Chapter 22 - "Our Doubts Are Traitors" - Part 1

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

i don't believe that the shooter actually shot Hope, they just put another bullet in pippin. The sounds after the final gun shot don't sound like a body hitting the floor, just of someone hurrying out of a room.

Has anyone thought about why it was that Michael didn't want Pegs to do monitor duty?

I don't think it had much to do with Pegs wanting to kill Pippin, she doesn't seem bloodthirsty (especially considering she breaks down after killing John in the Maller attack).
I think it had more to do with Michael being protective of Pegs and that he didn't want her anywhere near Pippin, who at that point could not be trusted and was thought
to be dangerous.

Also Datu being the mole? I don't remember anything that could potentially lead him to do any harm to the tower.

[cupcakezombie]

Thanks, wasn't trying to push the Datu is rat theory, was just lost on timeline. Although, relistening it sounds like the car is pulling away when they are talking to Saul and Burt. In terms of people thinking that they are on the road while this is all happening, we have not proof of that. Only that when they tried to call the radio was down. KC has had the out of sync plotlines before. Also, I thought it was slightly strange that Kalani told the other guys to call instead of him. Just a few things that caught my interest.

I agree with lots of comments above that we can not say for sure who the shooter is, and even if the shooter and rat are the same person, but I think they are.
Also I think the timing is very convienent. If the shooter had tried while Kelly was on duty, then she is unlikely to have left the room to go investigate the alarm, rather I think she would have called for help. It seems that the shooter waited for someone who would go to investigate. The fact that Hope was there is almost an aside, the rat just needed to get the guard out of the room. The shooter may not have even realised that she was going to be there, or that she would be left by Angel.
I think the reason it was not done at night while Michael was on is that spotting a person around at night is more likely to be remembered then during the day.
One further note is that I don't specifically think that Angel did anything too wrong leaving Hope in the room. The whole purpose of her being there was so that she could help out with the guard duty.

[COsurvivor]

Angel did not want to help following people...

Burt - he was sick and "most likely" to far to help with limited resources.

Lizzie aka. Blondie- her Boyfriend (forgot his name) and her just about bashed the door in early on. Did not want whatever was chasing them to come into the Tower. Considered her useless as she went hysterical...

Skittles - Yes this guy... He had information of the other tower and of other things, but since his brain did not function correctly. Angel did not care for him...

Did I miss any?

[sysasysa]

I read the whole thread and I have some ideas.

a) Kalani and Datu teamed up to shoot Pipin. The timeline could have been altered so the call to tower could have happened after Pipin was shot. Also as cupcakezombie said they told Burt and Saul to call the tower. Also early in the threat there was a theory that the shooter had an accomplice. But the motive is unexistent in my head and the probability of this is veeeeery slim.

b) Steve is the shooter and the Rat. First he kicks out Lizzie, then he doesn´t want to guard Pipin and Pipin recognizes him as the Rat. This is the obvious option. But everyone thinks its the most obvious so KC wouldn´t make this a possibility. But that can be what KC wants us to think. Maybe he watns us to think that we think that its too obvious. And maybe...

Also was anyone else disappointed that we didn´t hear the Maulers story continuation again?

[Crocketman]

who was in the radio room... all you have to know.

[HardKor]

I read the whole thread and I have some ideas.

a) Kalani and Datu teamed up to shoot Pipin. The timeline could have been altered so the call to tower could have happened after Pipin was shot. Also as cupcakezombie said they told Burt and Saul to call the tower. Also early in the threat there was a theory that the shooter had an accomplice. But the motive is unexistent in my head and the probability of this is veeeeery slim.

It really seems unlikely that the timeline could be far enough off to allow for Kalani and Datu to have still been at the Tower during the shooting, You have to assume that Angel (assuming he isn't the culprit) is going to investigate the alarm and then return to the guard room and find the body (bodies?) and sound the alarm. Kalani and Datu wouldn't have been able to do the deed and then get out fast enough to avoid suspicion.

[AdrianHD]

Okay, okay.

First, seriously, I think Steven is the biggest red herring in We're Alive. It doesn't make sense for Kc to use Steven as the rat or shooter when this is the second time we've heard from him. It makes total sense, but he's obviously just a character to make us forget about the overall picture.

Second, after hearing it again, Riley make sense. I'm going to stick my neck out there and say it was her. She wasn't present during the chat between Durai and the Tower either, wasn't she? I'm going to re-listen to the series and see if she does anything fishy. As it stands, she's my suspect.

Third, I don't think Hope is dead. Hope has one purpose, to put the spotlight back on Datu and make him look like a father figure. I can't see her being written out just yet.

[Crocketman]

Riley did not originate from the prison.

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

First, seriously, I think Steven is the biggest red herring in We're Alive. It doesn't make sense for Kc to use Steven as the rat or shooter when this is the second time we've heard from him. It makes total sense, but he's obviously just a character to make us forget about the overall picture.

The way Steven is used (in terms of his dialogue) it just seems that he is either being used as a decoy to make listeners think that he is the rat/assassin, but there is always the possibility and likely hood that he is being used as a device to move the story along. Either way, there must be some kind of twist as to who did what and for what reasons. I don't think KC would have made it that easy, but again, there is always the possibility that he did.

Oh, speaking of red herring..."Communism was just a red herring..." Oh Clue (1985) what an awesome movie you were.

[Th3_T3ch]

(((( My theory... it is wrong.... Kalani isn't the rat.