Chapter 25- Inadequate Strength part 2

[Litmaster]

Although it has been months and months for us, Season 2 only covers about a week with a lot of it in a 48 hour span.

Yes, and that is kind of the nature of the beast when it comes to pacing and story details: generally, the longer the time span of the story, the slower the pace (thus less details and more exposition). Conversely, less time = quicker pace and more details and action, although the trade-off with that is that it's difficult to develop characters within such a short time span.

I think Kc has done a good job of working characterization into the action, so that we don't get too many long scenes with nothing happening but a long conversation between characters, and on the other hand he doesn't go for just action-action-action like some stupid Action-hero movie. Even Burt, for all his bad-assness, still comes off as human and believable, and I think we can see that most of his bravado is just a cover up for some deep-seated fear and inadequcies (this doesn't, however, stop me from enjoying it whenever he busts a cap in some zombie's ass ).

Just thinkin' like a writer for a bit, there.

[Solanine]

I'm curious as to why Michael is developing stronger bonds with his comrades in the Z-War as apposed to those soldiers he fought along side with in the service, his words not my interpretation. Is it because when he served they followed strict military guidelines whereas here he can spend 24-7 with these people, share in their drama, laughter, and sorrow?

Anyone with military service want to chime in and provide some insight as to how Michael's time spent with the Tower members could differ from that of his time spent with his soldiers in such a way that he'd form closer bonds with these people?

[edit/after thought]
I also had a funny moment when listening to 25-2 again when Michael is saying that no one could have survived. I picture him looking off to the West with teary eyes, meanwhile Saul is back in L.A. saying to Victor "They're not coming back" looking to the East with teary eyes. Then do a split screen of Michael and Saul, both teary eyed... lol, I love it.

My theory (and having no military xp its just that) is that its because they're all thats left. In the military a soldier dies and is replaced soon-ish (citation needed) , where as these few people are IT, They die, no FNG to replace them. Just another excuse for Datu to put on the water works.

[Eviebae]

I agree that Michael is an alpha. I think Burt used to be an alpha, but is now a beta. He pounded his chest and waved some branches around but in the end realized he wasn't up to it.

I can't remember if it was chimps or gorillas, but a documentary I saw showed an alpha being defeated by a younger one. They said that the old alpha often became the new alpha's beta. Sort of second in command and someone who had their back. After Burt handed the reins back to Michael, it was like they'd finally sorted their places in the hierarchy.

There are a lot of studies out there about what characterizes a socially dominant human. Being decisive, sure of yourself and your decisions (which is one reason that sociopaths sometimes make it into these positions). In small tribes though, it's supposed to be a lot more about consensus building. Moving unilaterally gets you booted.

[daredevil]

I agree that Michael is an alpha. I think Burt used to be an alpha, but is now a beta. He pounded his chest and waved some branches around but in the end realized he wasn't up to it.

I can't remember if it was chimps or gorillas, but a documentary I saw showed an alpha being defeated by a younger one. They said that the old alpha often became the new alpha's beta. Sort of second in command and someone who had their back. After Burt handed the reins back to Michael, it was like they'd finally sorted their places in the hierarchy.

There are a lot of studies out there about what characterizes a socially dominant human. Being decisive, sure of yourself and your decisions (which is one reason that sociopaths sometimes make it into these positions). In small tribes though, it's supposed to be a lot more about consensus building. Moving unilaterally gets you booted.

And that's why Burt and Angel fight whenever they talk.. Like in Chapter 21. Angel say's he in charge and Burt says, No I am... Rawr.

[DeeKay86]

All this "alpha" talk is slightly annoying. Could we not have a separate "who is the alpha" thread and keep this one for actual Chapter 25 part 2 discussions??

[daredevil]

All this "alpha" talk is slightly annoying. Could we not have a separate "who is the alpha" thread and keep this one for actual Chapter 25 part 2 discussions??

We are discussing the progressions of Michael as a Alpha and how he displays them in Chapter 25 part 2. It is on track. However I agree. Let's move this somewhere else.

[Adventureless_Hero]

I want to know what Riley was writing in her journal.
That and I hope they look in Hope's bag soon and go over Kalani's journals.

I forget, is hope completely blind or can she see a little (legally blind w/some vision)?

[DeeKay86]

We are discussing the progressions of Michael as a Alpha and how he displays them in Chapter 25 part 2. It is on track. However I agree. Let's move this somewhere else.

I know what you mean but most of the thread became all about alphas lol

[IamPaul]

Been wondering why they did not check out the farm house? Maybe part 3. I bet Riley is in there cooking an old fashioned country breakfast. Whether Riley committed suicide or not, I expect some major losses this season. Kalani and tommy were minor in my opinion. With only season 3 & 4 left, there has gotta be at least one big one this season. Right? Damn, I am more passionate about this then any entertainment I have ever partaken in.

[daredevil]

Been wondering why they did not check out the farm house? Maybe part 3. I bet Riley is in there cooking an old fashioned country breakfast. Whether Riley committed suicide or not, I expect some major losses this season. Kalani and tommy were minor in my opinion. With only season 3 & 4 left, there has gotta be at least one big one this season. Right? Damn, I am more passionate about this then any entertainment I have ever partaken in.

Woh dude. Suicide? Where'd you get that from? Sure Riley's sad and all but she isn't suicidal.... I think.