Chapter 22- "Our Doubts Are Traitors" part 2

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

Dunno bout anyone else.. But victor is the reason I don't suspect Kelly.. Also if her plan was to set off burts alarm to clear the area to take pippin out... Why didn't she do it during the six hours she was in there with him? Would have been a bit simpler I think...
And if hope couldn't smell the booze on Riley. Would she have smell the cologne on victor?
Hell of a puzzle this one is..... Excellent work by mr. Wayland for sure!!

Well if she did it while she was in the room with Pippin on guard duty, it would make it pretty obvious that it was her who assassinated Pippin. I don't think anyone could ignore her sitting in a room with a dead body and not think it was her.

Couple things....
Kalani still could gave done it, he would have had a purpose for shooting the radio, to buy him a datu time to get out of the tower.... Don't see much other purpose in shooting the radio. And it's been mentioned already but he and datu were not together the whole time.
A bit a foreshadowing maybe, but when Saul mentioned somebody needed to drive the hummer back. Anybody else get the feeling that he is gonna go on the look for Lizzie. Meaning we won't get back to her story till the choppers flying
And this is probably nothing but it bothers me. Angel said Lewis's hands smell like gas..... The generator runs on diesel

Shooting The Radio
- I believe for the rat/assassin/former rat meant to cause chaos and miscommunication within the Tower. Shooting the Towers main radio would knock communications out between the Tower and the search parties looking for other helicopters and stuff.

Datu & Kalani
- As I've posted in a previous post Angel said that Datu and Kalani were together the whole time before the incident happen (the alarm sounding). Also 1 minute and 45 seconds between the time Kalani leaves Micheal and Tanya isn't a lot of time for someone like Kalani to get up and down floors so quickly, especially considering that he'd be breathing pretty hard if he was running around that much in the first place.

Gas & Diesel
- I don't know what diesel really smells like, but most people, even Angel, probably don't know either. When Burt, Lizzy and Saul were getting diesel Burt was using more of a color/texture description to make distinctions between gas and diesel which could mean that gas and diesel smell pretty similar to each other leading to "gas" smell on Lewis' hands.

[7oddisdead]

Well if she did it while she was in the room with Pippin on guard duty, it would make it pretty obvious that it was her who assassinated Pippin. I don't think anyone could ignore her sitting in a room with a dead body and not think it was her.

Let me paint the picture for you then. Pippin is droning on about england... Kelly checks out the door to see if coast is clear... It is. So she cuts the wire and sets off the alarm...then pops back in the room and goes to check out burts room. The alarm would draw a crowd to see her there, or on her way there. Then they go back to find pippin dead, she simply tosses the gun on the way there...and I doubt they could check for Prints and by the time the commotion is over she could have already cleaned her hands and played dumb.... Hell, I dunno... I'm jus saying....

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

Let me paint the picture for you then. Pippin is droning on about england... Kelly checks out the door to see if coast is clear... It is. So she cuts the wire and sets off the alarm...then pops back in the room and goes to check out burts room. The alarm would draw a crowd to see her there, or on her way there. Then they go back to find pippin dead, she simply tosses the gun on the way there...and I doubt they could check for Prints and by the time the commotion is over she could have already cleaned her hands and played dumb.... Hell, I dunno... I'm jus saying....

I don't know about anyone else but I pictured Angel & Michael as the only ones who ran to Burt's room/Armory since I didn't here any background chatter that would indicate anyone else was around. Also everyone else were off on assignments and therefore might not be around to hear the alarm.

As for the gun, if she threw it away (presumably in the stairwell) someone would find it. <= Probably my weakest argument as the assassin probably still has the pistol.

To Get Really Anal...

I timed the alarm from both episodes (Chapter 22 Part 1 & 2).

Chapter 22 Part 1 from the time the alarm sounds to when the assassin runs out from the room after assassinating Pippin and shooting the radio

Chapter 22 Part 2 from the time the alarm sounds to when Angel kills the alarm.

Both came out to 37 seconds (give or take a second on my part) (Kudos to KC & The Editing Team).

Also it took Michael and Angel 13 seconds to get from Burt's room and the Guard room.

[7oddisdead]

Agreed on most points, well played.... I'm just throwing out ideas here..

[UneasyEric]

Ok stick with me for a minute. I'm leaning toward the rat/shooter being Riley. She seemed to be I. The area when it happened, does not have a good alibi, and seemed to over react at seeing Pippin dead. ( she hid in a pile of dead bodies for god sake). I really don't know what her motive is, but I still think it's her.

That being said, at the end of this episode Kalani calls to the tower and she answers. Riley answers! What if she is the rat and instead of telling Micheal that the chopper might be salvageable she tell Durai or any other Mallers. Then then head to LAX and attack Kalani, Datu, Burt, and Saul.

I know I'm going out on a limb, but I had a pretty good silent freak out when I finished this episode and wanted to share my thoughts.

[Leet693]

My bets on Kelly. As, a character she has developed a lot. At the start she was always challenging Micheal's authority, but became especially loyal after Tommy died. I think she probably didn't think the Mallers were so bad and contacted them, but when they got Tommy killed that all changed. She became furiously loyal to the tower, but do the Maller's know that? My bet is that Pippin was a plant only a few Maller's knew about (Duri or however you spell it). They probably let a few slaves slip gave him a little head start, and sent out search parties (Bricks, and Tardust), that would also explain how Lizzy was found and how the slaves escaped in the first place.

Back though to Kelly. She wouldn't want to disrupt the tower to the point it would collapse. I think she shot the radio so that all the teams wouldn't immediately come back because they needed to keep working. She also spent 6 hours talking to Pippin probably finding a loup hole in his story and realizing that he was a plant meant to contact or help her. He probably didn't know because of compartmentalization of the plan. If Pippin let something slip it could compromise the plan. So what the Maller's were banking on is that the traitor would find him and he would do what he was supposed too.

Besides there were more opportunities for any traitor to hand the tower over to the Mallers. The shooter has a silenced pistol there is at most 20 some people in the tower right now, if they really wanted to they could tear through most of those people without getting caught (The bretta is a 9M if I remember correctly and they have a lot of ammo for that gun).

[mascaria]

Gas & Diesel
- I don't know what diesel really smells like, but most people, even Angel, probably don't know either. When Burt, Lizzy and Saul were getting diesel Burt was using more of a color/texture description to make distinctions between gas and diesel which could mean that gas and diesel smell pretty similar to each other leading to "gas" smell on Lewis' hands.

I've worked at a gas station and had to measure fuel levels at night and I can tell you 100% that you most certainly can tell the difference between gas and diesel fuel by scent, even if you don't know what diesel smells like you'll know that it's not gas when you smell it.

Ok stick with me for a minute. I'm leaning toward the rat/shooter being Riley. She seemed to be I. The area when it happened, does not have a good alibi, and seemed to over react at seeing Pippin dead. ( she hid in a pile of dead bodies for god sake). I really don't know what her motive is, but I still think it's her.

I don't think that hiding in a pile of dead bodies means that some one should no longer react to seeing some one who has been shot three times. Also! She was drunk, drunk people over react. She didn't do it.

[ZombieMama]

Pippin could have met everyone and shook their hand in line and held a conversation with them. But if he wasn't sure who he was looking for it wouldn't make a difference if he had met them before or not. The "It's you" could be prompted by someone he's already met but has now revealed themselves as the Rat to him by coming in holding an assassins weapon.

That's an extremely thoughtful take on the situation and I very much agree with it. It would enforce both of these:

Kelly as a Rat - After the 6 hour conversation, she becomes convinced of his purpose in the tower. To those who say "Why didn't she do it while she was on duty" well, think about the fact that it would have been quite difficult to cover it up. If she had pretended it to be an ambush she would have had to see who did it. If she did it silently she would have had to see who did it. It just would have been very hard to pull off. It would have obviously put her in the spot and made it more difficult to hide her now "loyal" status.

Riley as a Rat - Her attitude has changed a lot since she came back from her little trip. She could just be dealing with her change of heart. Another thing, she jumped very quickly to say "BUT THERE'S ANOTHER RADIO RIGHT?" with almost no thought. She was extremely jumpy. Angel and Michael now placed her on guard duty (i think) and we might see her cleaning up her mess in the next episode, or at least trying to.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST! i need some one to help me catch on something said by angel. I'm pretty sure se directed it towards Riley. He screams "Of course you left, you always leave!" (5:45-5:55). However it almost sounds like there's a 4th person in the room besides Michael, Angel, and Riley. I can't tell what she say's before that either...
help?

[HardKor]

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST! i need some one to help me catch on something said by angel. I'm pretty sure se directed it towards Riley. He screams "Of course you left, you always leave!" (5:45-5:55). However it almost sounds like there's a 4th person in the room besides Michael, Angel, and Riley. I can't tell what she say's before that either...
help?

I went back and listened to that bit. It sounds like multiple people were showing up. I heard someone say "what happened?" and then someone ask "who was on guard?" I can't be certain but I think it was Kelly.

[ZombieMama]

I went back and listened to that bit. It sounds like multiple people were showing up. I heard someone say "what happened?" and then someone ask "who was on guard?" I can't be certain but I think it was Kelly.

I wonder who those people where then... and if that was to Riley man would it frame her as the rat...