Will Angel Ever Take Control of the Tower?

[Ryan]

Maybe it's time to go with something a little more democratic. The guys have essentially been AWOL for a long while now so it's kinda hard to justify one person being in charge. The more power any one person seems to get the more of a jerk they become anyway. We saw it with Burt and (in my opinion) we saw it with Michael.

To me Angel during the MRE mission was some of the best leadership of the series out of all the characters. The chips were down and he came through. It was almost a coming-of-age story and I was hoping we were going to see a whole new Angel after that. Unfortunately he's back to his old self.

[Drew227598]

To throw my two cents into this as far as Angel not saying anything to Hope and just going to check the alarm, In the Military you are trained to spring into action and not give amplifying instructions to those around you as to what or why you are doing what you are doing. You are used to everyone around you doing the same and or knowing what to do if something goes down and often forget when you’re around civilians that they are not trained as you were. You cannot fault the man for falling back on his training in a situation such as this; it’s why the Military drills and trains as much as we do. So when the shit hits the fan you don’t think you just react or as we call it muscle memory. Now something they should have done when first setting up the rules of The Tower was also setting up some PRP (pre response plans) for different situations, i.e. zombies are attacking everyone man’s there battle stations, Internal intruder alarms goes off everyone freezes on station and a group of pre-approved people meet somewhere and sweep the building from room to room. I understand that this wouldn’t be perfect and they would have to change and adapted there TTP (tactics, techniques, and procedures) as times goes on or as situations predict such as the Mallers attacking. Not to get to far off subject and not to climb to high up on my soap box but this boils down into a lack of better planning from the get go. No one is perfect but honestly in my opinion as an Officer in the Military Angel has failed as a leader and as a senior enlisted noncommissioned officer Michael has failed the group as a leader as well. For the most part a good senior noncom is worth 3 or 4 JO’s but in this case it doesn’t seem that either are doing a very good job. I guess for now we have to stick with the lesser of the two evils and hope that Michael can remember what it is to be a good leader and lead people!

[Drew227598]

Maybe it's time to go with something a little more democratic. The guys have essentially been AWOL for a long while now so it's kinda hard to justify one person being in charge. The more power any one person seems to get the more of a jerk they become anyway. We saw it with Burt and (in my opinion) we saw it with Michael.

To me Angel during the MRE mission was some of the best leadership of the series out of all the characters. The chips were down and he came through. It was almost a coming-of-age story and I was hoping we were going to see a whole new Angel after that. Unfortunately he's back to his old self.

As an officer Angle has gone through several classes (4 years’ worth) on leadership and is said to be fresh out of OCS when all this went down. He is 24 which leads me to believe his is around a 02 or possible 03 (Army officer advance at different rates than other branches). He shouldn't need to have the chips be down before he steps up and takes charge of the situation; this shouldn't be a coming of age story because it means he can't lead under any and all circumstances. That just means the tax payers wasted money on his training because he doesn't have the ability to lead in him. Some men are born to lead other are born to follow, he clearly is a follower. Not saying it's a bad thing because we can't have all leaders otherwise nothing would get done.

[nikvoodoo]

It's so nice to see fresh faces in the discussion. Welcome to hell gentlemen!

[Drew227598]

It's so nice to see fresh faces in the discussion. Welcome to hell gentlemen!

If this is Hell why am I not in charge yet?

[nikvoodoo]

Cause this guy is already a community member

[Ryan]

He shouldn't need to have the chips be down before he steps up and takes charge of the situation

I agree. Angel's deferential to a fault. He can't seem to handle any big problems when Michael's not around. Angel's also really bad at being proactive (rather than reactive) and dealing with people issues. A good recent example of that is when he just ignored Riley being boozed up because she gave him some lip service. When someone's got problems big enough to get slurring drunk in the middle of the day during the zombie apocalypse it's a situation you really shouldn't ignore, triply so when they're (at the very least) a combat buddy you went through the hell of zombie ground zero at the arena with. With that kind of attitude it's lucky he didn't get shipped out. Half his squad could be walking around with PTSD and he'd be oblivious.

That being said, we can argue about the way Angel should act or just deal with the way he does act. Two big things he has going for him is he tends to make logically sound (if not always people friendly) decisions and Angel does seek advice rather than blindly dictate like Michael and especially Burt tend to do.

[Drew227598]

I agree. Angel's deferential to a fault. He can't seem to handle any big problems when Michael's not around. Angel's also really bad at being proactive (rather than reactive) and dealing with people issues. A good recent example of that is when he just ignored Riley being boozed up because she gave him some lip service. When someone's got problems big enough to get slurring drunk in the middle of the day during the zombie apocalypse it's a situation you really shouldn't ignore, triply so when they're (at the very least) a combat buddy you went through the hell of zombie ground zero at the arena with. With that kind of attitude it's lucky he didn't get shipped out. Half his squad could be walking around with PTSD and he'd be oblivious.

That being said, we can argue about the way Angel should act or just deal with the way he does act. Two big things he has going for him is he tends to make logically sound (if not always people friendly) decisions and Angel does seek advice rather than blindly dictate like Michael and especially Burt tend to do.

Very good point, I guess I wont be happy until they write me into the story so I can step up and take charge lol

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

To throw my two cents into this as far as Angel not saying anything to Hope and just going to check the alarm, In the Military you are trained to spring into action and not give amplifying instructions to those around you as to what or why you are doing what you are doing. You are used to everyone around you doing the same and or knowing what to do if something goes down and often forget when you’re around civilians that they are not trained as you were. You cannot fault the man for falling back on his training in a situation such as this; it’s why the Military drills and trains as much as we do. So when the shit hits the fan you don’t think you just react or as we call it muscle memory. Now something they should have done when first setting up the rules of The Tower was also setting up some PRP (pre response plans) for different situations, i.e. zombies are attacking everyone man’s there battle stations, Internal intruder alarms goes off everyone freezes on station and a group of pre-approved people meet somewhere and sweep the building from room to room. I understand that this wouldn’t be perfect and they would have to change and adapted there TTP (tactics, techniques, and procedures) as times goes on or as situations predict such as the Mallers attacking. Not to get to far off subject and not to climb to high up on my soap box but this boils down into a lack of better planning from the get go. No one is perfect but honestly in my opinion as an Officer in the Military Angel has failed as a leader and as a senior enlisted noncommissioned officer Michael has failed the group as a leader as well. For the most part a good senior noncom is worth 3 or 4 JO’s but in this case it doesn’t seem that either are doing a very good job. I guess for now we have to stick with the lesser of the two evils and hope that Michael can remember what it is to be a good leader and lead people!

Drew Welcome aboard!
Ok, so you did say you didn't fault Angel for "falling back on his training" by rushing to the alarm, but go on to say that they should have set up PRP (a moment of digression.. PRP means something different in the AF).
You also say that:
"Now something they should have done when first setting up the rules of The Tower was also setting up some PRP (pre response plans) for different situations, i.e. zombies are attacking everyone man’s there battle stations, Internal intruder alarms goes off everyone freezes on station and a group of pre-approved people meet somewhere and sweep the building from room to room."

I agree with that statement, planning should have been done. However...

isn't the very definition and reason for Training is to keep you from Reacting? Isn't it supposed allow you to "Respond" instead? This is how I read the above quote. So even if they didn't set up a response plan, it would have been personally internalized due to years of training right?

By the way.. join us at the Veterans group.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

As an officer Angle has gone through several classes (4 years’ worth) on leadership and is said to be fresh out of OCS when all this went down. He is 24 which leads me to believe his is around a 02 or possible 03 (Army officer advance at different rates than other branches). He shouldn't need to have the chips be down before he steps up and takes charge of the situation; this shouldn't be a coming of age story because it means he can't lead under any and all circumstances. That just means the tax payers wasted money on his training because he doesn't have the ability to lead in him. Some men are born to lead other are born to follow, he clearly is a follower. Not saying it's a bad thing because we can't have all leaders otherwise nothing would get done.

Drew,

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't Officer Candidate School only run for a year and some change? You're either prior enlisted or a civilian with a college degree already in hand right?

Crowbar out!