Chapter 31 Family Ties Part 2

[daredevil]

Just a thought. At the end of the episode, Briggs tells Burt that he'll bring the Doctor to look at his hand. (Burt, says that it doesn't matter, though.) So, the Doctor examines Burt. She's never seen him around before, they chat....
Does the Doctor inform Burt of Lizzy or does she inform Lizzy of Burt? Of course it will more than likely be an inadvertent comment that captures, either Burt's or Lizzy's attention. OR, KC could screw with us and neither Burt or Lizzy catches on to the clue that the other is there.

So, guys, tear into this thought. What, if anything, do you think will happen?

I think they already know

[Osiris]

I think they already know

But if they knew, Scratch wouldn't hold all the cards. If they keep them separate she's got more options open.

[werewolf]

I think KC is going to keep us suspense for a bit. He probably go back to Fort Irwin. just to mess with us. lol.

[Vlarken]

I'm in agreement with werewolf. He's done that quite a bit this season... However, I don't know what plotline there is left to cover at Fort Irwin. So maybe we'll just keep going with Saul, Victor, and CJ as they sneak into The Colony. Hopefully they'll rescue both Lizzy and Burt.

[7oddisdead]

I think they already know

they don't...at least Lizzie doesn't.. Thats what (I think) bricks was keeping from her at the doctors visit.

And I'm all for more doctor Belmont!

[wh33t]

I finally re-listened to the episode. I had to build up some courage to be able to hear Scott Marvin crying like that again. I wanted to come back and share some more thoughts and I apologize if these have been shared already. I was trying to keep up with this thread but I missed one day and it went from like 12 pages to 29.

I have a strange feeling that CJ, Saul and Victor's trip will not be smooth sailing at all. I base this mostly upon KC's twisted and malevolent world he's created for us. What really are the chances of anything ever going to plan or working out smoothly. In fact, that would be a great new thread. The "Stuff that actually went down how it was supposed too or better" thread, the first thing I can think of right now is ... Saul and Angels first resource run where they discovered Burt.

I've also thought a bit more about how Angels dad could be the one who abused Scratch when she was younger and probably a lot kinder. I'm starting to rethink this now based upon the fact that Angel has such hostility towards Scratch. Angel was a pretty decent guy and if he knew the full story about what happened with his father and Scratch I would think he would have been more sympathetic to Scratch earlier on when they first meet at the Tower in Season 1. There is some dialogue that goes down between Scratch, Latch, Michael and Angel in the lobby of the Tower. I'm sure Angel would have recognized her pretty quick from the scars, and we're all pretty sure Scratch recognized him. So that's that bit I want to throw out there.

I still think we are going to learn that Ink is in the family in some way or another. I, for some reason think of Angel as being Italian. Do we know this somehow? Or is that just because I looked up the last name Tanudo and saw a bunch of Italian related material? If he's Italian, chances are all of the families are Italian. So now I'm thinking Italian mafia. I would think of Italian gangsters wearing "pimp pin stripe suits", but that's just me. Couple this up with Durai seeming to know what to expect and predict about the Zombies, and his adamant determination to destroy the Arena (after all, why would and/or how would an Ex-con be so motivated to thwart the Zombie uprising), you'd think being some kind of pimp gangster you would care more about yourself or just your crew, but doing something that risks your own well being and the well being of some of your best troops for everyones well being seems a bit altruistic. We also can't forget the direct hint that Scratch even mentions that Durai understands what's going on in regards to the creation of the little-ones... What do you think?

I've also gotta give more cred to KC for the incredible accuracy in the full title of this radio drama. "We're Alive, a Story of Survival". After what Lizzy has gone through, Riley, Pegs, Kelly, Saul, Burt etc... I just sometimes step back and go "wow, they all must really want to keep breathing because that would really suck and there is such little hope for anything".

[VEE]

I see where your coming from, but, did u ever think that maybe he has a psychological problem, kinda like the movie castaway with Wilson the volleyball?
. Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)

There is no evidence of that. So no, I don't consider it. I understand a deep emotional attachment to an inanimate object, I just think it was overplayed, and agree with an earlier post, that being shot with his own gun would have been a 'better' idea.

[wh33t]

There is no evidence of that. So no, I don't consider it. I understand a deep emotional attachment to an inanimate object, I just think it was overplayed, and agree with an earlier post, that being shot with his own gun would have been a 'better' idea.

Just curious what you would consider evidence.

[VEE]

Just curious what you would consider evidence.

All he does is call his gun the same name as that of his deceased wife, and gets upset when it is smashed. People have names for all sorts of things, from their cars to their genitals, and that is in no way evidence that they believe that these things are actually people. At no point during any of Burts dialogue have I thought it odd how he refers to or talks to, or about, his gun. Now if he was having long conversations with it, planning the future with it, making little clothes to go on it, asking its advice and generally being noticeably odd then that would be evidence of “Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)� but I don’t think that has happened, also, Burt has shown himself to be pretty solid and strong for the most part and being completely bonkers doesn’t seem to fit the character at all. He’s been a prisioner quite some time now, as others have pointed out, beaten, starved etc. and all without his gun, he may well have already resigned himself to the fact that he had lost it forever, perhaps the emotion portrayed was nothing to with the gun at all, just that he hadn’t had it for so long and, as Yarri was saying, didn’t have that reminder of his wife that he used to carry with him, until Scratch turns up, with this reminder of his wife, and smashes it to bits. All very sad, but isn’t evidence.

[wh33t]

All he does is call his gun the same name as that of his deceased wife, and gets upset when it is smashed. People have names for all sorts of things, from their cars to their genitals, and that is in no way evidence that they believe that these things are actually people. At no point during any of Burts dialogue have I thought it odd how he refers to or talks to, or about, his gun. Now if he was having long conversations with it, planning the future with it, making little clothes to go on it, asking its advice and generally being noticeably odd then that would be evidence of “Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)” but I don’t think that has happened, also, Burt has shown himself to be pretty solid and strong for the most part and being completely bonkers doesn’t seem to fit the character at all. He’s been a prisioner quite some time now, as others have pointed out, beaten, starved etc. and all without his gun, he may well have already resigned himself to the fact that he had lost it forever, perhaps the emotion portrayed was nothing to with the gun at all, just that he hadn’t had it for so long and, as Yarri was saying, didn’t have that reminder of his wife that he used to carry with him, until Scratch turns up, with this reminder of his wife, and smashes it to bits. All very sad, but isn’t evidence.

My mistake. I should have clarified. I wasn't asking for which you would consider evidence that Burt believes the gun actually is his wife. I was curious what you would consider evidence that he has a "psychological problem".