Wnd #55

[Hoff4D]

Hi there,



excellent observation. Yes, true: Amy had an IV on her, although she did not seem to be heavily hurt. Maybe it was an IV with something to treat a shock or something? I am not a doctor. In what cases do people get IVs? I would think in cases of dehydration or in order to provide a steady flow of pharmaceuticals or shit, right?

About Amy's woundings: Amy just said she was not bitten, only scratched; she did not say she was attacked by a Little One - so actually we don't know what/who exactly infected her. Tanya applied several syringes into the tube connected to her arm in order to kill her. And Tanya also said she did not know how Amy got wounded or what caused her woundings, because did not tell Tanya either. So why would Tanya apply special antibiotics like the ones on Saul on Tanya without knowing what to treat or why to treat Amy with so many others who - according to Michael - were in a much worse condition? And right now I would not want to go as far as to think of Tanya playing a game here and hiding something from Michael or the others - like doing experiments or shit.

Best wishes!
Liam

I'm with you, I'm not sure what would require an IV short of dehydration or drugs, neither of which would be necessary from a bad scratch (in these times when supplies are rought), but I'm no doctor.

I also don't want to think Tanya is just trying shit and hiding it from Michael, but she has ALWAYS lied to him a little bit, right? She knew Saul was the injured and her son, but didnt tell Michael, just went with him to the tower. She lied about the 'scratch' she has, she actively asked michael previously if she could do some experiment back at the tower...etc. I don't want to paint tanya in a negative light, but I think she has her own beliefs on the outbreak and doesn't want to build anyones hopes up until she has some certainty. She's been analyzing the outbreak since we met her.

[LiamKerrington]

Now about Amy's turning, I'd like to tap the Autopsy in 33-3 ~11min mark, on the table Tanya notes the color of the Inkling's eyes as "Eyes: Hemorrhage in the left, the right fine, both light brown and normal, not like the other biters we've seen up close"
Yet michael notes on Amy's turning: "with every blink her eyes got darker and more cloudy..."

Wow. Again: Excellent observation. This combined with the theory that Little One's spread their shit via scratches ... OK, Looks like there are enough hints towards Amy being wounded by a Little One ...

As for the slow and fast turning: Fast turning takes place within seconds to a few minutes. Good examples for this are Tommy and fernandy. About "Slow Turners": we know those only through the reports by Tanya. And now - again - there is a new case of such a slow turner from the group of the Colony. Tanya mentioned several cases of slow turners when she was in custody in Irwin. And we only have cases of "slow turning" exclusively in the Colony. So the question would be: Why is that so? Is it the location? Or did Tanya and other medical personell treat the Colonists right from the start and thus make some more immune to the zombo-agent?
Now: Tanya told Michael she did not know anything about Amy's wounding; so did she treat Amy against zombo-agents, and if so: why without knowing?

I also don't want to think Tanya is just trying shit and hiding it from Michael, but she has ALWAYS lied to him a little bit, right? She knew Saul was the injured and her son, but didnt tell Michael, just went with him to the tower. She lied about the 'scratch' she has, she actively asked michael previously if she could do some experiment back at the tower...etc. I don't want to paint tanya in a negative light, but I think she has her own beliefs on the outbreak and doesn't want to build anyones hopes up until she has some certainty. She's been analyzing the outbreak since we met her.

Ok, haven't seen it. But I would feel bad if I challenged you on this one. Excellent observation ... Keep going and I will ask the forum to give you the special title of "WA Observer 1st Grade" ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[Hoff4D]

...As for the slow and fast turning: Fast turning takes place within seconds to a few minutes. Good examples for this are Tommy and fernandy. About "Slow Turners": we know those only through the reports by Tanya. And now - again - there is a new case of such a slow turner from the group of the Colony. Tanya mentioned several cases of slow turners when she was in custody in Irwin. And we only have cases of "slow turning" exclusively in the Colony. So the question would be: Why is that so? Is it the location? Or did Tanya and other medical personell treat the Colonists right from the start and thus make some more immune to the zombo-agent?
Now: Tanya told Michael she did not know anything about Amy's wounding; so did she treat Amy against zombo-agents, and if so: why without knowing?

Best wishes!
Liam

Yeah, I've seen the slow vs fast and am also confused as to the why, I just wanted to add that Michael boastfully once claimed how fast it happened, and looking back on it from the present...it was quite the foreshadowing, just something to note

[Hoff4D]

Ok, haven't seen it. But I would feel bad if I challenged you on this one. Excellent observation ... Keep going and I will ask the forum to give you the special title of "WA Observer 1st Grade" ...

Best wishes!
Liam

Yeah, once in awhile I stray from the crackpot theories (read: Polar bear cavalry, Prehistoric dinosaur zombie haze released by earthquake, Ink was the one who raped scratch...etc) and actually notice something worth mentioning, lol...


In addition to all this, I think Tanya's random experimenting and CJs experimenting at Ground Zero will culminate into some sort of resolution at the end. Like CJ said when Victor and Saul went there "Nothing.....is something"....The cracks and her teams that have been there has probably caused her to take notes no one knows about, she needs to survive long enough to say this stuff to Tanya, and Tanya needs to combine that with her tests and fight the pandemic. THEN CJ can die I think. Just like CJ with Victor and Saul monitoring the Colony, she never told Vic/Saul the possible holes she noticed until she had a plan, I think Tanya's the same way with the turners. She's trying things and has ideas, but won't tell everyone until she's certain.

Short version: CJ & Tanya combine their "Dont tell until its certain" ways and save the world, but CJ still dies. Sorry.

[Hoff4D]

I cant stay away...I keep relistening.

So...I know everyone has pointed out the struggle of who will head up the colony since it was brought up to michael that no ones runs the place right now, but I think we should pay attention to the sentence before that: "hey you said you wanted us to bring back that little ones body...they made us leave it at the gate..." followed by Michael's "It's alright, it's not like it's going anywhere". Foreshadowing anyone? I mean, we've had normals bring back the bodies of others during the night, now we've got smarter zeds roaming about with the bodies of their brothers in arms strewn about. Not sure what it will lead to, but I think it's something. I know Nik isn't much for the frankenzombie theory, but they could come back to gather parts!

Also to go with that is when Michael is asked "Hey, where's my kill" and he responds, "It wasn't dead, But we left it outside the gate"

We've got 2 Inklings bodies outside our walls. If Ink sent out troops to recover normal bodies, what would he do for his pride and joy bodies?

[EpiEpee]

I'm with you, I'm not sure what would require an IV short of dehydration or drugs, neither of which would be necessary from a bad scratch (in these times when supplies are rought), but I'm no doctor.

I also don't want to think Tanya is just trying shit and hiding it from Michael, but she has ALWAYS lied to him a little bit, right? She knew Saul was the injured and her son, but didnt tell Michael, just went with him to the tower. She lied about the 'scratch' she has, she actively asked michael previously if she could do some experiment back at the tower...etc. I don't want to paint tanya in a negative light, but I think she has her own beliefs on the outbreak and doesn't want to build anyones hopes up until she has some certainty. She's been analyzing the outbreak since we met her.

There are any number of reasons an IV could be used. As somebody pointed out earlier, it keeps an open line for drugs, for taking blood, and for replacing fluids (Blood or saline). It's possible Amy had lost enough blood from her scratches that Tanya was giving her saline or Ringer's solution to replace at least some of her volume. As far as drugs go, some drugs can only be administered by IV or that the only formulations they have left at the colony are IV formulations of drugs that also have an oral form. If they are as low on supplies as indicated before, it seems reasonable to me that they would have used the oral drugs previously, holding onto the IV formulations for a worst case scenario which we are now starting to reach.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to find out Tanya had been hoping to keep Amy from turning, and thought she could while keeping everybody else safe. I don't think she would put everybody at risk-especially because she would know in a triage situation like this that she wouldn't be able to keep as close an eye on Amy as she would need to.

[Arch_Will]

well i think Amy's screening process is evidence that Nurse Britt the Triage expert is alive and well and operating within the colony.

because of the whole fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me game, this is perhaps evidence of a Zombie conspiracy. Nurse Britt could well be a Zombie sympathiser... an "operative" so to speak.. perhaps a pawn gifted with the art of subterfuge and planted by TOWTM as a catalyst for the spread of the vile infection.
Nurse Britt is the Cat amongst the pigeons people.. and must be stopped by Michael and crew at all costs!

[scbubba]

There are any number of reasons an IV could be used. As somebody pointed out earlier, it keeps an open line for drugs, for taking blood, and for replacing fluids (Blood or saline). It's possible Amy had lost enough blood from her scratches that Tanya was giving her saline or Ringer's solution to replace at least some of her volume. As far as drugs go, some drugs can only be administered by IV or that the only formulations they have left at the colony are IV formulations of drugs that also have an oral form. If they are as low on supplies as indicated before, it seems reasonable to me that they would have used the oral drugs previously, holding onto the IV formulations for a worst case scenario which we are now starting to reach.

Working from memory here, but didn't Michael say "into the tube in her arm" instead of directly mentioning an IV? If so, that could have easily been a hep-lock instead. I've seen people get hep-locks hen the doc/nurse/medic thought that they may need to give injectable drugs or IVs in a hurry at some point. Never put one in or had one, but my ER friends say that they are pretty simple to start.

FWIW.

[EpiEpee]

Working from memory here, but didn't Michael say "into the tube in her arm" instead of directly mentioning an IV? If so, that could have easily been a hep-lock instead. I've seen people get hep-locks hen the doc/nurse/medic thought that they may need to give injectable drugs or IVs in a hurry at some point. Never put one in or had one, but my ER friends say that they are pretty simple to start.

FWIW.

Totally possible, and I don't have a chance to check right now either. We're probably making mountains out of molehills anyway, just thought I would try to be helpful where I might possibly have info for an outside the WA-universe question. :-)

[Red Shirt]

I think that Libby and Saul's son is reading this recap journal of the events to his children as a bed time story years after the end of the series.

I'm OK with the retrospective theory... but WA would be one messed up bedtime story.

SHOOT THAT BITCH IN THE FACE! G'night kids!

I wanted to add to this, Note that Tanya put the syringes into an IV already in place, not just jabs her with a syringe. With Tanya already saying once that they are low on supplies, why would someone with bandaged cuts be administered an IV?....unless perhaps Tanya threw her cocktail into Amy to see if it helps against the Inklings. As confirmed earlier by colonists, they never saw advanced kinds, and sauls contamination was not from a little one....So Tanya just learned that her anti-biotic cocktail only works on the regulars?

just some food for thought

For someone has or is suffering moderate to severe bleeding, it can be a field expedient (Combat Lifesaver) means to keep someone's blood pressure up and prevent hypovolemic shock without transfusions. Not without its own dangers though, it can excessively thin the blood. I'm not sure if Saul hooked CJ up to an IV, though if he had one he should have.

The drug cocktail that Tanya used on Saul I do believe was Azithromycin/Erythromycin and Clindamycin. She had only one bottle of each and used them up with Saul.