Who's The Rat v2.0

[clem131]

i believe kalani is the rat. my theory is kalani and his group from Hawaii are over run after landing. the maulers come to the rescue and holds Hannah (someone kalani cares about) hostage and tells kalani to be a rat at the tower in exchange for Hannah's life and the second tower was a place the mulers could put people so when kalani kill pipin(not confirmed) Hannah is shot at the golf course ending there agreement.

My trouble with Kalani somehow knowing that the redhead was Hannah (aside from having to come to the forums to understand what he was saying) is:
a) for some reason he has to assume there's only one redhead left between the mallers (it might be the case, I don't know how rare is this fenotype in California or Hawaii)
b) more importantly, we don't witness at all the hypothetical exchange taking place on the helicopter where he learns about it . I mean, if this is the case, this particular scene is too important to just happen in the background. I'm not saying he should gasp or weep or something obvious, but simply that the dialogue should be in the episode in some way, if Hannah was the redhead killed.

[Wilsas]

I don't know if anyone thought of that before, but I think the Rats (yes, plural) are Kelly and Tommy. That might be the reason why Kelly didn't want his camera idea to be approved (i figure he didn't want to be the rat anymore when he saw how cool the tower folk was, amirite? or he just was so frikkin' smart that he made the surveillance cameras thus not a single person would think hes the rat :O), I also believe Kelly had a change of heart when Tommy turned and everyone hesitated to shoot (can't remember if thats true or not), or given that Kelly is the rat and she was throwing the idea of taking a day off to make a window of opportunity for the attack and when Tommy turned, her heart turned as well (pretty much the same thing, but different motivator - guilt and realization). I also seem to remember scratch said something about "her" when dropping off Pippin (don't know if it was about Lizzy or the rat) if that was about the rat, it would mean that mallers dropped pippin off either to have two rats at all times, or to eliminate Kelly and take her place.
Oh, and before the attack tommy was the only person in the guard room, thus granting him +1 to his Rat ability.
Anyway, this whole theory sounded much much better in my head though it still looks plausible enough to me.
If you have something to add, please do

[nikvoodoo]

I'm going to leave Kelly out of this rebuttal because there's still too much evidence against her that I don't feel like arguing about.

But as for Tommy....I think you're off base. 1) because I think the rat needs to be alive for there to be an impact to the story. and 2) Tommy was in the guard room like you said. and if he was the rat, he could have disabled all the alarm systems and let the Mallers come right in. So....yeah. I think he was pretty well innocent of any chicanery.

[Wilsas]

Hmmm, i probably need another re-listening session and to read these looooong 30 pages to set everything straight, but I will try to support my theory I think Kc would make the rat thing really complicated (i mean Kelly knows how to set a strong alibi) and 1) Kelly (who i assume to be the rat) is still alive 2) if he disabled all the alarms that would be like saying, hey guys, I'm the rat.

Though thanks for the expert opinion, you made me see little more details

[daredevil]

One thing that still gets me about The War and the Rat is that the Rat contacted the Mallers before the party and if it wasn't Tommy. Who had a shift before Tommy and knew about the party before it was going to happen? Pegs. Maybe that's why Pegs was pushing a party so hard, because she had already discussed with the Mallers about it and they were coming on that day.

[Test subject 9]

but that would mean that the mallers were all ready coming on that day. i think they were waiting for the rat to say "today come by for some fun." it be easier to be ready and wait for the rat. then tell the rat to have the tower ready for them on a day that they set before hand.

[daredevil]

but that would mean that the mallers were all ready coming on that day. i think they were waiting for the rat to say "today come by for some fun." it be easier to be ready and wait for the rat. then tell the rat to have the tower ready for them on a day that they set before hand.

I'm thinking it was more like Pegs told the Mallers when to come over not the other way around.

[Wilsas]

Thats exactly what he said ;D "mallers were all ready" not already :P but what makes you think pegs was the rat? I think she is just... not a person of logic ;D

[daredevil]

Thats exactly what he said ;D "mallers were all ready" not already :P but what makes you think pegs was the rat? I think she is just... not a person of logic ;D

Well, Only Pegs knew about the party before it was going to happen and if we're all assuming that that rat and the killer are the same person then Pegs was at a perfect spot to do that too. She wasn't mentioned either. Also, when she killed Latch to protect Michael I think that she was not planning on The War, just the Mallers being in charge of the Tower.
Although I think the reason she had those Nightmares where that she lost someone important, maybe her Father or her Brother or someone and their body was never found. Maybe in a war or just street crime.

[Test subject 9]

But why kill latch. If she was the rat it would've been easy to call latch over say "I'm the rat help Michael and I will tell you what you need to know."