwin survivors could spur from the Helicopter; perhaps Ft. Irwin received the final transmissions from the original JGG's crew saying they were under attack from normals. With the quickness that the Mallers raided L.A. I have very little doubt they were the one's responsible for the helicopter being riddles with bullet holes. But just to satisfy a crazy notion; what if there were two helicopters on that pad. One belongs to Ft. Irwin and the other is the Coast Guard. The CG crew says, "We'll rendezvous with you all at Ft. Irwin." The Ft. Irwin crew says, "Nuh uh. You have an infected on board your bird." They argue. The coast guard crew refuses to back down. Ft. Irwin crew opens fire. Just a random possibility...
I do believe in the long term we are going to see a Ft. Irwin/Tower Survivors vs. Mallers/Colony. I also believe that Michael might find some Intel on ground zero at Ft. Irwin. What say you Nik?
Absolutely loved this episode (like every other episode!). It raised a few interesting theories though!
Where to begin?
Ok, BURT:
I believe he's alive. If he wasnt alive, where is his body!? The mallers wouldnt drag his body away if he was DEAD! On top of that, the zombies havent taken bodies away either. Therefore, if he wasnt dragged away, he was Taken Alive or Walked away!
I also believe that his zip line broke between him and the building his was going Towards, therefore he would have swung backwards on to the tower. Leaving 10 or so yards or rope on Michaels end, and the rest on the tower end.
I don't see Angel dying in this story, not just yet. For a character like him to just die like that wouldnt be too pleasing. Also, as mentioned before, it IS possible that he survived the tower collapse. Its also possible that he rapelled down off the rope that Burt was hanging off. Remember, they never found Angels body either!! Now, either he is under a lot of tower, or hes been taken alive or has walked away - just like Burt.
I loved the whole scenario at Ft Irwin, brilliant. However, I don't trust these 'soldiers' yet. They are, obviously, hiding some truth (about the chopper etc), but who can blame them? Also, I think its quite odd how their commander etc wasnt available right away. Maybe he doesn't exist?
The 'nice' soldier talking to Michael seems pretty cool though. He may turn out to be another character like Victor who supports our much loved group in the future.
Keep up the good work Kc and crew!!!
edit: I hope they DO go back to LA to rendezvous / search for Saul etc, but according to Michael, they are all dead! Unless Saul etc can get a word to our group at Ft Irwin, why would Michael and co go searching for them??
That leads me to the conclusion that they will Not go looking for any 'tower' survivors, BUT will go to get supplies / fuel etc! Thats when they will 'accidently' bump in to some tower survivors!!
I far from trust the soldiers that they encounter on the air field at Irwin. I understand a commander not being available. Even without Zs everywhere, my commander can take days just to return a phone call. One of the things that lends credibility is the corporal that shows up says his MOS is 31B, military police. Assuming his commander is a real commander and has come up through the officer ranks, he would know that detainee operations and searching prisoners/new comers is perfectly suited to an MP unit, as opposed to sending a signal team or a pair of cooks. Fort Irwin also has plenty of MPs, as well as a Cavalry regiment, so it's not unrealistic that they were able to sustain themselves for a long time with little stress to the lower ranks. Also, geographically Fort Irwin is out in the middle of nowhere. It would be a great place to set up for a herd of Zs if you wanted to see them coming. The downside is getting back out off post to look for supplies or survivors. It would be a multiple-day excursion just to get to LA, never mind trying to accomplish a search and rescue.
Agreed. My "does he exist?" theory was my weakest!! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by looney
hahahahah! Ra1th, Ra1th, Ra1th.. Of course Angel is aliveQuote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
*shhhh ya'll. he'll hear us if we say otherwise and we don't want to make him mad at us*
So um, yah Rai1th.. Angel had better be alive since it looks like Burt is still kicking. When he does show up, he'll be the new leader too! Riley will find him and confess her undying love to him. *snicker*
I will have to listen again, but I do not think The Tower came down like we saw on that terrible day a decade ago. My memmory is that Saul or Victor says the wall tore away. I think the results are more like the Oklahoma Bombing. One wall collapses leaving most of the other three walls intact.
Assumption: Mr. Whiskers was in the tower. If it was a total implosion survival rate is real low. But, collapse one side and there are a lot more survivors; Angel, Mr. Whiskers, Maybe Louis possibly even a random redshirt or two.
Burt, I have been a fan of the hand break theory. I just have not posted it. Line snaps and he...
1)If the remainder of line is short enough, he squeezes the hell out of the hand break. He hits the wall like a wrecking ball and falls / slides down the building unconscious. The hand break's natural position is open. So, once Burt blacks out, it could open up and Michael would not notice much resistance.
2) If the Line is too long, he crash lands hard and skids some the line and hand break are worthless.
3)If it is the GoldieLocks Line he skids across the ground or whatever slowing him down significantly. He gets some pendulum action and does not hit too hard.
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Stepping out of plot arguments, I am confident that Burt is alive. As I listen to the Podcast, I think I am supposed to be Michael, blending what is written in the journals, his own recall of the events if he was there and hearsay in a debriefing or gossip. When I hear something "in character" like a narration, I believe that it is ment to represent what is actually written in the journal. But, I might be wrong.
Once Michael gets back from the Colony, the rest of the season is only ~48 to 72 hours I think. Not a lot of time for Burt to write in the journal. In fact, from the Narration of the RPG / Hummvee to the broken zip in is a few minutes. I really do not think he wrote it all down and told Hope to take it just in case he does not make it.
Angel or a redshirt survives. We hear events leading up to the Maller attack. Angel is speaking to Stephen who is opperating the camera. We have Stephen's corpse. These events are transcribed or Michael will not be able to know of them.
Last, I "know" Burt is still alive, because that lil cu** Scratch will have stolen Shirly and we will have the Scratch and Burt Battle. There has been several back and forths between the two that serve as foreshadowing. Not the least of which is, "Dibs, on your shiny pistol. That's out here..."
Although I favor the idea that Durai and the rest of the Mallers are headed towards the colony and we might have an eventual Mallers/Colony vs. Ft. Irwin/Tower Survivors, I can't help but think how against the idea of new comers the Colony was. If the Mallers don't have some sort of deal set up with the Colony then it could end up being the Mallers vs. the Colony. Victor could again become pivotal in the survival of our heroes. If the Mallers go to war with the Colony the Victor might be able to safely lead Saul in to free Lizzie, Burt, and Angel amid all the chaos.
Damn, there are just so many avenues this story can take!
Damn, thought I had something...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
CPL Puck is an MP wearing a Fort Irwin patch. That means he's probably assigned to the Fort Irwin Garrison (as opposed to the OPFOR or the Operations Group) and he reports to the garrison/post commander, who is a colonel. That colonel reports to the Commander, National Training Center, who is a one-star general.Quote:
Originally Posted by looney
BTW, "the Weed" refers to the Fort Irwin base hospital, Weed Army Community Hospital.
I wonder who else was evacuated to Fort Irwin?
When Michael asked his guard what the situation was at Fort Irwin that soldier, Private Thomas, said "It's whoever's stationed here still, sergeant. This is the place where they send..." at which point he was cut off by Corporal Puck. Send who?
Then another soldier recognizes the ID number from the helicopter? The only way a group of Army MPs would recognize a Coast Guard helicopter is if they had either seen it before or had been alerted to be on the lookout for it.
These points makes me think that Fort Irwin was an evacuation site during the outbreak. It may be the place where the Coast Guard took the first arrivals to the Colony, or maybe it was transporting high value evacuees from Los Angeles.
My personal theory is that Fort Irwin is where the government took people who were doing research into the zombies. A group from Radon Labs was evacuated out of LAX, but one helicopter, the Coast Guard Pelican, never arrived. It was carrying vital equipment/supplies/research, etc. and everyone has been alerted to look for it. The Tower survivors didn't know what the cargo on the helicopter was, and left it sitting on the pad at LAX. This necessitates a trip back to LA to retrieve the cargo.
Ooooh...I like this theory! I do believe that answers lay at Ft. Irwin. I'm hoping Michael digs for answers and doesn't just fall into line as a soldier once more. If there is someone there who out ranks him, what will become of Michael as a leader?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Good Post CP!
The Colony had MP5's.
The repaired Coast Guard Chopper had MP5's
Victor or maybe Marcus said there were rescue choppers in and out of The Colony's location early on.
So, let's tease this apart some more.
Would the Coast Guard be issued MP5s? I do not know. I figure standard side arm. With a special issue of long rifles if required. An MP5 would not be out of the question, but I do not know. Just sits wrong with me. I would want an MP5 in close quarters (SWAT) or trying to be discrete (Secret Service). But, damn, a sailboat. That is even more up close and personal than a building and I think I would lean towards side arm. Does the Coat Guard do close assaults or call for backup?
To make things more curious, one of the MP5's from the colony had a suppressor. Could be an addon, but the MP5 does have a suppressed model. This sounds even less like the Coast Guard.
Something about this chopper makes it stand out. The coast guard must have multiple choppers. Why would Thomas and Puck remember this number? Spec Ops under a "False Flag"? Not a false country, but a false agency. The CIA used paint some of the spy planes as NOAA; The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. I do not know. I think the cause of this is conspiritorial. Not "natural" like a metorite in Night of the Living Dead, accidental release of virus (28 days later) etc...
The guys at Fort Irwin recognize the number on the helicopter. I seem to remember that when the helicopter was found at LAX there was a comment about it being used in the initial rescues, and took this as a reference to the rescues that were happening at the colony
Do you think the people at Fort Irwin were involved in the rescue effort and they know about the colony? It makes me wonder if that's why the soldiers seemed cautious of the tower survivors--maybe they thought they were from the colony.
Given that the tower survivors have had more casualties from human threats than from the "things," you'd think they would be a little bit restrained in showing their excitement when encountering another survivor group. Especially Kelly and Pegs, who were at the colony. Given that experience, I thought Kelly's comment about getting laid was a little out of place. Michael did seem to be appropriately wary though when he wasn't willing to surrender his rifle or show them their weapons cache.
This is a excellent point :) well spotted.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Great thinking, Cabbage Patch... I had the same idea yesterday but you one-upped me with the additional theory about the Star Labs group. Any evidence so far that Star Labs was evac'd out of LAX? Also, I couple of things about this that weren't mentioned:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Misc. Thoughts about Irwin as Evac Site
1. My initial thinking was that it was named as an evac site after the outbreak, and that all available choppers in the LA area were made rescue vehicles. About the #1420... I'm not sure how choppers are numbered, but maybe Irwin was designated all choppers numbered from 1000-2000 or something. This might explain why the number was recognized. The other explanation, as CP wrote, was that the guys at Irwin were on the lookout for this specific bird.
2. LAX and the old park at the Colony were two of the evac sites that were hastily set up, but perhaps only a few birds actually got people out before all was overrun and dissolved into chaos. I still think the 1420 bird was just attacked by Eaters before they could get a full load off the ground (destined for Irwin), which would explain the soldiers being puzzled as to why this bird finally showed up, months late, and with different passengers than they were expecting. Also, there is the lingering issue of 'who killed the other guys', which Mike and the boys will have to answer.
3. If some birds did succeed in evacuating people before all was overrun, then it's possible that some people at Irwin could have been flown out from the colony area before it became the colony. Maybe some of them even know Saul's mom.
4. So why haven't any of these other birds been up in the air looking for survivors, if Irwin is indeed an evac site? The only two answers I can think of is that there's no pilots or there's no fuel. I think it's the latter situation at Irwin.
5. One more thing not mentioned: anyone else notice the kind of laid-back reception they got upon arrival at Irwin? Very different from the harsh in-processing they got at the Colony, right? In fact, none of the army guys seemed to know what to do with visitors, which tells me that they probably haven't gotten any new visitors in a long time. Also, the absence of some strict in-processing procedure tells me that the natural isolation of the base has also kept them safe from Eater attacks.
Great episode. I am now at a crossroads. I think I am more excited about the Saul/Victor Storyline. The Ft. Irwin one sounds like another colony, but I guess we will soon find out. I think that the body with all the ID's on it was maybe Kalani. Victor did act as if he would not recognize anyone or thing at the tower. I was hoping that Saul was hearing Burt or Angel climbing out of rubble, then it turned out to be that damn cat! Cannot wait until next week fellows!
I'm no expert on what the USCG isues its guys but an MP-5 makes perfect sense to me. If you are doing searches of a ship and what-not the last thing you'd want was a rifle or even a carbine. An MP-5 is great for walking through the narrow passages below decks and the 9mm round is good since it won't be bouncing around as much as a 5.56 round would. Now a silenced one... that would definatly not be standard issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Wouldn't it be great though if this were some nafarious plot cooked up by the Coast Guard... the branch that is shunned by the others dropping the zombie plague on the world... that would be Bond-esque.
But I am sticking with the "False Flag" idea that I posted when we first ran into the Helicopter all those episodes ago... The Coast Guard is seen as the "Freindly" branch of the Military, when you see a soldier all his swag on using his knife hand point and carying an assault rifle the normal civilian reaction is to be weary... but when you see a guy that done up like a dude in the USCG with a smaller sub machine gun wearing a navyblue jumpsuit and coming out of a heliopter that isn't "Scary looking" you give him a little leeway and you might even jump on that bird to be taken to "Saftey" (muhahahahaaa!).
I'm thinking the two Joe's on the helipad either knew someone that was on that bird when it went back to LA or that they were told to be on the look-out for it, which would be why the private remembered and the corpral didn't... corprals usually have a chip on their shoulder from having all the responsibility on a SGT. but none of the pay.
Great episode, I can't wait til next week!
Just because a few people said "There's no way a z could find something to grab onto the bird" .... I wanted to post this:
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Apparently those people never watched a single episode of Baywatch of Hawaii Five-0 where not only was hanging from a helicopter possible but it was common-placeQuote:
Originally Posted by KcJust because a few people said "There's no way a z could find something to grab onto the bird" .... I wanted to post this:
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When I was listening to this episode I was thinking it was pretty lucky that it was Michael and not Saul that made it to Ft. Irwin, Saul like most Infantrymen would have been "31-what??" I can't speak for all Infantrymen but ubless we here the actual job description we don't know any MOS outside of the 11 series and a few other Combat Arms MOSs
So I relistened today. And I just want to make sure I heard everything correctly
from chpt 24
At the other building, where the chopper left from...when Burt fell michael pulled the zip line up to see the frayed,broken end.
At that point the chopper left
26
When Saul and victor got to the building, it was still locked up from the inside.
On the roof, the zip line was now hanging over the edge, Saul used it to repel down the building(this is the part in not 100% on)
I'll save the speculation...just want be sure I have the facts correct
Now that I'm a drill sergeant, I know most MOSs that are common across the Army. When I was on the line, I knew 31B from seeing them around post and from WLC. Actually, before drill school I knew most MOSs that we run into at work. I agree that a lot of us don't know MOSs by alphanumeric characters, but if he didn't know he, he could have just asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Not sure. It's hard to say right now simply because we don't know what those guys have been up to in general. Is there a good possibility? I'd say yeah. Probably. But evac would have happened early on and stopped pretty quick according to all survivors involved (Colony...hell even Saul within the first 9 hours) so how much information could they get if they are coming in from Irwin and going straight back to Irwin? Doesn't seem like many of these rescue missions went very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
And re: the Twin Tower collapse is something I mentioned last year after chapter 24 when people were saying there was no way Angel could survive in real life.
If there are survivors of the tower collapse, primarily Burt, I think that there are a few situations to consider.
1. Burt is bruised a abttered, but otherwise fine. If that is the case, does he still have shirly? cause if the mallers come a call'n and he is armed, then the rat meat is one of the mallers.
2. Burt is alive, but unconscious. Scratch will want to interrogate him with as much brutality she can muster without killing him.
3. burt is alive, possibly angel and some other random tower dwellers. They regroup, knowing where the others are flying off to and try to make a way to communicat and or signal a possible rescue if/when that should arrive.
FT. Irwin :
Though I trust that this place will not be as controlled as the colony, but we dont know who the Colonel is, and when the soldiers do contact him, he may not want to invite more survivors that may interfere with his power. Once bitten twice shy, I feel that FT Irwin is going not going to become home. though they may stock up on supplies and or form an alliance to take on the Mallers and the Colony . 2 on 2 sounds fair. There are also some "desert camo" choppers too, so it may be an opportunity to fuel up, get another chopper to scout with or even take the time for Peegs to teach Michael or someone to fly as well. Kelly will prolly get laid if thats what she want, I am sure those soldiers wont deny that basic needs either........
I hate to debunk all the hopefuls, and before you all hop aboard the Rage train and say I just don't like angel, I love Angel.
When the JGG (Jolly Green Giant) flew up towards the roof of the tower after the line snapped, They were trying to figure out a way to pick up angel.
Had they had time they could have done 2 things:
1)Gotten close and opened the door letting him get pulled in
2) Gotten as low as they could and have him grab on to the bottom of the chopper like the Zombie did.
While I do believe he is a alive for the Story's sake, There is on major thing that takes away from that hope. The last time they see angel is when they are trying to pick him up from the roof. Seconds later the last RPG sails past and hits the roof. If logic serves correctly; The chopper was as close to Angel as possible and this is the Same side of the roof as the Slack Zipline. I made a thread asking how much damage an RPG would do to a concrete wall with a person behind it.
he general response was the person would be Obliterated. Even if he did survive the blast there is 0 chance that he rappelled down for 2 reasons:
1)he is badly injured, Regardless of how much damage he took from the blast, he was most definitely thrown backwards into Bills New skylight.
2)The Blast most definitely broke the rope at the top of the tower. A small explosion wouldn't have done it. Bu this blast was large enough to be the Tipping point for the tower. Literally.
I think he is Alive. But he did not Rappelle down. Not a chance in hell.
you're right on most accounts but the last time he was seen was after the zip line broke. By the time the chopper was in the air, and got a closer look at the roof of the tower, he was no where to be seen. So he had a couple of minutes before the tower crumbled to make his escapeQuote:
Originally Posted by Paolo912
LOL dream come true hahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Greetings and salutations. Good first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paolo912
While there is basically no way to know what they could and couldn't see, it's implied that they lost visual contact with Angel because of the smoke they were flying in (also the reason why Pegs couldn't hold the helicopter steady....hurray for the principles of physics!!). Pegs was also swinging the helicopter away from their current location to avoid the incoming RPG and also to try to get better positioning for the rescue. It's not a lot of time, but it's enough time that Angel could have run to the stairs to get off the roof.
But the real point I'd bring against the obliteration concept is the RPG didn't hit the roof. It hit "near the top of the Tower" according to Michael (24 ~48:30 or so) which is what caused the chain reaction and collapse. While still not a pleasant experience, the shock wave would be dissipated by having to go through at least one outer wall, potentially multiple inner walls, and a ceiling (maybe even the stairwell) before it hit Angel. Same concept applies if Angel escaped the roof and returned to the Penthouse level. If it hit a floor below him, it would have to travel through just as much gak to get to him. Same level impact........well that would just be a big ol' ouchy.
But I agree there's no way he rappelled down the Tower. I feel like he road it to the ground.
My first thought when the Private recognized the serial number of the Green Rooster was that he had a buddy on the chopper. But I do like the theory that they were on the lookout for the serial number for some reason or another. Deserters, disguised spec ops unit, a group of scientists, who knows? Also Leedo yeah the suppressed MP5 is suspicious. There is no good reason for coast guard chopper pilots or the coast at all to have suppressed weapons for standard operations. If I remember correctly, California is one of many states where suppressors are illegal. So where the hell did that come from?
I think we need to question why the the bodies were left behind. I believe the hospital is the new arena, so the Z's have somewhere to bring the corpses to. But according to Scratch in the after the credits scene, most of the zombies ran off after the tower collapsed. But that was several hours ago. To me it seems that there was a good chunk of time for the zombies to come back and collect. Also they didn't even take Steven and crew from the car, who I thought were torn up by zombies. Was I wrong in how I interpreted that scene in chapter 24? Are the zombies up to something else? Is there some other secret about them? Is it as simple that they were scared off by the tower collapse and the Mallers searching the area in force? I am trying to come up with a reason but I can't. Maybe it is like the early chapters where the zombies took a few days to collect the dead. Maybe they are comfortable right now, thus not desperate to gather food. If they are comfortable then things are going their way...
Last theory on this is that maybe the biters take longer to come and collect when there is a large number of bodies...but they cleaned up the arena explosion relatively quickly...
Greetings Ra1th and Nick!
I started listening to WA in the middle of chapter 16.
Since then i've listened to the entire series more than 8 times. And yes i am dead serious. When each episode comes out i listen to it 6-7 times in a row.
And yes i do have a life :D
While i Nick's theory is excellent, I see 1 flaw. they were as close to angel as possible and the RPG hit the edge of the roof(abouts), this would be feet from Angel. They can clearly see him "There! There he is!"-Michael even through the smoke. I think that the wording of KC "I could no longer see Angel" is obvious that he didn't die but i doubt that he had time in the span of a single second that the RPG took to reach the tower to dive into the stairwell.
Sorry if i'm Being stubborn, None of my friends that do listen (and they are few) are devoted enough to have any actual theories.
At some point in this season i might see if i can find the time and motivation to pester Britt and get on WND.
Sorry ra1th, They see him before the Rocket hits, then he is gone after.
This thought just popped into my head; Scratch says she found what she was looking for right next to the person that was messed up.
What if Angel didn't grab everything from the desk, maybe there was something in the other drawer.Also, Unless he put it back at some point during chapter 24,Kalani couldn't have placed the Suppressed pistol (no, it's suppressed not silenced), so its not what Scratch found.The desk may have broken apart or something when it fell. He probably fell into Bills apartment.
Thoughts?
I want to dispel the myth that an RPG will seriously injure your if it hits a wall with you on the other side. An RPG hit the wall I was against in 2004, went off, and all I got was a headache. This was middle eastern construction which is not the best. Now I'm not saying there is no way an RPG is going to hurt or kill you if it hits the same wall you're on, but I know that it's survivable and in my case only caused a little headache.
Where are you getting they were as close as possible to Angel? They were as close as Pegs could physically get in the updraft of Kalani's fire, but that doesn't mean she was close enough to the roof that they were just feet away from each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paolo912
I realize that in real time, an RPG flies damn fast. But Kelly had enough time to ID the puff of smoke and about 4-5 seconds later the RPG hits the Tower (again, "near the top" not at the top). Near the top could be anywhere from floors 12-Roof IMO. Take a listen to the section again using my theory as a basis and see if you're able to piece the sequence together that way. I just did using yours (and maybe its because I'm far too set in my ways) but it became more of a "error/omission" to me than how it happened....like you were trying to give an explanation as to how he could survive despite having an RPG explode at his feet. I may be missing some of your finer points as I'm typing this sentence with my eyes closed....
And it's good to be stubborn. you'll fit right in 'round here. I'm generally here to poke holes in theories so people have to think harder. Except for Ra1th and his Angel love.....That's just sport.......or trolling...depends on your POV. :D
I love getting other opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I assume that the RPG hit near the roof because the rocketeer was aiming for the chopper, unless he was way off and didn't account for the drop of the rocket, it would probably hit very high. I'm not saying this is some kind of magical rocket sniper who can hit a target from 300 feet away, but close is close enough when you're dealing with explosives right?
While I'm going to stick with my theory, yours is sound. I guess we just have to wait and see what cards KC deals us. Worst comes to worst we can always just settle our differences by having a thunderdome fight. 2 men go in, 1 man comes out.
There was a general strike in Belgium on monday, so I worked from home. This means that yesteday (tuesday) my brain was wired like it was a monday. So, there was a funny couple of moments at 4 pm when I realized, in sequence:
1) oh look, the new WA is out. Cool, it's usually at 6 pm; 2) Let's go to the forums and thank KC for the early release; 3) Wait, 5 pages on the thread of the new episode which came out early?! That's str... 4) FFFFFUUUUUUUUU IT'S TUESDAY!!! I could have listened to it yesterday!! 5) ARGH! At least 2 more hours before I leave work and I can listen to it!! Damn! 6) Well, the bright side is: one day less to wait for the next episode.
KC, stop messing with my mind.
About the helicopter serial number, I'd go with the rescue option. They took off from the rescue points and brought people to Irwin, and that particular bird was lost to the zombies.
I'm of the opinion that Angel did not get obliterated by the RPG. Perhaps he was knocked unconcious by it and thereby forced to ride the rubble as the tower collapsed. I don't think it is impossible for him to survive the tower collapse, especially if he was on the top floor and could stay above the debris. At the close of chapter 24, after the credits, it sounds like Scratch and Bricks find someone (a lot of us are assuming Angel). When they see this person, even Scratch is taken aback at the shape he is in. My conclusion: Angel is alive, barely. He currently exists in a state between Blonde Pretty Boy and Meatwad from ATHF.
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Originally Posted by Paolo912
Mostly good points. What you propose could be done by a pilot specialist. Not someone who read a book, a couple of hours classroom and one or two hours actual stick-time on a different helicopter that is usually flown by a crew of 3. Add smoke visibility problems and disrupted wind patterns of a fire and a building and I do not see any Matrix-style rescues.
I am sill in favor of the repelliing option. The Mallers attacked from the north. The rescue building was to the south. If just the south side is collapsed ala Oklahoma City. Rather than a twin Tower collapse I can see Angel getting away by repelling down the southside but something went wrong.
Placement:
North
Maller sub-tower
Tanker / Chopper wreckage
The Tower's collapsed northface rubble all over the Tower's Tanker, unless they moved it between June and August
The Tower with East and West mostly in tact? Not sure.
Towers Intact south side
Angel
Burt
Rescue sub-tower
South
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In this model, Burt will be found first because he is furthest away from tower. When dust and smoke settle down, Angel is found.
Scratch says she found what she was looking for (Angel? people have speculated they have a past)
Scratch says put him back with the old M a/e n. I do not know if it was singular or plural
I do not think Scratch would say the save thing for a mostly dead Burt. Then again, all of this is speclation and I could say that "Shirely" is what Scratch was looking for.
But, what still bugs me is... How did the line break? All the destruction seems to be on the north side. So, I can accept the rope burning with some disbelief. But, the same amount of effort can lean me towards it was cut.
The Rope line is pretty high in the air. The air around the fire may be hot. But its heat capacity and conductive suck. If the rope is 10's of feet off the ground it would just laugh at the fire down there.
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Fk'n Aye Looney! Glad you made it brother.
KC, I think most of us said that they couldn't hang on the the skids (since there were no such thing on the JGG).
The question about what weapons the USCG carry.. I just backed my chair up and asked the USCG Commander sitting behind me. He says the pilots carry the Sig P226 or P229R. That's .40 mil. Attachment 1625 [ATTACH=CONFIG]1624
For CQB (Close quarter Battle).. or boarding missions they'll have a shotty or M4 variant. I checked out Wiki for further info (Commander wants to know why i'm asking.. not gonna say "um, Zombies." LOL) and it says the "deployable" units use and MK18, which isn't anything but a super short M16/M4. Attachment 1626 Still sweet as sh.... I'd love to get my hands on something like that. That way I don't have to relearn a weapons system. I digress.
So, No MP5's in the USCG inventory
the mk18, originally the M4 CQBR (close quarters battle reciever) has a 10.3 in barrel giving it the size of a sub-machine gun and lowering the muzzle velocity enough to make it effective in CQB. originally developed for the navy SEALS, it went through several variations, starting as a replacement upper for the SOPMOD block II and labeled the CQBR, it is now a standalone weapon system which the military has labeled the Mk18 Mod1. it's my favorite M4 variant.Quote:
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also, due to the modularity of the M16/4/AR platform, you could, in theory, carry a CQBR and an 18" reciever and just swap them out on the fly.
