Does Kalani get a pass?

[reaper239]

The world is ending. The rules have changed. But there is always hope. Just as we all hope (maybe all of us) who listen to this story that our favorite characters will make it out alive. Any parent holds out hope that their child who has been abducted is still alive and not buried in a shallow grave in some pedophile's backyard. As a father, who is also untrained about what to do when held and forced to do something at gun point, I understand Kalani's motives and would have done the same with that hope (however delusional) that I would get to see my child again.
If giving him a pass means forgiving him, then I give him a pass.

that's a good point, as a father you want to protect your children, so with this situation in mind (which happens even outside of the zombie apocalypse on the southern US border as one example) will anyone go out and seek some kind of training on how to defend themselves and their families, whether with firearms, a knife, or even knowing how to disarm an enemy? it's an interesting thing to think about: criminals don't care about laws, and they are every where, so the question now is that with this brought to the forefront, will anyone do something about their relative unpreparedness? i know i will certainly be taking some self defense classes and firearm training and the like to ensure that i am prepared to defend myself and my loved ones should the need arise.

[Osiris]

The world is ending. The rules have changed. But there is always hope. Just as we all hope (maybe all of us) who listen to this story that our favorite characters will make it out alive. Any parent holds out hope that their child who has been abducted is still alive and not buried in a shallow grave in some pedophile's backyard. As a father, who is also untrained about what to do when held and forced to do something at gun point, I understand Kalani's motives and would have done the same with that hope (however delusional) that I would get to see my child again.
If giving him a pass means forgiving him, then I give him a pass.

This is truth.

[Osiris]

that's a good point, as a father you want to protect your children, so with this situation in mind (which happens even outside of the zombie apocalypse on the southern US border as one example) will anyone go out and seek some kind of training on how to defend themselves and their families, whether with firearms, a knife, or even knowing how to disarm an enemy? it's an interesting thing to think about: criminals don't care about laws, and they are every where, so the question now is that with this brought to the forefront, will anyone do something about their relative unpreparedness? i know i will certainly be taking some self defense classes and firearm training and the like to ensure that i am prepared to defend myself and my loved ones should the need arise.

Ever shot at someone? Or been shot at yourself? Training is one thing. Reality can be quite another.

[yarri]

Ever shot at someone? Or been shot at yourself? Training is one thing. Reality can be quite another.

But with training it reduces the chance of freezing in an armed conflict and or shooting your own foot off. I'd rather take the chance then watch my family members assaulted in a home invasion.. which unfortunately happens way to much in this country. (4 doors from my father's place in Portland an older couple were beaten half to death by an armed group of thugs that robbed them)

[Osiris]

But with training it reduces the chance of freezing in an armed conflict and or shooting your own foot off. I'd rather take the chance then watch my family members assaulted in a home invasion.. which unfortunately happens way to much in this country. (4 doors from my father's place in Portland an older couple were beaten half to death by an armed group of thugs that robbed them)

Yeah, that sort of thing is common where I live as well. I've been shot at. I've had my house shot at. I've been in a variety of armed conflicts with individuals and I've watched people (with training) curl into the fetal position and cry for their mothers. Stress affects EVERYONE differently, and just because you may have training with a weapon doesn't mean you're going to react to the stress any different. I've also seen people who are untrained handle themselves as if they had done 9 tours in a jungle somewhere in Vietnam. All training means is that you are familiar with the equipment you are using and have a relative calmness when you are faced with situations like 'shit, it's jammed' or 'I need to reload'. The only thing that will prepare you for having a gun shoved in your face is having a gun shoved in your face by someone who wants to use it on you. For the record, yes I have had a gun shoved in my face by someone I was certain intended to use it. One of the scariest moments of my life.

[yarri]

Yeah, that sort of thing is common where I live as well. I've been shot at. I've had my house shot at. I've been in a variety of armed conflicts with individuals and I've watched people (with training) curl into the fetal position and cry for their mothers. Stress affects EVERYONE differently, and just because you may have training with a weapon doesn't mean you're going to react to the stress any different. I've also seen people who are untrained handle themselves as if they had done 9 tours in a jungle somewhere in Vietnam. All training means is that you are familiar with the equipment you are using and have a relative calmness when you are faced with situations like 'shit, it's jammed' or 'I need to reload'. The only thing that will prepare you for having a gun shoved in your face is having a gun shoved in your face by someone who wants to use it on you. For the record, yes I have had a gun shoved in my face by someone I was certain intended to use it. One of the scariest moments of my life.

I thought Canada was safer then the U.S. HOLY shit!

[yarri]

Yeah, that sort of thing is common where I live as well. I've been shot at. I've had my house shot at. I've been in a variety of armed conflicts with individuals and I've watched people (with training) curl into the fetal position and cry for their mothers. Stress affects EVERYONE differently, and just because you may have training with a weapon doesn't mean you're going to react to the stress any different. I've also seen people who are untrained handle themselves as if they had done 9 tours in a jungle somewhere in Vietnam. All training means is that you are familiar with the equipment you are using and have a relative calmness when you are faced with situations like 'shit, it's jammed' or 'I need to reload'. The only thing that will prepare you for having a gun shoved in your face is having a gun shoved in your face by someone who wants to use it on you. For the record, yes I have had a gun shoved in my face by someone I was certain intended to use it. One of the scariest moments of my life.

I thought Canada was safer then the U.S. HOLY shit!

[Nate Eeez]

Yeah, it's more about experience than training. Grow up in a rough neighborhood or family, you develop skills to survive in that environment. You develop relationships. Your family. Friends you consider family. Bonds through similar struggles. It can be about "ownership". What's mine, you can't have and I'll do whatever I have to to keep it safe and keep it mine. You take it from me I'll do whatever I have to do to get it back. That's a basic instinct for survival. Some people have a stronger instinct than others.

[Osiris]

Yeah, it's more about experience than training. Grow up in a rough neighborhood or family, you develop skills to survive in that environment. You develop relationships. Your family. Friends you consider family. Bonds through similar struggles. It can be about "ownership". What's mine, you can't have and I'll do whatever I have to to keep it safe and keep it mine. You take it from me I'll do whatever I have to do to get it back. That's a basic instinct for survival. Some people have a stronger instinct than others.

holla

[trubkir]

Your arguments still haven't changed my stance on not giving Kalani a pass. I understand and accept the parental aspect of your arguments and I will accept them up to a point. What would your stance be, for the tower people, if Kalani had been outed as the rat and they forced him out or shot him on the spot? I also have another question. If Kalani is touted as being a good father and doing anything for his daughter is Samantha a scum because she bailed on Hope? I have to admit I am slanted because Kalani rubbed me the wrong way right from his introduction.