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I have got to comment on the veterinarian posts where she would have scars from bites. My wife, father, 2 uncles, 2 cousins and a good friend are veterinarians. None of them have scars from bites. They obviously have be bit, scratched or otherwise injured by animals. If the animal is fractious or looks like it could be a danger they all don protective gear and/or sedate the animal. That is why the owners hold the animal during examination so they get bit by their own misbehaving pet.
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Originally Posted by trubkir
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I remember answering another post somewhere about how smart, fast, strong, zombies are made. One theory is a persons natural abilities makes them that way. Another is someone makes them that way, like Ink. What if Tanya was captured to be made into a smart zombie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandora
I've been gone from these forums too long. Just finished catching up with we're alive after being away from it while at school and I have to say this early theory is looking more and more reasonable. Maybe it is not a complete immunity but KC is definitely leading us towards something with that family due to Saul's strange reaction to being able to breathe in Ground Zero. It's almost like he knew he could breathe and was hiding something from Victor. And also Tanya's strange reaction when she was asked to get a physical. I think it's more than just she is scared, she definitely is hiding something that she thinks might show up during a physical.
Hopefully we find out more and soon.
Alright, here's my crackpot theory because someone mentioned military shots for Angel, Michael, and Saul. They got the anthrax shot series. The strand that the military used for that series is based off of cattle anthrax, or so that's how the story goes. Tanya is a veterinarian. She would most likely have had exposure to similar vaccines or access to them to treat cattle and sheep. That's my connection between Tanya and Saul. I think Tanya, after testing out some variants on others and then herself, just upped his immunity/resistance to this zombie plague since it's possibly related to an anthrax bacteria.
Ok, my steam has run out now...
The Captain *or whatever he was called* At the base in the first Chapter when Saul swerves to hit him as a zombie, he would have had the same small pox..right? Or do you just get that if you are deployed?that was never addressed tho but yeah if you have been deployed you prolly get some special shots. Lets Bstorm..Saul, Michael, Puck have been deployed..not sure about Angel. How would Tanya get those shots tho? Was Hope ever involved with the military? And suggested it? I dont know...I totally cant see Hopes big role. You guys are saying Hope will save the day...but I need answers!! Why do youthink this? Cause she has not done anything significant? IDK...I will think more...I am so tired I am typing with my eyes shut...and I am not checking my spelling or doing a reread..hope this makes sense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfargtle
my theory is that they aren't immune, but resistant. Remember when Tanya said that they had a case of prolonged turning in the colony? how do we know she didn't change some details around...how do you know it wasn't her and she didn't fight it off with the natural resistance plus the drug cocktail she gave saul?
it would make sense as to why saul was ok in ground zero too, the theory may be the drugs, but i have a feeling that it is the fact that he is resistant
I find it interesting that Saul can breath at ground zero, where I suspect you can get converted if unprotected, and Mama didn't turn (and I don't think she will)... Obviously an inherited immunity.
There's quite a long thread somewhere on this, have a scout about, there are good points on it.
Thanks again... seems I leave for a week and SO much is added it's impossible to find my way.... damn day job.
I'm saying, If it ever happens that Tanya goes to ground zero and she can breath. And also Michael goes and can't breath then definately something is up lol
you don't have to be in the military to get immunization for different diseases, if she worked as an aide worker of some kind in a third world nation, she would have received the same immunizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandora
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Originally Posted by Pfargtle
The last time the small pox vaccine was offered in the United States was early 1972. I was one of the last children to receive it as a vaccine. I got my second small pox in 1986 in boot camp. Its no longer given to new military recruits. I'm not sure if its offered even for over seas aide work as the last known outbreak was in Somalia in 1977. Its pretty much a defunct disease. I think the last known samples are Russia and the USA..
I got the smallpox vaccine in 1995, and then again in 2003. I think a couple of my co-workers got it in 2005. They're supposed to be good for 10 years, so I should ask my doc if I'll have to get it again. I don't mind, because NO ONE believed I got it the first time in '95 until they saw my shot records, so I'm willing to keep on getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
Thanks. It's paraphrased from a Redd Foxx joke I heard so it's not original.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
It's not a shot persay it's a series of shallow punctures that leaves a rather distinct scar the info I got was direct from the CDC and personal experience. Are you sure your not getting it confused with a tetanus vaccination.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellbringer
It could be a shot, It could be genetics, i'm still sticking to my guns that their is something fishy with that family "Victor Voice"
Or it could just be something to do with the IV drips. Saul clearly has one that we can assume aided him somehow. Tanya is a medical personal, meaning that she has access to a large variety of drugs both before and after her bite incident. It could just be coincidence that she was somehow on medication for something that prevents the zombie infection?
Oh no, I got that smallpox thingie. Like you, I got stuck a couple of times (3 the first time, I believe, and 15 for the follow-up). Shot records confirmed it and the medic at the time of the 2nd time saw the scar from the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
Occam's razor people, the simplest answer is often correct. They are naturally immune to whatever turns other people into zombies and will be a thread of hope for lasting human survival. I'm sure their blood will end up being used to develop anti-bodies.
Hope is the answer.
Stop making me repeat myself!
lol, I see a pattern developing with you....you seem to like Hope or something....?Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
(Personally, I think she's Micheal and Scratch's secret love child) ---not really, but WOW!, wouldn't that be something!?!?
While I am prepared to almost certainly be proved wrong, until I am, I will be maintaining my stance that in some way Hope provides some kind of antidote/immunity/vaccination. Gosh I’m stubborn!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
(When Riley and Vee hook up (just waiting for these scenes to be written), they will probably adopt Hope)
I'm new to this site and show I just finished listening to them all with my father. One thing we both noticed was that Saul and his mother seem to just know when someone is alive. Saul knew Burt or someone was in that room, Saul knew his dog was alive and ok same with his mother before the met up again but he also knew she was on that chopper, and Tanya knew knows Saul is alive I belive she said it already. Going back to Saul he had no way to know that the blood in the store from tar cutting Lizzy was her but he knew. I'm probably way off but I think that might be important and has somthing to do with them fighting off the infection.
Interesting point, reinforced by today's episode where Saul seems sure that Lady and his mother are okay. Are you thinking its some sort of psychic connection, or powerful wishful thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizzo1018
has anyone thought that since Tanya is "immune" that she figured out a drug cocktail to stop the transformation? She did say she "studied" several people in various stages of infection, WHICH would mean she used a variety of drug combos to see what will slow/stop/kill the infection!
I would also think she used herself as a guinea pig when she was bit and also used it on Saul after his injury to insure his protection against the infection...
Anyone think this is the most likely of the scenarios?
That is a very high possibility. If she had something that she believed could work, why not use it on herself after she was bit. And since it seemed to work on her, of course she would use it on her son Saul to keep him alive. Very high possibility thereQuote:
Originally Posted by COsurvivor
Can we confirm that Sauls first encounter with Zombie blood was actually at the very beginning when he first cut off the Zombies head in the garage of the tower? This happens in the first chapter. Saul was supposed to leave his bloodied knife down stairs but brought it up anyways, and he says he washed it off... but how I wonder?
That was the first time he had "close contact". Saul just said he "cleaned it off" so I doubt he used water. If it were me I would have just used a clean part of the clothes of the headless zombie.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
i have to say though, why now that she is under quarantine, she wouldnt shout this amazing cure from the rooftops! doesnt make sense... if she has the combination to slow/stop/kill the infection then kimet and micheal shouldve been the first people she shouldve told... i follow the theory that their (tanya and saul) blood line has a natural immunity to the infection. humans when turned act differently, some turn into normals others little ones, jumpers etc... so why wont a percentage of humans be immune ( thinking Will Smith in I am Legend). the total number of characters explored so far is pretty small compared to the earths populous.Quote:
Originally Posted by COsurvivor
i think its pretty much already written that lizzy's child will bring forth the cure/vacination for all remainig humans. i was thinking maybe lizzy gets attacked during labour, maybe bitten but baby arrives fine... dunno just speculation at this point!!
Thats been my take on it...about immunity and the baby...
I never fell for that drug cocktail theory, Saul was wounded for quite some time before his mom provided the anti-biotics, plus as mentioned above, there were other possible opportunities for him to potentially get infected, which he did not. I'm sure his immunity plays into the signifigance of the baby.
I've noticed that KC seems to constantly get zombie blood on Saul, yet Saul is so nonchalant about it. It's like he's trying to tell us he's immune and Saul knows it without just coming right out and saying it.
I'm a little late to the party but better late than never, right? One thing that seems to be mentioned several times - and forgive me if this has already been mentioned - is that Tanya has mentioned several times that she can not find any differences between the zombie's skin and blood samples and her own. Has she had a chance to compare them against another person's samples? I'm not sure if that is relevant but if there IS some sort of infection or latent immunity to the zombie disease (dunno what else to call it) then wouldn't it make sense that her blood would look the same as the zombie's? This could be more proof of that immunity.
Is it just me, or does Saul & his Mom have a natural resistance? Thinking of the close calls Saul has had, his reaction to ground zero, and his mom's wound... something is there that makes others think she should turn... Not everyone seems so resiliant.
Tanya actually says that the antibiotics were tried on the slow turner in Chapter 20. Also, note that she goes straight for the most powerful antibiotics she had available instead of building up to it with others. Another breadcrumb is CJ's suspiscion that the drugs have something to do with Saul's immunity at Ground Zero. Also supporting the drug solution is the fact that we have not seen evidence of anyone else being immune other than Saul and Tanya.
This raises some questions.
Lizzie's baby immunity? If Saul was born immune then this is plausible. If he is immune via drugs then this doesn't help the baby as he was concieved BEFORE Tanya arrives with the antibiotics.
If he was not born immune then how did he fight infection for so long? Is he a slow turner? If so then why did Tommy turn so fast? Is slow turnerism a genetic trait? Why didn't the antibiotics help the first slow turner? Maybe Saul wasn't infected after all.
Perhaps the alcohol in his blood slowed the infection. He was the MOST pissed drunk at the party.
Well shucks... I've been sitting on this because I missed out on the discussion during my on again, off again absence.
I think that the "genetically inherited" immunity is a red herring, and the immunity is actually simpler.
Anthrax Vaccination. If you are in the military and leave the country, you are going to get the Anthrax vaccination series. Tanya is a veterinarian and although all suggestions seem to point to her being a domestic pet specialist, I would say that it is possible that she also received the vaccination series. Usually, veterinarians that work with livestock will get them but LA is a big city with a lot of diverse cultures that may have "unusual" pets or even try to keep livestock at home. It may even be possible that Saul had the Anthrax Vaccination prior to the Army, working with his mom like he did.
Then again, maybe it isn't that simple. Tanya is old enough to have received the Small Pox Vaccination in her youth, Saul, like the Anthrax, would have received the Small Pox Vaccination before leaving the country for deployment. It could be a combination of the two. A trip to Ground Zero could sort it out. Michael, Muldoon and Robbins would all have had both, Puck not likely.
Good theory. They only folks we have 1st hand evidence of a Ground Zero are Saul and Victor. We have so little to go on for Victor, though, regarding whether any of these might apply to him. CJ's people went there and at least one turned but I think they all got sick. Little likelihood of any of them being overseas veterans? Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
We have seen other soldiers turn but no idea about their backgrounds. Several were Fort Irwin people and we know some from Michael/Saul/Angel's Guard unit as well. No direct information, but I have to think that since the Guard unit had at least 2 guys that had been over, they probably had others. Same for Irwin.
Anyway, I'm still not firmly in the genetic immunity camp. There are several things that Tanya and Saul have in common beyond DNA....
I think Victor and Pegs got a taste of Ground Zero when they strayed on their way to LAX. Poor victor has gotten it twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
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That's a good point and a complication for this train of thought. We know that at least one of CJ's crew was SWAT, s/he was on the convoy that got hit. I think it's likely that there were several cops and prior service at Dunbar.
The attack on Bell, the Reserve Base in the beginning... I have a feeling that it is likely that of that horde, many were the very Reservists that were trying to get there. I also suggest that they got attacked on the way to the Reserve Center rather than succumbing to the Inglewood Haze. Now, this could be chalked up as special pleading, but I think there might be a difference between succumbing to the haze and turning due to getting attacked... The soldiers we have seen or have evidence of turning were the result of direct attack.