Chapter 22 - "Our Doubts Are Traitors" - Part 1

[Uber Behemoth]

Has anyone confirmed Pippin's death?

[nikvoodoo]

Has anyone confirmed Pippin's death?

Confirmed? Nope. But I hear three slugs going into a body and it's not Hope's because her reaction doesn't sound like that of someone who's been shot twice and then killed with the final shot. Since no one else is in the room, seems like all three of those rounds hit Pippin. But you are correct, we technically do not know if Pippin is dead.

We just have really good reason to believe he is. The real burning question is where did that 4th round go?

[Crabb90]

I think it's implied that the 4th round went into Hope but I don't think we have enough evidence to say she's dead yet. She could have made a run for the door (assuming she was familiar enough with the room) and just been wounded. Or, maybe Hope had a hidden gun on her and she got a lucky shot off at Pippen's killer. I'm sure the former scenario is more plausible.

[Hellbringer]

Glad I'm not the only one looking for what happened to Lizzie and Bricks. Tardust, though... yeah, I'm interested, but I'm waiting for him to bite the big one, or in this case, get bitten by a Big One.

[j0be]

Here's my notes on this episode:

• Michael has Pegs skip guard duty because of Pippin
  
  • This could be because of his suspicions about Pippin being a Maller
  • That coupled with Pegs **ahem** connection with Scratch.
• Victor wears excessive cologne
  
  • This could be a foreshadowing to a large scale event that is soon coming
• Angel refers to Hope as "dear". Aww... Isn't that sweet?
• Bluejay (Jacob) & Robin (James) are going to check out "that other area"
  
  • They could be headed to Van Nuys, but it isn't explicitly stated where that "other area" is, or what the "thing" they are looking for. (most likely another helo)
• The residents of the tower are still finding electronic entertainment. (Saul's "Gameboy")
  
  • This means that they are doing battery runs. Just interesting.
  • I guess the batteries could also be used for the long range walkies.
• Burt is working on remote explosives / distractions
  
  • I'm staking my flag in this that this will be used in the future
• The silenced pistol is missing from the bag
  
  • The zombie that comes for them had to be a regular
  • This was most likely taken by the shooter at the end of the chapter
• Burt is going through something that is causing his hands to shake
  
  • Most likely PTSD.
• Radio Silence from the Nest.
  
  • Most likely due to the shooter
• Pippin jumps on the chance to listen to the headset
  
  • This could be because he want to make sure no one else was on the headset
• The alarm readout is in the surveillance room.
  
  • Whoever the shooter is mostly likely knew this as well.
  • That could be either an intentional distraction, or collateral distraction.
• Pippin recognizes the shooter before they identify themselves or their weapon
• Pippin receives 3 silenced shots
• One more shot occurs before the episode ends
  
  • This could be the shooting of Hope
  • This could also be the shooter taking out the radio

One side note about the final scene. Remember that this podcast is told through the journals. If all participants of a scene die, how do the journals know what happened? (this is my take on whether or not Hope died)

[7oddisdead]

First off hello. Sorta new here.
A few things I've noticed that nobody seems to have mentioned.. It was just what, last chapter that we had semi screwed up timelines. So Burt talking to kalani could have been after the shooting. Datu was getting the tools together when angel/hope took over for kelly. Also when kalani radioed Burt there was a certain hurried sound to his voice at first and the motor sounded like high acceleration. ( that could just be coincidence). Another thing is Burt said kalani sent them to lax. Burt saw a hawiian airlines on the Tarmac. Wouldn't kalani have already known the coast guard chopper was there then? I dunno, I like the rilely on a revenge theory better but too many things still don't add up to me about kalani.
And poor Burt he never really did get a chance to really grieve over tommy. Don't think it's ever been mentioned but doubtful he and Shirley ever had kids. Tommy (and now Saul ) seem to fill the void of someone to care for... Quite sad really.
And hopes character has always been a metaphor.......:/

[zombiederek]

I think you underestimate Datu. The poor bastard can only take so much before he snaps completely. And if Hope is dead, Datu's going to go over the edge hard.

I'm imagining him grabbing a wrench from his toolbox and taking a swing right for Angel's face. Like I said before, it won't fair, but Datu won't be in any condition to care about fair.

How awesome would it be to see a one on one duel between Datu and Steven (who I believe is the rat). It would be a nice change of pace with him instead of his just pissing and moaning all the time.

[zombiederek]

Ok I'm not sure if this has been touched on yet, but I was listening to chapter 20 again and Lizzy is narrating her story as if she were writing in her journal...which she has no access to. So does this mean that the end has come for all of the characters and this is just a recount of events from the journal's or could one argue that Lizzy or maybe even other characters are already dead and are just narrating their stories from beyond? Not sure if this has been talked about yet but I think this is something to consider.

[nikvoodoo]

Ok I'm not sure if this has been touched on yet, but I was listening to chapter 20 again and Lizzy is narrating her story as if she were writing in her journal...which she has no access to. So does this mean that the end has come for all of the characters and this is just a recount of events from the journal's or could one argue that Lizzy or maybe even other characters are already dead and are just narrating their stories from beyond? Not sure if this has been talked about yet but I think this is something to consider.

This is a can of worms you are opening that has no good answer at this moment (and honestly we may never know the answer until the final chapter part). And this discussion has come up before on the forum but I think it might have come up in a compilation thread, or maybe a chapter discussion because I can't find it right now. (HINT HINT: Who wants to make a theory thread about the journals?)

Lizzy doesn't have access to her written journal, but she was recording either an audio or a videotaped journal entry to comfort herself. As for the lines she said after the recorder clicked off (when she was in the car dealership parking lot), I took that as she was just talking to herself and for the sake of no one but herself, not as a journal entry.

[nikvoodoo]

First off hello. Sorta new here.
A few things I've noticed that nobody seems to have mentioned.. It was just what, last chapter that we had semi screwed up timelines. So Burt talking to kalani could have been after the shooting. Datu was getting the tools together when angel/hope took over for kelly. Also when kalani radioed Burt there was a certain hurried sound to his voice at first and the motor sounded like high acceleration. ( that could just be coincidence). Another thing is Burt said kalani sent them to lax. Burt saw a hawiian airlines on the Tarmac. Wouldn't kalani have already known the coast guard chopper was there then? I dunno, I like the rilely on a revenge theory better but too many things still don't add up to me about kalani.
And poor Burt he never really did get a chance to really grieve over tommy. Don't think it's ever been mentioned but doubtful he and Shirley ever had kids. Tommy (and now Saul ) seem to fill the void of someone to care for... Quite sad really.
And hopes character has always been a metaphor.......:/

Welcome to the party!

Very frequently the timeline of the narrative gets skewed. For instance when Michael, Pegs and Kelly were stuck in the Colony, the Angel and Kalani storyline that was being told along side it happened at a different time. And you are correct, it would seem Burt/Kalani radio conversation apparently has happened after the assassination of Pippin.

Kalani's story is he was rushing from the instant he landed. If he was running for his fat life, he probably wouldn't take notice of a helicopter in the area. Besides, LAX is huge and Burt's mention of the Hawaiian Airlines plane could have been a very far distance away from the chopper they found since it was contained in narration and not real time dialogue with Saul.

Great first post! Very good observations