Characters You Hate!

**nikvoodoo** · Feb 17th, 2011, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ra1th

hahah for the record, i do have a one track agenda, and that is keep the angel haters at bay, and undying support for the maller/tower alliance theory, (at least till disproven (and then i'll find another theory to support all the time!))

but also, good insight on the hate characters for a reason thing, and with that, there is no excuse that i hate datu for being a whiny bitch (its justified for him) but if i may say so, i find Lizzie annoying for her overprotectiveness of saul, which is NOT justified. there is no compelling reason for that attitude, in fact both of those characters take foolish and irrational actions and stances when it comes to protecting each other, lizzie blaming angel for not saving saul, when the blame is equally michael and burt's fault. and saul was getting ready to tear michael's head off for lizzie passing out during the chloroform and mug the zombies operation. i can understand protectiveness to a certain degree, that would be expected, since they are in a serious relationship, but these guys both overdo it. saul's pretty hilarious tho, so he's not really annoying, im not all that attached to lizzie, so she gets put in the annoying corner.

Saul and Lizzy suffer from acute puppy love. Try to pull apart any 8th grade couple and see how well that works. Ultimate example? Romeo and Juliet. That worked out well for those two didn't it? After working on that production for 7 months, what I take out of that show is how stupid and rash R+J act.

Lizzy specifically suffers hard. For a therapist, she is exceptionally unaware of her own inner demons. She identifies after Todd dies that he was sort of a "I hate you Daddy" relationship, but then she goes and commits to Saul and it's feels like the same thing, in my opinion. And that to me makes her so interesting. She can pull apart anyone's issues, and then suddenly when it's time to turn that magnifying glass in on herself, she won't or can't do it. She projects a lot of anger around her and onto everyone else, but never seems to understand where the hatred comes from.

As for Saul, I don't know if he's ready for a deep meaningful relationship. He may be mature in some aspects, but for some reason he SCREAMS high school senior when it comes to relationships. I may be swayed by his objectifying of Lizzy early on and I may be missing something deeper but its hard for me to see. I know about the flowers and what not, but that whole thing still screamed high school to me. He was so awkward and tried to make it like such a big thing instead of some suave adult man who knows how to treat a woman with dignity and respect.

Saul and Lizzy= Romeo and Juliet. Here's a Voodoo Lounge prediction for you right now: If one of them dies, so will the other.

**Ra1th** · Feb 17th, 2011, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Lizzy specifically suffers hard. For a therapist, she is exceptionally unaware of her own inner demons. She identifies after Todd dies that he was sort of a "I hate you Daddy" relationship, but then she goes and commits to Saul and it's feels like the same thing, in my opinion. And that to me makes her so interesting. She can pull apart anyone's issues, and then suddenly when it's time to turn that magnifying glass in on herself, she won't or can't do it. She projects a lot of anger around her and onto everyone else, but never seems to understand where the hatred comes from.

so if i was to say, i hate lizzy because of her inability to analyze her own faults, and because she projects her anger onto everyone else (who dont deserve it!) it would be cool cause i hate her for who she is, and not for the actions she's taken

**nikvoodoo** · Feb 17th, 2011, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ra1th

so if i was to say, i hate lizzy because of her inability to analyze her own faults, and because she projects her anger onto everyone else (who dont deserve it!) it would be cool cause i hate her for who she is, and not for the actions she's taken

I preface this by saying everyone is obviously entitled to say what they wish. That is the point of the forums

To me, it seems as I look through the thread that some key on the actions without thinking about why the character is acting the way they do. If you think of it that way, how could anyone fault Datu for acting how he's acting? The woman he loved was killed less than a month ago. This is why I took so long to respond to this thread because I've been trying to think of a way to bring this topic up without seemingly tearing everyone down because that's not my intention. I'm not exactly all put together at the moment for various reasons and I might accidentally come across as a douche bag. So if I sound very harsh or mean, I do apologize.

Those reasons you just presented are fantastic reasons to hate Lizzy because those are actual character flaws. Its just so happens where some may see a reason to hate I just happen to see those as detailed character traits that make stories more interesting to me. I love the character analysis. I do it to everything I read, or watch. Hence, why I cop out and say I don't hate any of the characters. So as to your Lizzy argument you just presented:

**Ra1th** · Feb 17th, 2011, 01:54 AM

LOL, seal of approval hahahahaa

**HaveCrowBarWillTravel** · Feb 17th, 2011, 10:00 AM

I dig Liz A' frigg'n LOT! She most def has skills with a weapon and her spatial awareness is damn near a mutant power only reserved for men. The episode when they discovered the ambush site and she noticed the watcher on the roof. She had the distance set in her 3rd eye perfectly. Normally that takes training.
Anyway, this isn't the "I Love Lizzie" show.. so I'll say I hate..em..em... I hate Michael (for the moment). He's getting on my last nerve. Once he regains his military bearing, I'll probably start digging him again.
Right now though, I want to say "Hey Mike.. bend over and grab your ankles, then come up and say POP! See, what you've just done is pulled your head out your ass!"

**Reddeyez32** · Feb 18th, 2011, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

I doubt Scratch would be willing to forgive Pegs so easily. Maybe Pegs dies? I know for sure that Scratch is going to survive until the end. For sure!

I don't think they dropped the body off as a means to call a truce, more as a favor for a favor.

**SleepyGlenn** · Feb 18th, 2011, 03:21 PM

I don't like the Tattoo'd Zombie. Pinstripe wearing bastard!

To be fair, I love all the characters. Even the ones I hate I love to hate. So I can't pick one.

**Onslaught** · Feb 18th, 2011, 04:34 PM

I've started to like Kalani... a little bit... but all of chapter 18-3 when it was kalani and angel I just kept saying DIE KALANI! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!