Chapter 23 Pt 2 - The Devil's Workshop

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

first question.....did anyone hear what the zombie said on Lizzy's recording?

I believe, along with another number of people so far, that the "zombie" said "move" and the other groan might have been a "go," suggesting that there is a chain of command amongst them and that they can communicate with each other.

Well, I'm back to the artwork. Riley (and most likely Kalani) are still on their way to see the pinstriped zombie somewhere in the hospital. Either they are going back for Burt and Angel, or they will meet ol' pinstripe on their way to the helicopter.

I agree with the possibility of Riley and Kalani going back for Burt and Angel, possibly with a daring rescue with the chopper, so I'm with you there HardKor (Heroic Rescue).

So after all that, here's my possibilities:
A) Burt dies and goes out in a blaze of glory: This makes for a good heroic sacrifice and just feels right.

B) Angel dies and Burt lives: This would really reinforce the "anybody can die" aspect of the show and brings in a bit of reality. Death doesn't always make sense or follow what people would expect.

C) Heroic Rescue: The Tolkien solution as I'm thinking of it. It gives us a triumphant moment where everything turns out alright and our characters make it out with some glorious stores to tell.

D) They both die and everyone is sad. Tragedy, we've been set up for it and if this happens, that set up will bee fulfilled.

The thing is all these possibilities seem...well, possible.

Hmm, as far as these possibilities go, I would go A or C. If anyone is going to die, it probably would be Burt but I'm personally in favor of the heroic rescue because I think these two characters still have too much to offer to the story line, also I personally think it might be more of KC's style. But who knows, I'll probably be wrong.

Or more likely being taken to the hospital. That's why you hear the zombies up close and personal in the recording.

I don't think that they were taken away by the zombies, unless they were ambushed after escaping from the attack on the arena (I heard either tires screeching or "zombies" screaming but I didn't hear any human struggle).

This is what I've been waiting for since day 1. Angel is finally showing leadership. He was the one the people looked to for leadership and orders. It's been setting up for this situation this whole episode. This entire set of characters that have been assembled are perfect for this. Riley and Kalani are Angel's best supporters, and then there's Burt. Burt is a strong leadership character, he was someone that Angel had to overcome. At the end of the day, Burt was in the second in command role. He was giving ideas and plans, but the final call came from Angel. Son of a bitch finally did it. That being said, I don't think it's over just yet. He finally made some significant progress in leadership, but he's not at Micheal's level. Not yet.

Also Saul, I hate you. Why are you so damn lucky so damn often. Keep makin' those hail marys man. You'll fail... eventually.

Are we listening to the same podcast? I didn't hear Burt being submissive at all and after listening to it three times (while folding laundry) it seemed like Burt was the one who was giving orders (Angel did have the idea about the rope and roof though, no to discredit him). I'm pretty sure that Burt was the one who told Angel to tell Riley and Kalani to head for the chopper and leave them behind. I did think that Angel showed some growth by accepting that he and Burt were probably done for and for pleading Riley and Kalani to move on without them.

So I got thinking:

What if this is turning into I Am Legend? The zombies out-number the humans, so what if it's the zombies who see the humans as the real 'creatures'? The zombies are becoming more human like and more intelligent. What if "We're Alive" refers to the zombies being alive rather than the humans?

Damn nikvoodoo & AdrianHD you beat me to it. I was beginning to think the same thing a few episodes ago too =P

the entire time i was yelling "FUCKING RILEY!! TIE THE CLOTH TO AN ARROW AND SHOOT IT UP THERE!!!" but i'm sure the weight of the cloth might weigh it down and screw up the trajectory, but still hospital Sheets don't weigh very much.

oh, and i was getting wet eyes when Saul was listening to the tape :P

Nice idea, I wasn't thinking about that at the time =P. I was thinking about a heroic choppa rescue where Burt and Angel jump on the choppa's landing gear (I know 80's and 90's movie cheese XD)

Not to argue a small point but pinstripes are by definition small and usually not very easy to see. It can still be a pinstriped suit.

Agreed.

Thanks Kc for opening new theories that will be argued with for the next two weeks XD

[beesting]

I didn't see this mentioned and I just re listened to the episode for the second time and had to pull over so I could post from my phone, but did anyone notice at the end of the episode at about 16:03 Burt says about Kilani and Riley, "I didn't see it myself but he told me they eventually walked away and into the roof access leading inside, it was just the 2 of us now." Proof positive that Burt is telling this at a later date and makes it through enough to talk to Kilani.

[HardKor]

I didn't see this mentioned and I just re listened to the episode for the second time and had to pull over so I could post from my phone, but did anyone notice at the end of the episode at about 16:03 Burt says about Kilani and Riley, "I didn't see it myself but he told me they eventually walked away and into the roof access leading inside, it was just the 2 of us now." Proof positive that Burt is telling this at a later date and makes it through enough to talk to Kilani.

Burt was saying that Angel told him that Kalani and Riley walked away and into the roof access.
Burt's narration does seem to make his survival more likely though, unless he takes the time to write all this down while waiting to die. But that seems like an odd thing for Burt to do in that situation.

[Th3_T3ch]

I thought last weeks episode was good.... Well this one tops the list of amazing. This is probably THE most powerful episode that Kc and Co. have produced. It tugs at emotions, emotions that are frequently ignored in this story. Kc you are my favorite writer, second to Shakespeare. You are an amazing writer Kc, no doubt about it. I'm not even going to theorize this week OR next week. Not until the third part of Chapter 23 is out because there is no point in trying to guess what is going to happen in this situation. And to everybody who says someone is going to die, well that happens and it will be written beautifully.

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

I didn't see this mentioned and I just re listened to the episode for the second time and had to pull over so I could post from my phone, but did anyone notice at the end of the episode at about 16:03 Burt says about Kilani and Riley, "I didn't see it myself but he told me they eventually walked away and into the roof access leading inside, it was just the 2 of us now." Proof positive that Burt is telling this at a later date and makes it through enough to talk to Kilani.

Burt was saying that Angel told him that Kalani and Riley walked away and into the roof access.
Burt's narration does seem to make his survival more likely though, unless he takes the time to write all this down while waiting to die. But that seems like an odd thing for Burt to do in that situation.

Sounds plausible. One heroic rescue coming up! (We'll see).

Oh and I guess we're getting closer to figuring out whether or not Riley has a thing for Angel

[Grognaurd]

Like many people said, did we listen to the same episode?

I do not think Burt is resigned to death or defeatist . But, he is committed to getting the mission accomplished. When Angel was not about to let go of the door handle. Burt says he does not expect him to.

Burt and Angel are on the ten floor of a ten story building. If the kid gobblers are playing kiddy soccer, Riley and Kalani should have an easy time up to the helicopter. They could also climb out a tenth story window of high rise section and help Burt and or Angel to the roof. The helicopter could be landed on the tenth floor. In addition, the higher they go, the better reception the radios have. Instead of going through walls and walls of concrete and rebar, it can go down through the air to Pegs and crew at LAX or Saul or back at the tower.

If Pegs does get the helicopter up in the air and sees Saul. Will he Cowboy up and postpone the Lizzie quest long enough to rig a rope line to airlift our friends at the hospital?

Do the zombies at the door lose Interest and walk away? Does a smart one shoe them away?

I do not know how much crap there is in this room. But it should be possible to wedge something between the opposite wall and the door if it opens into the room. I do not know how much of an overhang the roof has. It is probably not possible to climb up bed frame turned sideways and reach the roof, but it is worth a look. They have a fire truck, but it is a pumper not a hook and ladder.


Ggggrrrr! Michael, your spreading your team too thin! The only way to the hospital helicopter is by air assault. The hospital is indefensible. Any team asked to hold the door would be overrun. Then it is an old fashion coon hunt. The hounds tree the coon and then the hunter comes and shoots the poor thing.


Sorry, I am having a lot of 9/11 flashbacks and not thinking as well as I should

Art, in New York

[Hollomandious]

To me it sounded like it said "move ahead.... move."

Back in chap 10 when Ink was in the tower, he never really spoke. He just repeated things. He said, "help us.." And "paul," but he never made a real sentence.

I believe him saying "move" or whatever is him repeating scratch and others. They were yelling "move" and such.

Right? Anyone w/ me?

[Colostome boy]

when saul was listening to lizzies recording it sounded a lot like the zombie said "move" and then you heard them all running. pretty scary
Edit: also after looking at the art for the podcast as a whole and for this chapter the character looks the same to me, but i could be wrong.
Also i think that the zombies are trying to get more bodies (part 1) since the arena got blown up (along with the zombies piles of bodies) and they might just capture angel and bert, not necessarily killing them, just a thought.

[Mikeyd2tall]

when saul was listening to lizzies recording it sounded a lot like the zombie said "move" and then you heard them all running. pretty scary
Edit: also after looking at the art for the podcast as a whole and for this chapter the character looks the same to me, but i could be wrong.
Also i think that the zombies are trying to get more bodies (part 1) since the arena got blown up (along with the zombies piles of bodies) and they might just capture angel and bert, not necessarily killing them, just a thought.

thats what I thought too. im also one for the whole "riley just shoot a damn arrow with the sheet attached DAMNIT!!!!" thing. but its not plausible.

[Laura]

I know a lot of people think Riley's a lesbian, but I just can't shake the feeling that she's got the hots for Angel. She's gonna pull something off, and I'm betting she'll save both him AND Burt.

Everyone's had very interesting perspectives so far on the situation. Now... the two-week wait. UGH!