Wnd #55

[Witch_Doctor]

....Although neither Michael not Tanya makes a big deal out of it. Tanya obviously has to get back to doctoring and Mikey just takes a nap. Then when Michael wakes up, it's straight to the scene with Tanya and Saul working on CJ. So, maybe it'll come up after that.

The idea that the Little Ones are intentionally poisoning their finger nails is indeed a game changer. This points to a major intent to turn humans into new Little Ones as opposed to hunting and killing. We saw how effective the Little Ones were in Boulder and Fort Irwin.

We still don't have solid intel on the turn vs kill decision (or instinct?) of the Zeds but this line of thinking points to a very big intent to turn people vs kill them.

Brings up an interesting, potential, conundrum. How do you balance things when your food source is also your means of propagating the bloodline? How many do you turn vs how many do you keep in the pantry for dinner?

+1 SCBubba

Tough balance to keep indeed. I do remember that Captain Long was partially eaten (presumably by the turned Chinook crew). Those kind of body changes requires a lot of calories. Just makes you wonder what the end-game is here.

Also, anyone notice that the Little Ones are also smart? They run & hide, lured soldiers towards the tree-line etc... like a hunter-prey type of intelligence.

[Witch_Doctor]

Just thought of something. If the Inklings can talk and not just mimic then that would mean a level of consciousness that involves communication, i.e. the spreading of ideas, and also, other complex thought processes. If #1 was expressing its wish for Michael's death then that means:
1) It knows what death is.
2) It knows that it has a purpose, it's not just some eating/killing machine.
3) It knows that it can share its thoughts with others (hints that it is self-aware).
4) It knows, and likely uses words and language. (Still wondering how TOWTM is teaching them)
5) It has contempt for humans and can tell the difference between humans and its own kind.

[nikvoodoo]

Let's not forget we've potentially heard Little One's talk before. Lizzy's recording has a zombie talking. Once again, I do not have the luxury at present time to go back and check the voice but it's something we've potentially heard before.

There is also a possibility that it's TOWTM at the arena on that recording. Maybe it's just me and my assumptions about what the Little One's are and what they are capable of...I've kinda always thought they could talk. #1 talking just before being killed didn't throw me for too much of a loop for some reason. They were too advanced and too specialized to think they wouldn't be able to.

[LiamKerrington]

Hi there,

I think the trick with the Little One's speaking is that this is the first time we have a confirmation about it; before that it was not unlikely that they were capable of speech, but there was nothing pointing towards it; in fact any time we knew the survivors had to deal with Little Ones they made their weird noise-cries without articulating words in a language we or the survivors would know.

About the consciousness part: We know about zombs - not only Little Ones, but actually all zombs - that they behave with a certain, though small level of consciousness. In the garage of the tower Angel and Saul fought a regular zomb which hid for a short time; the Behemoths protected their heads against incoming gunfire; one of the zombs - maybe a smart one, maybe a regular zomb - observed one of the lines between the Tower and the neighboring building and "learned" that this would be kind of a way to get into the Tower; well, the Smart Ones, maybe Randy, and especially Ink behaved very consciously; the only two monsters which might be questionable about it are the runners and jumpers ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[Hoff4D]

With Amy(edited to clarify) being in the hospital, isn't there a possibility that Tanya slipped her the cocktail that she and Saul had taken? It would serve as a control of sorts to see if its the medicine or something in the family genetics.
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I wanted to add to this, Note that Tanya put the syringes into an IV already in place, not just jabs her with a syringe. With Tanya already saying once that they are low on supplies, why would someone with bandaged cuts be administered an IV?....unless perhaps Tanya threw her cocktail into Amy to see if it helps against the Inklings. As confirmed earlier by colonists, they never saw advanced kinds, and sauls contamination was not from a little one....So Tanya just learned that her anti-biotic cocktail only works on the regulars?

just some food for thought

[Hoff4D]

Challenge accepted, but let's make this the last one for this thread, it's way off topic. I'll start a new thread for just this subject.
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...imal-Menagerie



And meet a real US Navy SEAL (Dog) with their new high-tech combat vest

Never did I think my ramblings of the north having the militia to fight the zeds leads to us tapping yet ANOTHER brilliance of CBP, well played sir. I know you wanted to move this to another thread, but I felt it necessary to give you at least one more nod *slow clap*

[Hoff4D]

I isolated the clip of the little one saying "We're Alive" So everyone is listening to the same thing, It sounds like it says We're Alive to Me!

Victor heard it say We're alive so the is NO Arguing it, it is FACT!


http://podcastnerd.com/Zombies_Alive.mp3

Appreciate the snippit for everyone to listen to over and over again and dissect, but I still think the only confirm-able word in there is the last word "Die" anything before that is hard to discern, but I dont think we get any confirmation from victor on what he hears either really

[LiamKerrington]

Hi there,

I wanted to add to this, Note that Tanya put the syringes into an IV already in place, not just jabs her with a syringe. With Tanya already saying once that they are low on supplies, why would someone with bandaged cuts be administered an IV?....unless perhaps Tanya threw her cocktail into Amy to see if it helps against the Inklings. As confirmed earlier by colonists, they never saw advanced kinds, and sauls contamination was not from a little one....So Tanya just learned that her anti-biotic cocktail only works on the regulars?

just some food for thought

excellent observation. Yes, true: Amy had an IV on her, although she did not seem to be heavily hurt. Maybe it was an IV with something to treat a shock or something? I am not a doctor. In what cases do people get IVs? I would think in cases of dehydration or in order to provide a steady flow of pharmaceuticals or shit, right?

About Amy's woundings: Amy just said she was not bitten, only scratched; she did not say she was attacked by a Little One - so actually we don't know what/who exactly infected her. Tanya applied several syringes into the tube connected to her arm in order to kill her. And Tanya also said she did not know how Amy got wounded or what caused her woundings, because did not tell Tanya either. So why would Tanya apply special antibiotics like the ones on Saul on Tanya without knowing what to treat or why to treat Amy with so many others who - according to Michael - were in a much worse condition? And right now I would not want to go as far as to think of Tanya playing a game here and hiding something from Michael or the others - like doing experiments or shit.

Best wishes!
Liam

[LiamKerrington]

Appreciate the snippit for everyone to listen to over and over again and dissect, but I still think the only confirm-able word in there is the last word "Die" anything before that is hard to discern, but I dont think we get any confirmation from victor on what he hears either really

Yeah, Victor only asked: "What? What was that? You hear ... ?"

[Hoff4D]

Which is true; but having several specifically mentioned victims on which the turning took a few or even more minutes does not establish a rule - at least not the general case, right?
And the slow-turner-subject is one of the many - maybe even important - things to be discussed on the show. They became important with Tanya mentioning them; they are important with all our theories regarding Tanya, Saul, and maybe even little Henry in terms of a certain blood-type or blood-factor or genetic quality of this family-blood-line, which may have the potential to slow down, if not stop, the zeeh.factor.

We don't know, when exactly Amy was hurt - and how actually. It might have been just a few minutes before she was brought to Tanya's medical center; but it even could have been the few hours Michael mentioned, which passed between the initial zombie-attack on the Colony and the last ones being killed by the soldiers. So if the second case or something between both extremes might be true for Amy, then she could or should be considered a slow-turner. So: What would make her different from the average guy next door being either insta-deathed by zombies or turned into one in a few seconds up to minutes? And how it comes that any case of "slower" turning zombs have a direct link to The Colony?

Ok, Tommy took some more minutes, and he had nothing to do with the Colony; but is his case so obviously different from the average zombie-turning? I don't think so, because his mood and attitude changed rather quickly back then - right from the helpful young guy to an aggressive moron.

So, these things keep my mind busy right now ...

Best wishes!
Liam

I'm not sure how this is contributing to the theory, but I did want to point out somewhere in the first season I believe (cant go back yet to pinpoint it, but I'm sure one of the geniuses here will find it) where Michael defends someone who had a run-in saying "No no, it happens faster than that!" which I've always viewed as foreshadowing of the zeds eventually turning into a slow-turning situation, or one single slow-turn instance that would bite us in the ass later...just some story fodder to back up where we are and came from.

Now about Amy's turning, I'd like to tap the Autopsy in 33-3 ~11min mark, on the table Tanya notes the color of the Inkling's eyes as "Eyes: Hemorrhage in the left, the right fine, both light brown and normal, not like the other biters we've seen up close"
Yet michael notes on Amy's turning: "with every blink her eyes got darker and more cloudy..."

I'm not sure where to go with this, but we've definitely noted Inklings as having normal eyes, and Amy's are at least seemingly abnormal, unless they were in mid-change to brown and got cloudy first, but that's doubtful. We've always theorized the scratches come from inklings and the bites/blood contact from normals, as far as turning goes. But this might punch a hole in that, or we're over-analyzing Amy and she was actually bitten by a normal and lying. But as we all say, Kc doesn't do these things accidentally...