Chapter 31 Family Ties Part 2

**Jordan531** · Jul 10th, 2012, 02:30 PM

Excellent episode, i loved "you thought a few scars were bad..." "heh, im still prettier than you. Hehheh".Burt is absolutely my favorite character and has been since he was intro'd...as soon as the hammer came out I was like "oh, nononono" and then Shirley O_O, it was heartwrenching knowing how much I love some of my gun collection and that it was a memory of his wife

::::. I know it's been said but my first thought was "bet he's left handed". And even if he isn't, between being a Marine vet and comp shooter he can sure as hell shoot lefty. I don't shoot nearly as often as I'd like but I always practice weak hand. And although I don't remember them explicitly stating what Burts dominant hand it, Scratch made a point of saying "now for the left one" before Bricks stopped her.

I can see (hear?) it now...."forgot one thing scarface.....I'm left handed." BOOM!

I hope Burt destroys her, she tortured him ,took his finger, and symbolically beat his deceased wife.

**RYE** · Jul 10th, 2012, 02:38 PM

This was a tough chapter it brought me back to the forums after a long break. I really feel for Burt. Scratch is evil and her time is coming there are only two acceptable outcomes.

1) She get it from a biter. (I keep dreaming Ink has his way with her, but I dont see that. It would be really satisifying!!!)

2) Burt gets his revenge. During the escape I see Saul/rescue party coming across Burt. Not being able to leave his cell, due to injury or locked door/chains he asks Saul for a pistol and waits knowing Scratch is going to be on a warpath in the escape. I can already see him sitting in the corner waiting.... waiting... a smile on his face. Waiting for old scarface....... Burts revenge.

**Miss** · Jul 10th, 2012, 04:30 PM

throughly enjoyed this eposode, actually season 3 has been my fave so far,
@Rye both options I could see happen........though I could see Burt going to LOOK for Scrach instead of waiting for her, though I have a theory that Bricks is sick and tired of all the BS and tells Lizzy about Burt and she talks him into letting her into see him and the 3 of them hatch a plan and as they are doing the plan Saul and Victor show up with Glenn and shortly after they show up Mike and Rilley show up! ok so I havent come up with a reason why Mike and Rilley have shown up but it gets them back together

**Osiris** · Jul 10th, 2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Miss

throughly enjoyed this eposode, actually season 3 has been my fave so far,
@Rye both options I could see happen........though I could see Burt going to LOOK for Scrach instead of waiting for her, though I have a theory that Bricks is sick and tired of all the BS and tells Lizzy about Burt and she talks him into letting her into see him and the 3 of them hatch a plan and as they are doing the plan Saul and Victor show up with Glenn and shortly after they show up Mike and Rilley show up! ok so I havent come up with a reason why Mike and Rilley have shown up but it gets them back together

God, I hope not. That'd be a waste of 3 seasons.

**IamPaul** · Jul 10th, 2012, 06:05 PM

Great episode. Finally getting to see an underling stand up to Scratch. I am more and more standing firm on the Mallers climax this season. It just seems to me it is all coming to a dramatic end. Can I be the first to claim that? I did a few episodes back, and got almost no support. Maybe we won't hear from Ft. Irwin until the season finale.

**Dyhoerium** · Jul 10th, 2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by RYE

2) Burt gets his revenge. During the escape I see Saul/rescue party coming across Burt. Not being able to leave his cell, due to injury or locked door/chains he asks Saul for a pistol and waits knowing Scratch is going to be on a warpath in the escape. I can already see him sitting in the corner waiting.... waiting... a smile on his face. Waiting for old scarface....... Burts revenge.

Wow, I love that idea! Burt's my favorite, but I might actually be okay with that kind of ending for Burt.

**Osiris** · Jul 10th, 2012, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by IamPaul

Great episode. Finally getting to see an underling stand up to Scratch. I am more and more standing firm on the Mallers climax this season. It just seems to me it is all coming to a dramatic end. Can I be the first to claim that? I did a few episodes back, and got almost no support. Maybe we won't hear from Ft. Irwin until the season finale.

I got pretty sick of Ft. Irwin. Frankly, I'm happy for the reprieve. As for whether or not it'll be a Maller climax... I hope not. They've been the "antagonists" since the beginning. I don't think I could stomach a season of Michael bitching endlessly, Saul storming off every two minutes, and Burt whining about his finger. When there's no more Scratch & co. I'm done listening.

**Osiris** · Jul 10th, 2012, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ray

I ask the mods, why is this allowed? Why are you allowing Osiris to attack me again? I've said nothing to this person, and yet they still treat me this way. I'm coming very close to quitting this community simply because of this one forum poster. I've said nothing malicious, evil, mean, derogatory, or inflammatory to this person since I've been posting and yet I'm still attacked. I really enjoy this podcast and the discussion around its twists and turns, but I'm very unhappy that you, the mods, allow someone to do this time and again. I'm sick of this persons childish behavior, ignorant attacks, and general hostility. Why do you tolerate this person acting this way? Are you all like this person? Disagreements are fine, personal attacks and rudeness aren't ways to treat other members and this should stop immediately.

Originally Posted by Ray

You're going to be really enthused when she uses that child to get information from Saul. Scratch isn't noble, she's a psychotic murderer and there's more than enough proof to show it. Also, how is Pegs a piece of shit? Sounds like your feelings are clouding your rational judgement. Pegs didn't want to shoot John, and only did so to protect an unconscious Michael. Scratch has shot at least one person in cold blood (the dude she blamed for having the tanker stolen), and she beat some dude pretty severely for just looking at her in a store. She's no angel, and we've heard nothing that indicates otherwise.

Wow, you mad. Maybe if you didn't bitch constantly, I'd be more inclined to read your posts. But your digs are pretty cool there, bet you feel vindicated thinking that it bothers me. Truth told, I still didn't read all this shit and probably never will.

Originally Posted by Stuv

Can I ask (and am not being sarcastic, just trying to understand) what would Scratch have to do for you to acknowledge that she has proven to be evil and sadistic. I understand that her brother was killed but he was not murdered. He was killed in clear self-defense. She visited terrible acts on people long before he was killed. I just don't think we can give her a free pass because she has had a difficult life. Many people have terrible childhoods and upbringing and rise e above it to do good. Again I am not trying to be confrontational Osiris honestly, just trying to understand.

I was trying to post in reply to Osiris. Sorry I stuck this in the wrong spot.

We've been over this, and over this. But you're relatively new, so I'll give you the basics of it.

The entire story goes back to the shot heard around the world. Burt shooting out the mirror of the tanker truck during the pissing contest between Scratch and himself, back in season one. Put two stubborn people in a locked room and see how long it takes before they go at each other. From there everything escalates, like you read about. We all listened, so we all know how it happened, most of us just choose to take a blind eye to it all and live in denial because of the way the story was introduced to us: The Tower are the 'good guys'.

The long and short of the Latch saga is simple. Her brother was murdered (self-defence being arguable) and like anyone else--argue this if you like, but I'll stand behind this to the day I die--she wanted blood for it. Justifiable 100%. As far as what 'made' her 'psychotic,' we still don't have all the details on that. You can say it was being repeatedly raped by a member of 'the family' but truth is, we still don't know. We don't know if it's simply the light she's being portrayed in or not. We're all very much guessing (I don't care what anyone says, the story isn't finished and the story itself is inherently biased, deal with it) at this point, and will likely see the series finale leaving us with a lot of unanswered questions.

You want to know what will make me say "Oh snap, dat bitch craycray" then have her butcher the newborn. Until then she's just a girl out looking for blood to repay a debt. Eye for an eye, bitch. You're all calling for it. You're all quite righteous in your beliefs that she's wicked and must be punished. I say "Whatever you need to say to get through the night." Personally, I hope she gets Pegs and wears her skin by the series finale.

P.S. You never came across as confrontational, bro. It's all good.

**Cabbage Patch** · Jul 10th, 2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Osiris

The entire story goes back to the shot heard around the world. Burt shooting out the mirror of the tanker truck during the pissing contest between Scratch and himself, back in season one...

As always, a fascinating and compelling case. Why does it remind me of this?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzt409x8L14