Chapter 28-Last Dying Breath Part 2

[sailorangel59]

I believe that Tanya is suffering some sort of PTSD, and the military personal asking for the tower group to come with them for physicals activated a bad memory for her. We don't know much about what happened between the day of the event and when she was introduced. Anything could've happened to her before the colony, at the colony, etc. So something very minor could bring back a flood of bad memories, like in the case of any person who went through a traumatic event.

I am going to back away from the idea that she is infected, because she has been around too long since the Randy incident to have not turned, but I can see the side of the argument where Saul is immune to the virus, maybe his Mother is as well.

On a different note, I have a feeling Victor (Vickie) is done for, just a theory/fear that Victors oxygen tank/equipment is not attached right.

[GeneTwo]

I dont know why people are putting the WA tower on a pedestal.

Michael's Tower: The group bonded together, sacrificing themselves and cooperating in order to keep the family alive and together.

Look up dysfunctional in the post apocalyptic zombie dictionary and it will have a picture of the WA tower. By family you probably are thinking of just the main cast right. The WA tower had defectors too, I think 2 of them, under Burts watch. Did anyone care? Did they have a memorial on the roof like before? Nope.

CJ's Tower: The 'assembled individuals' splintered, each cutting and running to save his/her own ass, and were destroyed as a result.

Why does everyone forget about Burt abandoning the tower and the person that saved his life (twice) and kicking out LIzzy. I think Burt is part Teflon. Blame doesn't stick to him. CJ's had a group of trusted people. Randy, Sean, The leader of the second convoy, and maybe the person in charge of the gardens. Michael only trusted Saul and Angel (barely). The survivors of CJ's tower also sacrificed themselves trying to save Samantha. From what we know about Samantha, all she did was do the laundry, nothing important like fixing generators or helicopters. Michael left a dude locked in his room while the tower came down.

[Wheaticus Rex]

Greetings all,

Just some thought's in response to this episodes comments, I haven't gone back to look at old threads to see if they've been addressed previously there...

1. So I was kind of drunk when listening to C.J.'s opening episodes and I'm going to roll in Skunkan into this as well.

-If we assume that Ink is the center of all of this, we know that he was at a mental institution, as quickly as Skunkan cracked who's to say he wasn't there with Ink, maybe there was a fond connection, even psycho's like people sometimes. C.J. could be a detective associated with the capture of Ink, and Ink 'crushed' on her. I think Hope was rescued and not left alone.

2. Tanya and Saul's immunity...

-So it was suggested why would the Gatekeeper let Tanya stay with the physicals and all. If you think about it, the physicals are only given when you ENTER the community. Once they learned they had a doctor, there would be zero chance they would ever let her leave the gates, so the gatekeeper would never see her again in that manner. If she were bitten by the test subject then she could hide it and no one would ever know.

3. Pinstripes and the bulletproof vest...

-Why would anyone not think that Pinstripes wasn't a zombie? Not even that, after knowing that zombies 'drop like rocks' when shot in the head, why not address every kill on any person as a head shot? A shot to the chest... would it have stopped a normal zombie? I think they just got sloppy.

4. Artwork and the M249.

-I would imagine that if Saul throws the SAW over his shoulder, he's not holding it by the barrel, he'd be holding it by the butt-stock or pistol-grip. Either of these method's would allow for easy swing down and set up for use, even massively inaccurate hip-firing. The artwork is just bad.

Just my two cents.

[sailorangel59]

I dont know why people are putting the WA tower on a pedestal.

[INDENT][INDENT]Michael's Tower: Why does everyone forget about Burt abandoning the tower and the person that saved his life (twice) and kicking out LIzzy.

To be fair, Burt didn't kick Lizzy out, she kicked her self out under the guise Burt was doing it.

[GeneTwo]

To be fair, Burt didn't kick Lizzy out, she kicked her self out under the guise Burt was doing it.

Thats my point, Kelly and then Steven pointed out that there was a "click" in the leadership.

[nikvoodoo]

Thats my point, Kelly and then Steven pointed out that there was a "click" in the leadership.

I'm pretty sure Kelly pointed it out far earlier than Steven ever did. The red shirts of the Tower had to realize early on there was a social/leadership pecking order and they were not really a part of it.

Their tower wasn't perfect, but as we've seen thus far no living situation is perfect in this story: The Mallers lived in a strip mall which was full of piss poor defenses, the Other Tower despite it's advanced security fell faster than any other group we know of, The Colony is all great and wonderful so long as you drink this Kool-aid and don't mind an authoritarian dictator at the helm, and we don't quite know enough about Ft. Irwin yet to really understand what that situation is like. The Tower, despite all it's flaws, held up pretty damn well under the circumstances.....

......with a lot of luck of course.

[GeneTwo]

Pinstripe thinks CJ is a better leader than Michael.

Pinstripe had to thin CJ's troops down before the main attack. Pinstripe had to take CJ's tower with dozens of zombies maybe hundreds.

How many troops did Pinstripe need to take the WA tower. Just one.

I wouldn't use which tower fell as proof of leadership. CJ's tower is still standing (literally).

I think everyone has the rolls reversed. CJ is the commander to Michael's Sergent. Michael even admits this. Michael is the day to day leader. CJ sees the bigger picture. Think back to when Michael was explaining the chain of command. Whenever the group gets back together I could see CJ and Michael fighting over leadership but in the end CJ as the leader.

[Pikepaw]

First I will speak of my thoughts on the bulletproof vest theory. First, these aren't your typical zombies from other media, they are very unique. We have no proof they rise from the dead, a better termed would really be "infected" for them. Burt shot the Jumper in the chest and it died. There are several other incidents where they had to have been shot in the center mass and still dropped. It is just that head shots kill them for sure, and quicker. Enough trauma to the heart will still kill these zombies, since you when you let loose with a full automatic, you can't reliably get headshots all the time. Also in the live We're Not Dead, KC did confirm that you don't have to shoot these zombies in the head to kill them, though it is nice if you do.

So it is reasonable to try and find multiple reasons why Pimpass got up so easily after being shot. Maybe he did have a vest, which if I understand bulletproof vests correctly, are not as effective against knives. When Saul brandishes his blade, Pimps high tails it. Of course that might be because Saul would have gone for his eye or throat as well. When Michael describes Pimpass getting up, he notes two burnt holes in his shirt. No blood, and it wasn't holes in the chest, it was hole in the shirt. Sounds like a vest to me. But I will also accept this arrow catching fiend is just that tough. By the way, ability to catch an arrow on the fly is inhuman...creeps me out every time I think about it.

Just need to put in my two cents about Tanya. Nikvoodoo can go to the penny store again. My very first coherent thoughts were that she has some wounds from Randy, it is the only source which makes sense to me. The colony is too long ago in my mind. But Randy is recent enough that Tanya might be a slow turner. She never mentioned how long it takes for one of those to turn. However, considering how long they were away from Saul, most of guess it is at least a week to turn slowly. If Tanya is a slow turner, only she would be sure of the signs. Also the infection might be messing with her mind. Remember Tommy, just before he turned, became a real dick, trying to shove off Lizzy who was only trying to help. I do find it strange though if Randy did infect Tanya. She was chained to the bed right afterwards and one would assume they checked her over. But there was also not a real conclusion to that, just a line from Michael in Chapter 24 that she is up and working.

Only other explanation that I find reasonable is that Tanya's burn is suspicious. I can't think of why she would be apprehensive about showing it though. Yet this is a guy who shows off his scars, so it is a different mindset. I will say, if Tanya turns in a zombie, it will very depressing when Saul meets up with the main group again...and we thought he was mad when Lizzie was taken, this is his mamma!

[wh33t]

I hope Victor doesn't die. That does seem plausible now. Damn, I really liked him from the beginning.

[Cabbage Patch]

Think positive. Saul lives. Victor lives. The last dying breath is Pinstripes, courtesy of all the ammo so kindly donated by CJ.