Chapter 30- Short Term Memory Part 3

[7oddisdead]

Am I right in that I heard Glenn say that Roman now had a number on him? What happens you get bit by a little one and a tattoo forms?

Also I forget who beat me to it but I am HIGHLY of the mindset that Glen and Pete are either tracking northern survivors for the Colony or being watched. I mean the only time we can recall the Mallers letting prisoners go is when they have a special task for them (information) or when they were over run by Ink and his crew and just decided to bail.

So how is it that an old man with communications experience (highly vital) and Pete (well he is pete) were able to walk right out from under the mallers grip? And shame on CJ for not thinking of that sooner. As paranoid as she is you'd think that would be priority number 1 especially having heard where they are from and having known what that place was about from Victor.

On a personal note I hope the little ones don't become Bohemeths. I like the idea of multiple variations of zombies out there. I want to see more Jumpers and Fast ones (maybe some we haven't even seen before). Gives us some variety to the run of the mill undead.

a few have mentioned in a couple different places about how could pete and glenn, seemingly two important people job wise leave.
glenn was the communications guy, who among the mallers was their communications guy? tardust. now, how well do you see tardust and glenn getting along? not very.

pete ran a shop...as in trading post...store..so a group of rowdy outlaws come rolling into town..what would you expect to happen at the "shop"?...yea. at the point the mallers took over, the "cushy" jobs became the unnessacary ones.

the thing im dying to know is which of the trio that left the colony came up with the idea to leave first? i want to believe glen/pete are on the up and up...but i could totally see a scenario where pete was 'gotten to" and glenn is an unwitting supporter to aid pete once they left...see above as to why glenn would be expendable in the mallers eyes..the great unknown in this is what if the roman guy was actually the mole?

and now for a lil crackpot action

what if......the Litte ones are born of behmoths? we do have evidence of behemoths in the basement of the hospital. we also have points in which the little ones are around the big ones exclusively. if you trace back all the things we know of the two types and look at it from a parents/children angle it makes sense...even if its crazy talk

[Adventureless_Hero]

Meatless?!!! Come on people,....Kc just handed you a brontosaurus burger with a side of whale slaw!! All shoot 'em up, all the time gets old. My advice,...learn to appreciate the nuance. I'm sure you like (or hate) a lot of the characters for the simple reason that you've gotten to know them through the "slower" parts of the episodes. This episode gives you a heck of a lot if you read between the lines. First, Saul, CJ, and Victor have been shackled up for 3 months or so. Saul has now officially spent more time with these two than anybody else from the original crew, meaning, bonds have been created. A lot REALLY did go down this episode as some have you have noted. Not that I'm bias because I AM, but I liked where Kc took this one. Plus, there's a lot to figure out about these damn "little ones", and it's nice to gave Glenn and Pinche Pete back! Well, there you have it,...will you like some fries with that?

I'm glad you brought up the fact that more than a couple of months have passed since the trio at Dunbar apartments was shacked up. Three months in Z-world is like 3 years. Bonds have been made, which is why I was just as surprised as Saul was when CJ grew a layer of ice over her heart. I can tell she is hiding her true emotions by trying to be as logical as possible. But like Saul said, "She's right." They need a plan. Saul has his heart in the right place. I love nothing more than for the hero to go charging in to the castle to rescue his love, but this isn't a fairy tale. Homeboy would get killed.

I also have to give kudos to Victor. He's really transformed into a loyal buddy. He has never met Lizzy, but he's already willing to go back to the place he barely managed to escape by the skin of his teeth just so he could see his friend reunited with the girl he loves.

I agree that this entire chapter was meaty; it wasn't a BK Steakhouse burger but rather a gourmet steak to be appreciated and savored in slow bites. If you want a heart-stopping, artery clogging burger revisit chapter 24. (Shit, now I'm hungry, lol!)

From here, chapter 31 seems like it could go anywhere. I think we could start off at Ft. Irwin viewing these passed few events from Michaels reports, getting to know what his team was doing in L.A. Or it could pick up in the Colony with Lizzy writing in her diary. Or shit, this seems unlikely, but it could even make a departure and go to Boulder, though I very much doubt it. I feel like the book has closed for those characters for the time being. My hope is, that the story will pick up at the Colony.

[nikvoodoo]

they didn't just walk right out, i believe glenn said they spent months planning their escape.

also, i don't think little ones become behemoths because we've had behemoths from almost day one and the little ones just showed up a few months ago.

I remember a few months ago watching a TED talk from Jack Horner who is America's foremost palentologist. He stepped through a number of species of dinosaur we've assumed were different until he asked the logical question: How come we don't see the children and adolescent versions of these creatures?

The reason being is in some instances like Triceratops and Torosaurs are actually the same animals...just younger. But because Triceratops were discovered first, it was considered it's own creature and this small "puny" Torosaur couldn't possibly be the same thing. But he has taken strides to prove it's the same thing.

I feel like it's the same idea. Just because we hadn't seen the Little Ones first, doesn't mean we have a new species of zombie. Roman is pretty much the missing link to me. If he turned into what was described as a little one (#12 dead in the field) and to me he sounded different than he did the night before, I'd say it's almost a slam dunk that the little ones are adolescent Behemoths.

And for your viewing pleasure here is Jack Horner's Ted Talk:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jack_horner...dinosaurs.html

[Adventureless_Hero]

I remember a few months ago watching a TED talk from Jack Horner who is America's foremost palentologist. He stepped through a number of species of dinosaur we've assumed were different until he asked the logical question: How come we don't see the children and adolescent versions of these creatures?

The reason being is in some instances like Triceratops and Torosaurs are actually the same animals...just younger. But because Triceratops were discovered first, it was considered it's own creature and this small "puny" Torosaur couldn't possibly be the same thing. But he has taken strides to prove it's the same thing.

I feel like it's the same idea. Just because we hadn't seen the Little Ones first, doesn't mean we have a new species of zombie. Roman is pretty much the missing link to me. If he turned into what was described as a little one (#12 dead in the field) and to me he sounded different than he did the night before, I'd say it's almost a slam dunk that the little ones are adolescent Behemoths.

I can see how that could be in fact taking place in the Z-world. Perhaps Behemoths came to exist from Little Ones who were never witnessed as they grew up. But when I think back to the hospital episode in which Riley and Kalani came across the "devil's workshop", I couldn't help but noticed there appears to be two separate rooms. In one the duo witnessed a chair where various tools lay on a table near by; a tattoo pen, a couple of ink wells, and I believe some shears (presumably for the Little One's Claws).

Then there was a separate room that had a bloody bed (or was it also a chair) in which the door frame to the room had been smashed open as though something big had passed through. That, to me, suggests the Behemoths are created almost instantaneously. But, it's poor evidence. That's just the direction my mind is leaning towards.

I'm still going with the idea that these different zombie incarnations are different steps in a process to create the perfect zombie soldier in Ink's undead army.

[reaper239]

I remember a few months ago watching a TED talk from Jack Horner who is America's foremost palentologist. He stepped through a number of species of dinosaur we've assumed were different until he asked the logical question: How come we don't see the children and adolescent versions of these creatures?

The reason being is in some instances like Triceratops and Torosaurs are actually the same animals...just younger. But because Triceratops were discovered first, it was considered it's own creature and this small "puny" Torosaur couldn't possibly be the same thing. But he has taken strides to prove it's the same thing.

I feel like it's the same idea. Just because we hadn't seen the Little Ones first, doesn't mean we have a new species of zombie. Roman is pretty much the missing link to me. If he turned into what was described as a little one (#12 dead in the field) and to me he sounded different than he did the night before, I'd say it's almost a slam dunk that the little ones are adolescent Behemoths.

well, see i don't think so because look at this: it's been six months since we first saw a little one with a number on it, and after all this time they have only managed to get taller, not bulkier, and not giant sized either. and we first saw the behemoths within the first couple of weeks. plus we've never had a report of a behemoth with a number on it, and i think that would be kind of important, "big ass zombie, big ass number on its wrist, hey, i think that might be important."

[Adventureless_Hero]

well, see i don't think so because look at this: it's been six months since we first saw a little one with a number on it, and after all this time they have only managed to get taller, not bulkier, and not giant sized either. and we first saw the behemoths within the first couple of weeks. plus we've never had a report of a behemoth with a number on it, and i think that would be kind of important, "big ass zombie, big ass number on its wrist, hey, i think that might be important."

I agree. The numbering of the Little Ones should be higher if we've already encountered some Behemoths, no? Plus, Angel and Kalani never mentioned spotting any tattoos on the Behemoths when they looked one over rather well. BUT, in all fairness, tattoos don't stretch well. *insert 60 year-old tramp stamp image here*

[nikvoodoo]

well, see i don't think so because look at this: it's been six months since we first saw a little one with a number on it, and after all this time they have only managed to get taller, not bulkier, and not giant sized either. and we first saw the behemoths within the first couple of weeks. plus we've never had a report of a behemoth with a number on it, and i think that would be kind of important, "big ass zombie, big ass number on its wrist, hey, i think that might be important."

Someone a couple pages back pointed out that the tattoo would have been huge and distended past the point of recognition. Sorta like that joke that when you are young you get a tattoo of Madonna and when you're older it looks like Marvin Hamlish.

The first behemoth we saw was there within 2 months. Not weeks. We first saw a behemoth at the end of June/early July. If the little ones are still being made, the ones we are seeing could be still growing. For all we know behemoths are an accident. If they are being numbered for the purpose of keeping track of versions it could be that Behemoths are the accident, but the 6'7" skinny powerful version might be what was being sought after in the first place.

[Cabbage Patch]

It seems like the specialized zombie types have only shown up around LA. Why so few and so limited a range? Could the Little Ones be part of a captive breeding program? An organized effort to increase behemoth numbers?

[Adventureless_Hero]

For all we know behemoths are an accident. If they are being numbered for the purpose of keeping track of versions it could be that Behemoths are the accident, but the 6'7" skinny powerful version might be what was being sought after in the first place.

Hallelujah! That's exactly what I've been thinking. I am currently nursing the theory that Ink is tinkering with human dna and the virus in his Devil's Workshop. I would venture to say that the Little Ones are his babies; made from his blood and some genetic tampering. That's why he's numbering them. They are versions of him.

[Z Sniper]

I'm glad you brought up the fact that more than a couple of months have passed since the trio at Dunbar apartments was shacked up. Three months in Z-world is like 3 years. Bonds have been made, which is why I was just as surprised as Saul was when CJ grew a layer of ice over her heart. I can tell she is hiding her true emotions by trying to be as logical as possible. But like Saul said, "She's right." They need a plan. Saul has his heart in the right place. I love nothing more than for the hero to go charging in to the castle to rescue his love, but this isn't a fairy tale. Homeboy would get killed.

I also have to give kudos to Victor. He's really transformed into a loyal buddy. He has never met Lizzy, but he's already willing to go back to the place he barely managed to escape by the skin of his teeth just so he could see his friend reunited with the girl he loves.

I agree that this entire chapter was meaty; it wasn't a BK Steakhouse burger but rather a gourmet steak to be appreciated and savored in slow bites. If you want a heart-stopping, artery clogging burger revisit chapter 24. (Shit, now I'm hungry, lol!)

From here, chapter 31 seems like it could go anywhere. I think we could start off at Ft. Irwin viewing these passed few events from Michaels reports, getting to know what his team was doing in L.A. Or it could pick up in the Colony with Lizzy writing in her diary. Or shit, this seems unlikely, but it could even make a departure and go to Boulder, though I very much doubt it. I feel like the book has closed for those characters for the time being. My hope is, that the story will pick up at the Colony.

Hey Adventureless, I gotta agree with you. A lot of little things to savor on this one. I mean, isn't this the first time we see Saul actually admit he's gotta think things over? Has our Saul gone and grown up? *getting all teary eyed*