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[LiamKerrington]

so you're saying that people don't have a right to self defense? i'm asking because that is also a principle of natural law.

I wrote this, but I am not saying this. I just say: In a minority of cases even self-defense may go horribly wrong. There is no reason to question self-defense in general, though. That's why I clarified that I don't like sticking with "extreme" examples. They may be able to emphasize certain problems; but they won't help answering fundamental questions of principle.

What I do here is no less then testing the different borders of this topic.

You mentioned too many people are being shot in the wake of revenge or self defense. I don't understand this statement. Please clarify? As revenge and self defense are two very unrelated things

You are right. Self-defense and revenge are two very different things. And I am sorry that I put them both together, although they have nothing to do with each other. And truth is, some people tend to act irrationally out of misunderstandings to avenge their hurt or false pride - maybe even with guns. It is needless to say that this kind of action is shit. Meanwhile other people act in self-defense. And in both situations things may get out of control; this is what I intended to say.

As for quoting The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. Yes, it is a fantasy-fiction; it is nothing else but a huge fairy tale. But it is written by a J.R.R. Tolkien, who was more then just a fairy-tale-storyteller and who did more then just write a fantasy-novel. And although Gandalf, who I recited, is as fictitious as the tale, there is much truth in the words Tolkien gave him and I recited.

All the best!
Liam