Chapter 35-3 The End is Near

[LiamKerrington]

i don't think they fortified all 16 blocks look at the pic of the colony

http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/a...tachmentid=285

but then again that picture only shows one side so maybe

Just imagine: In the beginning several hundred people lived in the Colony - according to Marcus. And also consider the size of Liberty Park. This picture - if it is a "real" depiction of the colony - may only show a part of one of the walls surrounding it. Thus this picture actually supports none and any idea about the size of The Colony. Could be 16 blocks, could be less. No idea. When Michael entered it the first time, I remember the mentioning of "one block" in size ... But Liberty Park alone has the size of one block. Maybe The Colony is more around 9 blocks - like the eight blocks surrounding Liberty Park ... I guess I better stop theorizing ... Would someone tell me, how you US-boys and -girls define "one block"? In the case of Liberty Park, would be the "one block" between Westminster Boulevard, Trask Avenue, Newland Street and Beach Boulevard - like these seem to be main roads? Or would be one block anything that is completly surrounded by any street, making "one unit of block" quite small?

*sigh*

[SmokeyZombified]

There aren't any walls around the main base at Fort Irwin, just a barbed wire fence with cattle grates at the crossing points. But there are very effective choke points on every access route to the base that could be turned into giant kill zones, and enough space to conduct an effective defense in depth.

Thanks for the always excellent input CabbagePatch, so basically your saying if they can't hold the choke points "They're fucked"

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

I still do not get it how fast the fortification was build. I mean, in order to build the fortification -> you need either heavy equipment or masses of people. Either way, you will attract zeehs by the inevitable noise. I simply cannot imagine the sheer lost of lives while constructing / reinforcing the colony's walls.

And if the colony spans more than just Liberty Park, I hope they did secure the intake / discharge pipes. Well, it does not matter if the behemoths start playing Bomberman within the colony.

[Cabbage Patch]

Thanks for the always excellent input CabbagePatch, so basically your saying if they can't hold the chock points "They're fucked"

It really depends on what's been happening around Fort Irwin during the period since the outbreak.

Thanks to its experience in Iraq and Afghanistan the US Army has become expert at rapidly building fortifications using Texas Barriers (concrete walls assembled from pre-fabbed sections) and HESCO Barriers (pre-fabricated mesh forms that are filled with dirt, rocks, etc. to create walls). Theoretically they could have built a wall around the entire base in the time they've had, assuming the materials, the fuel and the manpower were available. We already know they had Texas Barriers around the transient barracks at Fort Irwin.

Texas Barrier


HESCO Barrier

[love bump]

Just imagine: In the beginning several hundred people lived in the Colony - according to Marcus. And also consider the size of Liberty Park. This picture - if it is a "real" depiction of the colony - may only show a part of one of the walls surrounding it. Thus this picture actually supports none and any idea about the size of The Colony. Could be 16 blocks, could be less. No idea. When Michael entered it the first time, I remember the mentioning of "one block" in size ... But Liberty Park alone has the size of one block. Maybe The Colony is more around 9 blocks - like the eight blocks surrounding Liberty Park ... I guess I better stop theorizing ... Would someone tell me, how you US-boys and -girls define "one block"? In the case of Liberty Park, would be the "one block" between Westminster Boulevard, Trask Avenue, Newland Street and Beach Boulevard - like these seem to be main roads? Or would be one block anything that is completly surrounded by any street, making "one unit of block" quite small?

*sigh*

as i said already mate it only shows one side so maybe they did or maybe they didn't. yes it is a real description of the colony, kc would not have put it up as cover art for chapter 18 if it were not.

how big is a block this will answer it

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_one_city_block

[LiamKerrington]

as i said already mate it only shows one side so maybe they did or maybe they didn't. yes it is a real description of the colony, kc would not have put it up as cover art for chapter 18 if it were not.

how big is a block this will answer it

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_one_city_block

It's cool. Didn't mean to question you. And thanks for the article.

[Chadzero]

Speaking of fortifications. Have we discussed all the traps leading up to the colony that were already in place?

I know that they were well marked, which makes me wonder if Ink/Randy were able steer the Zarmy around them, or if they just didn't care due to their large numbers.



-Happy turkey day!

[scbubba]

Speaking of fortifications. Have we discussed all the traps leading up to the colony that were already in place?

I know that they were well marked, which makes me wonder if Ink/Randy were able steer the Zarmy around them, or if they just didn't care due to their large numbers.



-Happy turkey day!

I wonder if they were still in place. It could be that several were used/destroyed over time with the Mallers taking over and maybe they weren't too keen on keeping them up. The Mallers seemed pretty intent on watching the people inside the walls as much as outside the walls.

[Red Shirt]

S..t just got real, y'all. Redshirt is back.

...but only just...

Turns out I'm moving after all, but under different and slightly better circumstances.

**

Been reading this thread here off and on since it started and there's a bit of commentary I want to through out there, things that I didn't comment on right away.

Artillery:
1) At Irwin, they would not have been training with live fire, their training would have only been maneuvering in combat. Therefore, there would have been no ammo for them.
2) Artillery is useless against Zombies. Three words: Battle of Yonkers. Weather they are Romero, modern, R.E. or KC zombies, arty is useless against actively mobile individuals. It is meant for large static targets: bunkers, buildings, ect

Bradleys and reactive armor:
1) It is likely the zed heads are getting in through the crew hatch on top. It is usually used for reloading the missile tubes and is rather large. Probably the easiest to pry open.
2) Bradley armor is mostly aluminum and ranges from 1-3 inches thick in most places and 4-6 inches cumulative equivalent in a few others.
2) Reactive armor is optional for Bradleys, rather dangerous and would not have been available for training purposes, much like the artillery.

Zombie Farts:
Methane is colorless and orderless, Hydrogen Sulfide is what makes flatus stinky.

The one aspect of this that is bothering me is the overuse of conventional weaponry as opposed to improvised techniques that would be far more effective. Such as mixing bleach and ammonia to create poisonous gas

Conventional weaponry is conventional because it WORKS. Alternate and improvised methods are not more effective as you assert, they tend to be unpredictable, inconsistent and generally sloppy. Your example, mixing bleach and ammonia releases chlorine gas. Chlorine is an "industrial gas" and elemental as well. As it turns out, industrial and elemental gases are NOT filtered by the M40 ProMask, the gas mask that would be in use by the personnel at Irwin.

A military aircraft from Deus ex Machina-stan will fly over to investigate the results of a fail-safe nuclear device. Season 4 will involve a trek to this or another safe zone that was kept in secret by Col. Kimmet.

My thoughts too. Return to PanTex? NM Tech? NORAD finally peeks out of their hole and we decide to go there?

[Deacon_Tyler]

...but only just...

Turns out I'm moving after all, but under different and slightly better circumstances.

**

Been reading this thread here off and on since it started and there's a bit of commentary I want to through out there, things that I didn't comment on right away.

Artillery:
1) At Irwin, they would not have been training with live fire, their training would have only been maneuvering in combat. Therefore, there would have been no ammo for them.
2) Artillery is useless against Zombies. Three words: Battle of Yonkers. Weather they are Romero, modern, R.E. or KC zombies, arty is useless against actively mobile individuals. It is meant for large static targets: bunkers, buildings, ect

Bradleys and reactive armor:
1) It is likely the zed heads are getting in through the crew hatch on top. It is usually used for reloading the missile tubes and is rather large. Probably the easiest to pry open.
2) Bradley armor is mostly aluminum and ranges from 1-3 inches thick in most places and 4-6 inches cumulative equivalent in a few others.
2) Reactive armor is optional for Bradleys, rather dangerous and would not have been available for training purposes, much like the artillery.

Zombie Farts:
Methane is colorless and orderless, Hydrogen Sulfide is what makes flatus stinky.



Conventional weaponry is conventional because it WORKS. Alternate and improvised methods are not more effective as you assert, they tend to be unpredictable, inconsistent and generally sloppy. Your example, mixing bleach and ammonia releases chlorine gas. Chlorine is an "industrial gas" and elemental as well. As it turns out, industrial and elemental gases are NOT filtered by the M40 ProMask, the gas mask that would be in use by the personnel at Irwin.




My thoughts too. Return to PanTex? NM Tech? NORAD finally peeks out of their hole and we decide to go there?

Apparently conventional weaponry didn't work too well at Irwin OR Boulder

...hence the unconventional suggestion