I agree with you, but please spell better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shouldersmalone
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I agree with you, but please spell better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shouldersmalone
Obviously Shouldersmalone is terribly upset about Angel but I have faith in KC that the story will unfold so we get that shock and awe, I don't want KC to ever get the feeling that he should have to change the story line to suite the outcry of listeners, this isn't star wars episode 1, and He isn't George Lucas. That wasn't meant as an insult by any means. I have full faith in the storyteller. I came to the realization that the story is really damn good and I was distraught about Angel dying just shows how much indepth this story goes and ill be tuned in again to see how this masterpiece evolves. I still miss Angel though.....:)
OK. So, who does everyone think the 2nd person was that Scratch referred to before the tower fell? The consensus is that it could be Hannah. After all, Kalani was with with choppers when the group went to make the exchange. We don't know for sure if it was her that was shot or not. Kalani seemed to think it was, but there was no confirmation.
Could it be that the Mallers picked up Skittles? The only thing is, I'm not sure why she'd refer to Skittles as being a member of the Tower. He was a resident of CJ's tower. But, only had brief interaction with the members of the 2nd tower.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out if Burt and Lizzy have any help where they are. I wouldn't think that Hannah would be a major help to them. But, maybe I'm wrong. I would think that Skittles could be. But, not if he's suspected of being "with" the Tower group. He'd be detained, or at least guarded ... like Hannah would be, if he was the 2nd person Scratch was talking about. If the 2nd person is Hannah or Skittles I'd think they'd be restricted as to how much help they could give either Burt or Lizzy.
This was a thought from a fellow member (and coworker of mine) Lvmetndr: she believes, and I agree, that Scratch will not bother torturing Burt, a former Marine and current badass. She'll likely torture Lizzie in front of Burt and thereby cause him to confess and spill the whereabouts of Michael and the rest.
I'm thinking that Scratch also kept Lizzie alive because she knows Lizzie is preggers. She may have suspected it earlier when she was keeping Lizzie alive as a bargaining chip, but now that they are in the company of doctors, they can check her blood or urine to see if she actually is pregnant. The question is, what will Scratch do if she learns that Michael is at Ft. Irwin. Will they give up on chasing them down, send a scouting party, or possibly try radio contact?
Love her or Hate her....Scratch is a survivor and a Control Freak....
Neither of those personality traits are known to be associated with individuals that let things go....or ever give up....
As far as Angel....I don't wanna see him die....But if that is how Sgt. Wayland says Angel went to meet our "Ranger" God....All I can say is...The Lt. Conducted himself Admirably (He kept his mouth shut)....He was then...and Always will be Hooah In my book....
Just my .02
~M~
I think it's Lizzie. I had a thread on theories (and i cannot get it to link on this thing) "Hannah Dead or Alive?" Where I picked through Tar's line in the season 2 finale when he and Scratch are discussing Pippin infront of Lizzie. Tar saus something to the effect of "Fine, ifthey make the exchange SHE tells them, never liked him anyhow." Which leads me to beilieve that SHE is Hannah, be cause Hannah would be able to know that Pippin was a maller.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ Bean
However this does lead to one question: How much does Lizzie know? When they return from the colony the tower has already set thier sites on Ft. Irwin so did she know before she left?
My interpretation on Tar's line was that he was referring to Lizzie as "she". At that point in the story Scratch and company were waiting on the tower folk to either exchange Lizzie for Pegs or be blown to smithereens. Why would Tar make that comment when they're talking in front of Lizzie at that moment? Hannah knows/knew who Pippin is/was regardless of Scratch and Tar talking about him in front of Lizzie.Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
It's my opinion that Lizzie doesn't know for sure where they are going and Scratch believes her. This is why I think Scratch's line of "It's just you now, and we have all the time in the world." means that Burt is the only left that they picked up from the remains of the tower. I haven't seen this stated before, though I might have missed it, but I think Scratch picked up three people from the tower. She says she recognized Angel because of the ring in his pocket, but at the end of chapter 24 there is no indication and not enough time for them to find the ring in the pocket. Scratch says "put him with the old man, I found what I was looking for", to me this implies that she found what she was looking for and to put this other person with the old man (Burt). My guess is that they also found Kalani, but he died. She makes the comment of "...we have all the time in the world." because Kalani and Angel were on borrowed time and have already died, but since Burt is seemingly healthy they have plenty of time to "go to work on him".Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
I've always felt like they found three people after the tower collapse, but my suspicions became stronger when I listened to the newest episode. I don't have any ideas or speculation on why it's important Kalani or potentially another person was found by Scratch in addition to Angel and Burt. It's just a thought I've had and wanted to share.
I'm with others that have said Scratch will probably use Lizzie to persuade Burt to speak.
even tho i didnt like angel much.. i am upset that he was killed off.. i dont understand why an it is getting to me... second thing! i am so upset with the whole michael and peggs BS they need to stay together!!!!!! and if michael and riley "plot" turns up then i will not be too happy with that either.. on top of all of this..... where the heck is saul and vick? i really miss saul! he is the best.. and what has happened to lizzy? we havent heard from her in quite sime time! hope she is doing ok :-)
well im out for now! check back later
Well, I meant outside the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
After another listen through I picked up on another detail besides the "THE Family" detail I mentioned earlier.
At 8:58, Scratch says: "He's still one of us. One of the families. Plural families.
I think that it is possible that Durai; Scratch and Latch; and Angel are from different Blood Families or family lines of the same distantly related progenitor.
THE Family is, shall we say an association of sorts between them, an agreement to work toward a common goal.
I posit that this is why Durai didn't/doesn't use his last name and Scratch and Latch are (were) using nicknames. To hide their lineage. Maybe there was a falling out among the bloodlines. Maybe that dispute had to do with launching the Apocalypse.
14:15 "Your Daddy would be so proud." (Not our) I think that Scratch and Angel may be cousins.
Bigger question is, who else is "Family?"
(Maybe there are twelve blood lines and there is a council and together they decide the fate of..... WOOOOO! Grab your hats! :tinfoil:)
The way Scratch was talking made me think that she was still all goody goody with the Families and Angel wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
I know I'm not adding anything original here...but son of a bitch. Angel was my favorite too and I've been waiting all season for him to come back. That wasn't exactly what I had mind though! I'm just gonna assume Shane wasn't wanting or was unable to return to the role though as surely KC wouldn't have been nutty enough to off the best character in this story. Damn, now I don't know who to root for! Most of the other tower crew vaguely annoy me. Oh well, there's always Riley and Burt I guess.
I don't think Kc would have changed the story purely on Shane's inability to do it. It's possible but I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robalypse
Seriously, guys he fell from how many stories? He was dead the minute he was left behind. I'm sad too, but it was a brilliant death, bad ass right to the bitter end.
Not necessarily, Tar dust said that Angel was rappelling down a metal grating and could possibly have made it..... if the tanker wasn't below it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
True, but back when they left him it wasn't looking good. Angel was such a bad ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
I hear you there yarri, but there was an implied...survival there at the end of the last season. Enough so that I was like, "ok, that's pretty big but clearly Angel isn't really dead." It felt very open ended, not just from a standpoint of KC keeping us guessing, but as in it was expected he would probably be back. Plus why keep him alive just to kill him off again in such a flat fashion unless there were some behind the scenes issues there? The relationshp between Riley and him never even had a chance to arrive at any sort of satisfying narrative conclusion either.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
Hopefully, if it is a case of Shane Salk not being available to reprise the role, things between him and KC are still kosher as I do have to give the guy much respect for being one of the cocreators and favorite voices even though he seems to have stepped away from the show.
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Originally Posted by Robalypse
I always felt the implication of survival was slim at best. The relationship between Riley and Angel I never felt was meant to go further then it did. The abruptness of his death lent a bittersweet element to the ending for me as a listener and I suspect it will further the character development of Riley.
Shane and Kc's relationship isn't my business. I'm eternally grateful that I'm allowed to frequent this forum and be a member of such an amazing place and a listener of an equally amazing story.
The implication of survival is in the viewers head. When you think about it from what happened...there should be no real expectation he survived. We assumed he had. We were right. But he was barely alive when he was found. He was barely alive when he just saw him....not too much changed from 24 till now.
In the story it has only been a week or so.... right? Not much time has passed since the end of season 2, so not much could change.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I think less than a week. Michael and crew spent one night in a field, three or so nights in holding waiting for kimmet, one more after they decided to go to boulder. Not to say that the hospital scene with Angel happened in the same time frame as Michael's story...Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
Nobody is going to murder Scratch. I don't know where you crazy kids come up with these ideas. :hsugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERWRE...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERWRE...eature=related
I heard this and thought of Scratch.....
I always think of Billy Joel when I think of Scratch. Goes together like bacon and breathing.
:mad: I Cant believe what I heard on this episode I rarely comment on the story line because its been so good by KC but what was this one about? I can't
believe they killed off Angel and have Burt still alive. I knew they were still alive but hell, not in the Mallers hands. Damn it I cant believe it I wanted them to come back, when I heard that chapter while I was driving I felt so mad I looked for a fight that night to blow off the steam. Didnt work well. I listen to this religiously and recruited at least a dozen other listeners and we all agree that was a move to close off the story line. I would've hoped they all met up togather group by group till and back at the safe zone. I hope Saul, Victor, and CJ can team up good aand quick enough to rescure the hurt burt again.
I do appriciate and comments or suggestions you might want to throw back. And if you read these actors or (Podcast) We're not dead you tell those actors and writers to not end it till season 10 or so.
In my recollection Zombie stories don't have a happy ride off into the sunset ending. You should start bracing yourself and maybe really studying the end of Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, or any other zombie story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clapacap24
In some ways the death of Angel seems necessary. Life expectancy in the WA world must be pretty short, so there will probably be more favourites shuffling off this mortal coil sooner rather than later, except Riley of course (if her new love interest, his name is Vee, is ever written in he’ll make sure she’s ok).
Congratulations, does she know yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
Sadly not :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
:zombiepoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
Not a blaze of Glory? What do you mean! That mow-foe did a instant repell down a metal cable into a freakin burning tanker... AND LIVED... long enough to get to that scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Bad ass.
Thank you my feelings exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollomandious
36 pages? Cheesus Crust... cliffs? Anyone?
And, He died giving a final F you to Scratch. Blaze of Glory IndeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollomandious
Towards the end of his life my Grandfather, who I adored, became very ill, leukemia. He was 76 and spent the last days of his life in a hospital bed. He’d survived WWII, a tank reclamation officer. He and his colleagues went back over enemy lines to try and get broken down and damaged tanks back for repair. He wouldn’t talk about it any more than that and I can only imagine some of the horrors he must have seen. When he returned from the war he went down the mines, as most people from that part of South Wales tended to have to do. A shaft collapsed, he survived, but left one of his legs behind. It didn’t affect him that much, he had to work above ground, but he still did 50 sit ups, 50 press ups and, surprisingly, 50 star jumps (with his prosthetic on) every morning, until he was 74. He was a strong man, who loved life. I remember him getting into a fight in the pub in his late 60’s, against a 20 year old, the 20 year old didn’t stand a chance.
The reason I’m telling you this is because the scene with Angel, his exit, reminds me of the Grandfathers final moments. He couldn’t speak but wanted to tell his children something, so they hurriedly found a piece of cardboard, torn off a box, and a pen. On it he wrote, “The End”, and then he died.
Very few of us get to go out in a blaze of glory, the most we can really hope for is a little dignity.
I'm both sorry for your loss and proud of your grandfather for his awesome last lineQuote:
Originally Posted by VEE
Thanks, was a while ago now, but i think of him often.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
The scene with Angel seemed very 'right' to me I guess.
I'm with you. I haven't seen this much activity on one episode is a while. Makes ya wonder what the next chapter will bring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris