Chapter 44-3: Life and Death

This story is the timeless classic of Good vs Evil....... Just understand that Good always triumphs!!! :)

CJ = Evil

Michael = Good

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

According to Ed Grabianowski at io9, (not just him obviously) humans have survived near extinctions before.


Now, of course, every school child knows it was the first proto-zombie outbreak. :D

I think Ink is making a bad thing 1000x worse. Remember, people in the Colony had never seen a behemoth before. The zoms they knew were bad but unorganized. They tended to do random crowd movement type runs. Assuming that Ink isn't one of a cadre with members all over the world--we don't know what's going on everywhere.

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In 2003 scientists met and considered the challenges of a multi-generation starship concept. And in these thoughts they considered that a group of roughly around 200 persons would be the lowest end of the bargain, if you wish to uphold diversity in the genepool ... If you like to learn more about it, read this book:
http://books.google.de/books/about/I...AJ&redir_esc=y

The Colonists are far below this.

Even if they meet other survivors - and we already know how bad this may end -, the other group(s) need to be big enough to reach this critical mass ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Gnex

This story is the timeless classic of Good vs Evil....... Just understand that Good always triumphs!!! :)

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No. This is a zombocalypse. The good never win.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

CJ = Evil

Michael = Good

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Even IF CJ is evil, there is worse than that ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Gnex

This story is the timeless classic of Good vs Evil....... Just understand that Good always triumphs!!! :)

CJ = Evil

Michael = Good

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PHASES OF GRIEF

✓ 1. Denial
✓ 2. Anger
✓ 3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Well as far as we know LA is the only place with ink. So IMO there is a good chance there are larger groups in areas far north or in very remote areas..

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

PHASES OF GRIEF

✓ 1. Denial
✓ 2. Anger
✓ 3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

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Boooo!!!! and Booo on KC for the Like!!!! :mad:

And technically..... I would still be at #2...... Anger at CJ!!!!

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

Well as far as we know LA is the only place with ink. So IMO there is a good chance there are larger groups in areas far north or in very remote areas..

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There could be other areas with characters similar to Ink. Some sort of regional overlord of the zombies or something within hierarchy of zombie politics. At the head of it all is the grand master overlord responsible for it all! Muahahaha.

Or maybe the rest of the world is fine and has quarantined North and South America to stop the spread.

Hope Burt and Riley didn't hear the distress call, and are now heading o the hospital. it's full of zombies!

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

I was thinking along similar lines earlier this evening... about a population bottleneck and the Mount Toba eruption.

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Credit where credit is due. I had a vague memory of someone writing something similar. Guess who that was? YOU! I wonder if KC was talking about your post when he said someone had figured out a chunk of it.

Here it is again:

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

(Hey, nikvoodoo, as verbose as I tend to be and I am about to get, I'm horrible at properly titling. So feel free to re-title this appropriately.)

Alright everyone, I have been going down the Wikipedia rabbit hole off and on for the past week or so and spent the better part of the day today putting this together and I think I've nailed it. A decent theory of the underlying cause and how it worked.

Attachment 2400

Hold on to your hats everyone, I'm about to get overly sciency up in here!

The only good way for me to get this out of my head effectively is to do so chronologically and start from the beginning. So lets get started.

• Hadean Eon: 4567.17 - 4000 million years ago which was followed by the
• Archean Eon: 4000 - 2500 million years ago and the period of
• Late Heavy Bombardment that straddled the end of the Hadean and the beginning of the Archean

(When I said beginning, I wasn't BS'ing. Here's a more comprehensive timeline.)

From the Hadean article, which echoes pretty much everything I had previously learned about the formation of the earth:

No sense in retyping it, I'll quote it instead. It says everything I wanted to. However, one theoretical vector worth mentioning is Panspermia with Extremophiles. Bombardment might have brought life to Earth on stellar debris or, Earth might have been a source of life in that the bombardment might have taken Hadean or Archean Proto-life with it on ejecta thrown into space... (I'll be coming back to that later.)

After the Archean Eon was the

• Proterozoic Eon: 2500 - 541 million years ago (That end date range will be important soon.)

Now, this is a a bit of an oversimplification, but for the majority of the Archean and Proterozoic Eons, life was simple... single celled life that sometimes organized into colonies. For 3.5 Billion years that is all that life did. Be Boring. Then something changed. What?

• The Cambrian Explosion, around 530 million years ago.

But why the sudden explosion and diversification of life? Was there something to it? I posit that there was something holding it back. The Zombie Plague. Walk the dog with me here and I'll explain. (Bear with me, I might get a bit disjointed as I jump around and start getting into conjecture.)

Throughout the history of the Earth there have been Extinction Level Events. The chart at that link shows the pattern of ELE since the Cambrian explosion, but what is to say that they weren't happening before then too? They probably were, we just have no fossil record of them.

From the Bacteria Page:


Despite the simplicity of the life present, I'm sure it was diverse, but not homogeneous. It is likely that certain species of bacteria were specific to certain biomes then, as they are now.

I further conjecture that the "Zombie" Plague is a bacteria, or a bacteria like organism and an Extremophile. As we know it is hostile to other forms of life... Keeping other forms of life "in check," periodically killing off life in ELE's as their proliferation ebbed and flowed with time. Therefore it was at some point removed from the Earth's surface in order to allow the Cambrian Explosion to occur.

How would this be possible without its eradication? I have previously mentioned Sequestration, and I think I have figured out how.

• The Farallon Tectonic Plate has suggest to me how it might be possible.

The Farallon plate was one of the many tectonic plates that were present when Pangaea broke up during the Jurassic. I say was, because it is gone. The Pacific plate pushed it into North America and it subducted. The funny thing is that it is still kinda there, breaking up as it floats about in the Mantle under North America..

I therefor suggest that the biome that the "Zombie Plague Bacteria" was present in was on a plate that subducted "shortly" before the Cambrian Explosion. The sequestration of the plague allowed the explosion to take place. That plate broke up into large chunks and through the process of Mantle Convection, those chunks spread across the globe, under the surface of the tectonic plates, carrying with them pockets of viable ZPB Extremophiles. There, for over a half a Billion years, the E-ZPB waited just below the surface. At vents, mid-ocean ridges, volcanoes and fault lines, this debris accumulated until it was somehow released, releasing E-ZPB back into the world.

I will admit though, one of the main places this theory falls down is how/why was the release nearly simultaneous at the global level?


As an interesting aside, I mentioned that Earth could have been a source for Panspermia... It has been suggested that the Zombie Plague killed the dinosaurs. The current belief is that the Chicxulub Crater Impact 65 million Y/O was what did them in with the K-Pg extinction event... However, there is some preliminary evidence that something was already killing them off. Some sort of disease. Also, there is increasing evidence that the ELE wasn't caused by a singular event, that it was the culmination of multiple impacts. One or more of these may have been ejecta from an Hadean/Archean impact and brought E-ZPB back to Earth or released it from below the surface...


(Alright, I'm done. I'm going cross-eyed and getting a headache still looking at this.)

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Hope Burt and Riley didn't here the distress call, and are now heading o the hospital. it's full of zombies!

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Hopefully, they can see and/or hear the copter pass by, since I'm guess there not much noise to block it out. If not, we get another describe of Treehemoth on the ground account.

Just want to add lizzy and datu appeared in the same episode back in season 1 (2-1) and they both died in the same episode :'(

A bit of a coincidence

man…this episode got me crying…sucks to be giving into labor during a zombie apocalypse…though is Saul and the others were able to get the stuff that was needed do you think lizzy would still have a chance on living? Don't know if anybody has mention it lately…probably somebody has….

Just for the record:

Page 30.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Just for the record:

Page 30.

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O_oSay what now?O_o

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:oD'oh! the thread count:o

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

O_oSay what now?O_o

:britt:
:oD'oh! the thread count:o

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It is meant to be a tribute to Osiris' and the WA fans. So, yeah, the thread count ...

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

It is meant to be a tribute to Osiris' and the WA fans. So, yeah, the thread count ...

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Sometimes I'm slow on the ................um............uptake.:nik:

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Originally Posted by Osiris

If you're going to blame ANYONE for this whole thing, you have to go back much further than CJ. It can all be traced back to the moment when Burt unzipped his pants, and showed Scratch that his dick was bigger when he shot out the side mirror of the rig in chapter 6 (?). If that hadn't happened, Scratch would likely not have found the Tower, and Pegs wouldn't have shot Latch causing all the non-zombie chaos and forcing the residents of the Tower to be scattered.

There's just no arguing that logic.

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Actually, this goes all the way back to my countryman Eugenio Barsanti, who invented the internal combustion engine in the 18th century, leading to its diffusion and popularity, leading to a diesel generator being the only reliable and fast way to supply power to the Tower, leading to Burt, Saul and Lizzie going to steal the Tanker of Discord from the Maller's territory.
DAMN YOU, EUGENIO!!! :mad:

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Hopefully, they can see and/or hear the copter pass by, since I'm guess there not much noise to block it out. If not, we get another describe of Treehemoth on the ground account.

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some how i picture this:

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Burt and Riley headed to the Hospital in their newly-armored truck Burt had worked tirelessly on for months. Unable to pass the 10 MPG threshold he was shooting for, Burt frowned at the fuel gauge. "Remind me to look into a hybrid next time."

Riley shook her head but kept her eyes on the road. "One more block up. Can you see anything?"

"No, but i can hear something." Burt pointed upward, through the front slats. "Look, the Pelican!"

Leaning forward, Riley squinted. "What's that hanging off of it?"

Before Burt could reply, the large object that had clung to the chopper began to free-fall. Its descent was too fast for Burt to react, and the giant mass fell directly onto the hood of Burt's once-pristine armored truck--stopping it dead in its tracks. The whiplash was enough to leave both of them dazed for a few seconds.

"Dammit!" Burt managed to cough out.

Riley did her best to hold back a scream but failed to do so. "What the hell? Are Behemoths just falling from the sky?"

Burt's face darked and reddened at the same time. "My truck. My brand-new truck!" he yelled, punctuating each syllable with a enormous croak from the horn on the stearing wheel.

Hearing a distant hoard assembling from just outside the Hospital's entrance, Riley tried to grab Burt's arm. "Burt, stop! You're attracting more of those things!" she pleaded.

"They're dead! They're all dead!"

Burt slammed his foot on the gas pedal and swerved the truck along one of the buildings. The dead behemoth's leg caught on an already broken lamp post and hurled the giant beast off the hood. Flooring it, Burt gritted his teeth with more malice than Riley had ever seen. "Dead," he kept hissing, as he headed straight for the on-coming crowd of zombies.

Complete with barbed wire, spikes, and bumpers, the truck was a deadly machine when coupled with speed. Burt struck the first group in manic rage, liquifying and running down the two dozen normals within a few seconds. "Dead!"

He then flipped a switch on the dashboard and continued onto the next, larger group. Below the truck's frame, ardent fire errupted along the vents of a pair of metal pipes that ran along both sides. The fire, consumed those that had not met the front end of the truck or were trampled underneath the reinforced wheels. "You're all dead!"

Riley wanted to roll her eyes, but found the entire scene rather fitting. Burt had hyped his truck up so much that she was sure if he had not been able to use it today, he would have sought out a hoard of zombies just to take an advanced test drive. When the corner of Burt's mouth curled into a smile, Riley knew it wasn't a sinister one. It was the grin of a boy finally being told that it was playtime and he could go outside.

And Burt was enjoying the hell out of it.

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Originally Posted by Jannit

There could be other areas with characters similar to Ink. Some sort of regional overlord of the zombies or something within hierarchy of zombie politics. At the head of it all is the grand master overlord responsible for it all! Muahahaha.

Or maybe the rest of the world is fine and has quarantined North and South America to stop the spread.

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Ha Ha Ha. Maybe it's Obama.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

It is meant to be a tribute to Osiris' and the WA fans. So, yeah, the thread count ...

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Page*.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Page*.

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Agree with Page*

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Originally Posted by SalamanderBea

Just want to add lizzy and datu appeared in the same episode back in season 1 (2-1) and they both died in the same episode :'(

A bit of a coincidence

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Good one!!!

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Let's agree that they both help. :D This goes out to all the CJ and Pegs haters out there!!!!!!

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I am grudgingly glad they helped and yep I hate them both.

I will miss Datu. I actually suspected that it would be Saul that died never getting to see the baby, thought when he heard him cry over the radio that would be his only contact and he would have been killed trying to keep them all safe. Glad it wasn't Saul yet but he's gotta turn, like Tanya unless they find a cure and I predict baby Nicholas will be raised by Kelly and Victor.

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

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Originally Posted by Osiris

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

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Hm, George R. R. Martin FTW! BTW, you can travel to Red Wedding anytime you like. Besides (West) Berlin is quite as cold as Westeros during the winter.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I kept wondering if this was a line from a previous episode.

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I just thought cuz Saul said he would always be by her side. Lizzy, when she said that, knew she wasn't going to make it.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Hm, George R. R. Martin FTW! BTW, you can travel to Red Wedding anytime you like. Besides (West) Berlin is quite as cold as Westeros during the winter.

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Kc R.R. Wayland

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Originally Posted by Osiris

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

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Let's not forget that KC basically took out the whole group of military guys with 1 quick Behemoth punching death scene!!!! :britt:

KC can get rid of people with a quickness if he needs to....... :nik:

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Kc R.R. Wayland

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Minus the incestuous sex scenes

At some point there will be a Scratch showdown.................. I see that scene getting rid of at least 3-4 characters if not more........

Scratch, Tardust, prolly Riley or Burt(Or Both), and who knows who else...........


Then you still have a showdown with Ink at some point........

Rest assured there is still a lot more death around the corner!

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

Minus the incestuous sex scenes

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and the 3 hour long food descriptions.......

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Originally Posted by Osiris

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

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What's a Red Wedding?
I think Pegs might be the next one to die. She flies back to the Colony. And isn't this the place where Scratch and Tardust are still?
But maybe it won't be Pegs dying, but instead Kelly being "the opposite role" of Scratch in terms of crime and justice ... I don't think it will be CJ or Tanya, 'cause CJ is totally intersted in kicking Pegs. Maybe it is Scratch dying while she tries to finish off Pegs, and then Scratch gets effed up by the other survivors after that? My take is: someone in that corner will die next.

Besides that - and I am sorry to mention this - Victor could be (one of) the next one(s). Somehow I think that Michael and Victor get cornered in the arena or at least on zeehs' turf. And then, while hiding, Victor will die, while Michael is able to find the right protection. After all it was Michael stating several times how worse things would be in this zeeh-pocalypse.

If I am wrong with any of these estimates, then it will be Lady and or Mr Whiskers and or Mr Magoo or one random crow ...

Best wishes!
Liam

Just finished listening. Blown away and devastated. I need time to sit with this episode. Wow. Very affecting...

JBV

There is too much going on for our survivors to be bothered with Scratch. Ain't nobody got time for that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nVfxd-iuFZ...weet-brown.jpg


Unfortunately, it sounds like she has a plan in motion. Hope she gets some serious comeuppance.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

There is too much going on for our survivors to be bothered with Scratch. Ain't nobody got time for that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nVfxd-iuFZ...weet-brown.jpg


Unfortunately, it sounds like she has a plan in motion. Hope she gets some serious comeuppance.

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Well, unfortunately, I have to disagree to a certain degree ...
Burt and Riley are out there only for her.

But yes, none else has Scratch on his or her agenda right now. Too bad that Scratch will change this sooner than later. She and Tardust were introduced recently. And considering how close we get in the WA world to me things look like this: either we will witness her reappearance during the next two chapters or during the major finale in #47 and especially #48 ... And that is an interesting question for a new poll, isn't it ... ?

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

What's a Red Wedding?

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Spoilers from Game of Thrones below. You've been warned.

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The Red Wedding is a massacre during the War of the Five Kings arranged by Lord Walder Frey as revenge against King Robb Stark for breaking the marriage pact between House Stark and House Frey. During the massacre, King Robb, his wife, Queen Talisa, his mother, Lady Catelyn, and most of his bannermen and men-at-arms are murdered following the marriage feast and bedding of Edmure Tully and Roslin Frey. (From GoT Wiki)

This scene in the TV show on HBO got a LOT of outcry as it effectively killed off a main story line in the movie and got rid of some of people's favorite characters.

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Originally Posted by Jannit

Spoilers from Game of Thrones below. You've been warned.

SPOILER 

The Red Wedding is a massacre during the War of the Five Kings arranged by Lord Walder Frey as revenge against King Robb Stark for breaking the marriage pact between House Stark and House Frey. During the massacre, King Robb, his wife, Queen Talisa, his mother, Lady Catelyn, and most of his bannermen and men-at-arms are murdered following the marriage feast and bedding of Edmure Tully and Roslin Frey. (From GoT Wiki)

This scene in the TV show on HBO got a LOT of outcry as it effectively killed off a main story line in the movie and got rid of some of people's favorite characters.

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Thanks for the warning. But I don'T watch "Game of Thrones" ... But more importantly: thanks for the explanation ...! Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Thanks for the warning. But I don'T watch "Game of Thrones" ... But more importantly: thanks for the explanation ...! Much appreciated.

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You're welcome. The spoiler warning wasn't for you as I assumed you didn't watch the show. The spoiler warning was for anyone else who may be watching iGoT but hadn't gotten to that episode yet.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Thanks for the warning. But I don'T watch "Game of Thrones" ... But more importantly: thanks for the explanation ...! Much appreciated.

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Me neither, I just stumbled upon this little gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0 :D

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Originally Posted by Gnex

At some point there will be a Scratch showdown.................. I see that scene getting rid of at least 3-4 characters if not more........

Scratch, Tardust, prolly Riley or Burt(Or Both), and who knows who else...........


Then you still have a showdown with Ink at some point........

Rest assured there is still a lot more death around the corner!

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Maybe the still unaired scences Scratch is in will be made available after the show has ended as extra DLC. Think about how Saruman's death was handled in LOTR.
Moreover, the whole conclusion of the story is similar to the final of How I Met Your Mother: at first, we will get this pretty happy-ending. But then, a new edited one is secretly included in the "The definite saga collection of WA" where Scratch triumphes at the end and Pegs is crushed to deatch by her cattle*.

* No, I like Pegs, this is not going to happen.