Chapter 40-3 Monsters

[Unit]

But, given the stakes, is this a problem or a virtue? If she didn't try to (And I'm not saying she is succeeding) get the most out of the colonists, they'd all have run out of water, fuel, and goodness only knows what else. Like I said earlier on in this thread, she's damned if she's cautious and damned is she isn't.

As far as I can remember (though I do have an utterly terrible memory), we've only really seen CJ since the outbreak. And it seems to me that she has changed. To me, she seemed a lot more emotional with her tower folk, then she seems to have become harder and more cautious after that got Inked, and as time has gone on and limbs have gone AWOL, and now she's reaching breaking point on account of the colony's situation again, and she's starting to make more emotional decisions. I think how she is with Pegs is a slight indicator of that.

then again, perhaps I am just dead inside, so I get her

I guess I look at it from a different viewpoint. Perhaps if she let others take a little more control and initiative themselves rather than just following her to do list, they could have solved their water problem long ago. Maybe not, but I think it is a high possibility.

And I agree she has changed a little bit, when at Dunbar she had a big portion of people 'escape' and run away (how much more efficient and productive could they have been if those people had stayed?). It doesn't sound like they have had too many people bail on the Colony except Burt and Riley, and maybe if you count those who have left the Colony to be based out of Dunbar too but that is sort of a gray area.

Th thing that hasn't changed and again is the very reason I don't like her as a person/character is that she is still only looking out for herself. She does talk to Pegs, but mentions to Pegs that it might be better if some of the Colony members left so that the food and water would go longer (i.e. more for her and less for them). Look at this vs the contrasting method of Michael and Burt when they were still in the tower. They were running out of food and water, so they started rationing it out, to the point that everyone was complaining about how little they were getting, but everyone was still getting some and everyone got the same; each person was equally important.

There may be some benefits to CJ's methodology, but I think the cons far outweigh the benefits, and those cons become most evident when the crap hits the fan... and I think we are getting there soon.

[UndeadSweeper]

I guess I look at it from a different viewpoint. Perhaps if she let others take a little more control and initiative themselves rather than just following her to do list, they could have solved their water problem long ago. Maybe not, but I think it is a high possibility.

And I agree she has changed a little bit, when at Dunbar she had a big portion of people 'escape' and run away (how much more efficient and productive could they have been if those people had stayed?). It doesn't sound like they have had too many people bail on the Colony except Burt and Riley, and maybe if you count those who have left the Colony to be based out of Dunbar too but that is sort of a gray area.

Th thing that hasn't changed and again is the very reason I don't like her as a person/character is that she is still only looking out for herself. She does talk to Pegs, but mentions to Pegs that it might be better if some of the Colony members left so that the food and water would go longer (i.e. more for her and less for them). Look at this vs the contrasting method of Michael and Burt when they were still in the tower. They were running out of food and water, so they started rationing it out, to the point that everyone was complaining about how little they were getting, but everyone was still getting some and everyone got the same; each person was equally important.

There may be some benefits to CJ's methodology, but I think the cons far outweigh the benefits, and those cons become most evident when the crap hits the fan... and I think we are getting there soon.

I think you may be take a private conversation out of context. She sound more frustrate then want people to leave. To me its seem she was laid out all the option that were available, ever ought they wouldn't be taken, out to Pegs.

[LiamKerrington]

Didn't she wake up from surgery 4 months ago though? Or am I confusing the timeline?

Na, you are right. My statement addressed YABC's estimate that CJ would know R2Da2 for more than four months.

Liam never rocked, he might be called old as a rock though. *runs for cover*

Hiding won't help you. To quote one of the uber-coolest bitches from podcast-universe: "You better start running ..." (I hope you know who I quote here ... Else for certain: "You better start RUNNING!!!")

Best wishes!
Liam

[scbubba]

Hm, we both know these people, do we not?

Oh, indeed we do, my friend. Indeed we do....

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Na, you are right. My statement addressed YABC's estimate that CJ would know R2Da2 for more than four months.



Hiding won't help you. To quote one of the uber-coolest bitches from podcast-universe: "You better start running ..." (I hope you know who I quote here ... Else for certain: "You better start RUNNING!!!")

Best wishes!
Liam

Ah, you are such a lawyer (when it comes to counting the months).

[scbubba]

Love the back and forth on CJ that's in this thread. I've mouthed off about her character many, many times myself so it's good to see some others having the conversation...

I'm on the side that I think Unit is with respect to CJ: she's really just in it for herself and other people are around because they serve some purpose for her. I don't know if that's how she started (pre-Zday) or if it's what she became on Zday or if it's who she became after Ink's Dun-Bar-B-Que.

Where we are now is that she has decided that she is the smartest one on Team Human and everyone else needs to listen to her and do their jobs the way she says if things are gonna work right. She's shot herself in the foot (the one she had left anyway!) with Burt & Riley right away and a little later on with Michael. Even Datu was working behind her back on the Matagun.

Maybe she will end up with something redeeming but since we initially met her, and even in some of Kalani's flashback stuff, she's been mostly this same way and I, for one, don't like "her". I love the writing and the acting, don't get me wrong. If a character can elicit strong emotions from the audience, then something has probably been done very write by writer, cast, and crew.

[Unit]

I think you may be take a private conversation out of context. She sound more frustrate then want people to leave. To me its seem she was laid out all the option that were available, ever ought they wouldn't be taken, out to Pegs.

Perhaps, but perhaps not. She had no problem driving Saul and Victor away and 'banishing' them from HER colony because SHE couldn't trust them even though Victor and Saul helped save all those colony members. (Again making decisions that are detrimental to everyone else in order to serve her own best interests). So she has no problem kicking people out as long as she believes it serves her best.

And just like like I mentioned with the jokes about 'I don't have a pilot' and 'The queen will permit you to stay'. With every idle comment there is a hint of truth. She mentions the option because she has thought about it and considered it. She may not be likely to follow through with it, but based on experience and knowledge of CJ's character, if she comes to the conclusion that this is the best option for her then she will do it.

[Gnex]

I don't understand this CJ talk......... CJ is a horrible horrible monster........ Prolly where the chapter got its name from..........

CJ and Ink are working together........ Ink tells her that the zombies are hungry......... and then CJ send people out into bad situations with limited resources so they can be zombie snacks!!!!

[Gnex]

going back listening thru the story again...........

thoughts on skittles.......

During his time at Dunbar.... duncan/skittles sounds like a pretty normal guy.........

The first time we actually meet skittles(Angel, Riley, Datu) he is very crazy and erratic.... barely can care for himself....... only talks to Riley...... runs away screaming.... (this is all acceptable behavior since his entire tower was just taken/killed and it was his fault more or less)

The second time we meet skittles(Angel, Kalani) he is still a bit crazy, but you can tell that he is starting to come back to reality..... He remembers Angel and even thinks he remembers Kalani....... He is scavenging for himself.... helps with plan to kill the Behemoth..... changes a tire, etc, etc.....


My question/thought is........ When we meet skittles/duncan again are we going to meet a full recovered person??? Has enough time passed for him to return to the original Duncan??? Who was the original Duncan? What did he do? etc, etc, etc......

[Unit]

I don't know why but I have a feeling that we are done with skittles character. He has served his purpose and run his course in the story. I don't think his back story will be relevant enough to bring up, especially thins late in the show. Only so many chapters to wrap everything up.... There are more important things to resolve and questions to answer. Maybe they find his body somewhere and give him a proper burial or something at most.