Chapter 23 Pt 2 - The Devil's Workshop

[Zombiehead]

first question.....did anyone hear what the zombie said on Lizzy's recording?

To me it sounded like it said "move ahead.... move."

[Zombiehead]

This is what I've been waiting for since day 1. Angel is finally showing leadership. He was the one the people looked to for leadership and orders. It's been setting up for this situation this whole episode. This entire set of characters that have been assembled are perfect for this. Riley and Kalani are Angel's best supporters, and then there's Burt. Burt is a strong leadership character, he was someone that Angel had to overcome. At the end of the day, Burt was in the second in command role. He was giving ideas and plans, but the final call came from Angel. Son of a bitch finally did it. That being said, I don't think it's over just yet. He finally made some significant progress in leadership, but he's not at Micheal's level. Not yet.

Also Saul, I hate you. Why are you so damn lucky so damn often. Keep makin' those hail marys man. You'll fail... eventually.

You mean when he wanted to risk leaving his buddy and pilot behind to be eaten by monsters or the part where Burt made him tell the others to leave? *snicker*

[AdrianHD]

Considering Kc said nothing is ever written outside of a character's viewpoint, someone has to live in this situation, and it seems like Burt has to live if he's the one writing it all.

[Fishie]

first question.....did anyone hear what the zombie said on Lizzy's recording?

The first time I listened I thought it said "No"... Relistening to it with the volume up high, it sounds more like "Mo". I'm not quite convinced that it was saying "Move" as some of the others have suggested, though I can't offer anything better. Maybe the zombies have developed a basic monosyllabic language. I don't know.

I thought that Saul finding Lizzie's recording was a great plot device, and obviously it's very emotional having him hear her voice and reacting to it. She's very good at leaving breadcrumbs, as seen in Chapter 20 when she threw the chair out the window and drew an 'M' in the dust, maybe Saul will find more clues as to where she has gone (though it would be difficult for her to do from a speeding car, I'll admit)

I don't think that both Burt and Angel will die. One of them may go, and I'm inclined to agree that Burt seems more likely, although the fact that it's almost predictable makes me think that it won't happen!

[VeritableHero]

first of all KEEP IN MIND....the cover art is of a man in a suit....NOT A PINSTRIPE SUIT! This must be a new character!!!

Not to argue a small point but pinstripes are by definition small and usually not very easy to see. It can still be a pinstriped suit.

[AdrianHD]

So I got thinking:

What if this is turning into I Am Legend? The zombies out-number the humans, so what if it's the zombies who see the humans as the real 'creatures'? The zombies are becoming more human like and more intelligent. What if "We're Alive" refers to the zombies being alive rather than the humans?

[HardKor]

Not to argue a small point but pinstripes are by definition small and usually not very easy to see. It can still be a pinstriped suit.

This is true. And really, in the artwork from Chapter 11, that suit doesn't exactly look pinstriped either. It does look a little darker, but the background is also darker. The figure in the chapter 23 artwork in against a light background so his suit look lighter. I think its the same guy, and I think TOWTM, The colored one, and Ink (he was coming from court when the outbreak occurred IIRC) are all the same.

[HardKor]

So I got thinking:

What if this is turning into I Am Legend? The zombies out-number the humans, so what if it's the zombies who see the humans as the real 'creatures'? The zombies are becoming more human like and more intelligent. What if "We're Alive" refers to the zombies being alive rather than the humans?

http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/showt...+We%27re+Alive

[HardKor]

I hate to pull a triple post here, but a thought just popped into my head.
In the beginning of the episode, while we're following Saul's search for Lizzie, we here's Burt's attempts to contact Saul over the radio. Meaning that Saul's part of the episode takes place before all hell breaks loose at the hospital. So now I'm wondering what the odds are the Saul shows up at the hospital to save the day with one of his famous "Hail Marys" that anger Ra1th so much.

[Pikepaw]

Dammit KC, make me get all emotional freak out much. First there was Lizzie's recording, screaming someone to tell Saul that she loves him, I get choked up. Then I almost recover just in time for Riley and Angel is have their conversation which was even more dramatic. I'm surprised I didn't actually tear up, it was so powerful a moment.

Burt needs to wake up out of this defeatist attitude. I know he's being realistic, but he could at least in the next episode get a sneer and decide to take out as many Zed's as he can. On We're Not Dead Britt is going to be saying, "Oh see, this is Burt's last stand, I'm right! Burt's going to die soon!" *cue Britt dance for being correct*. But I still hold out hope. These guys have gotten out of crazy scrapes before, (Tower burning, surrounded by flesh eaters, no ammo) and I don't believe Riley and Kalani will permanently abandon them. As soon as they get the helicopter they could make a return. During Riley and Angel's dramatic conversation, I was waiting for one of them to say, "I love you" dammit! Just putting on my Ra1th cap here.

Also it is good to hear Lizzie's voice again and know just a little of what has been happening to her. I am comforted to know that Scratch picked them up. She is relatively safer with the Mallers than with the Kid Gobblers