I think they already knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
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I think they already knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
But if they knew, Scratch wouldn't hold all the cards. If they keep them separate she's got more options open.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
I think KC is going to keep us suspense for a bit. He probably go back to Fort Irwin. just to mess with us. lol.
I'm in agreement with werewolf. He's done that quite a bit this season... However, I don't know what plotline there is left to cover at Fort Irwin. So maybe we'll just keep going with Saul, Victor, and CJ as they sneak into The Colony. Hopefully they'll rescue both Lizzy and Burt.
they don't...at least Lizzie doesn't.. Thats what (I think) bricks was keeping from her at the doctors visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
And I'm all for more doctor Belmont!
I finally re-listened to the episode. I had to build up some courage to be able to hear Scott Marvin crying like that again. I wanted to come back and share some more thoughts and I apologize if these have been shared already. I was trying to keep up with this thread but I missed one day and it went from like 12 pages to 29.
I have a strange feeling that CJ, Saul and Victor's trip will not be smooth sailing at all. I base this mostly upon KC's twisted and malevolent world he's created for us. What really are the chances of anything ever going to plan or working out smoothly. In fact, that would be a great new thread. The "Stuff that actually went down how it was supposed too or better" thread, the first thing I can think of right now is ... Saul and Angels first resource run where they discovered Burt.
I've also thought a bit more about how Angels dad could be the one who abused Scratch when she was younger and probably a lot kinder. I'm starting to rethink this now based upon the fact that Angel has such hostility towards Scratch. Angel was a pretty decent guy and if he knew the full story about what happened with his father and Scratch I would think he would have been more sympathetic to Scratch earlier on when they first meet at the Tower in Season 1. There is some dialogue that goes down between Scratch, Latch, Michael and Angel in the lobby of the Tower. I'm sure Angel would have recognized her pretty quick from the scars, and we're all pretty sure Scratch recognized him. So that's that bit I want to throw out there.
I still think we are going to learn that Ink is in the family in some way or another. I, for some reason think of Angel as being Italian. Do we know this somehow? Or is that just because I looked up the last name Tanudo and saw a bunch of Italian related material? If he's Italian, chances are all of the families are Italian. So now I'm thinking Italian mafia. I would think of Italian gangsters wearing "pimp pin stripe suits", but that's just me. Couple this up with Durai seeming to know what to expect and predict about the Zombies, and his adamant determination to destroy the Arena (after all, why would and/or how would an Ex-con be so motivated to thwart the Zombie uprising), you'd think being some kind of pimp gangster you would care more about yourself or just your crew, but doing something that risks your own well being and the well being of some of your best troops for everyones well being seems a bit altruistic. We also can't forget the direct hint that Scratch even mentions that Durai understands what's going on in regards to the creation of the little-ones... What do you think?
I've also gotta give more cred to KC for the incredible accuracy in the full title of this radio drama. "We're Alive, a Story of Survival". After what Lizzy has gone through, Riley, Pegs, Kelly, Saul, Burt etc... I just sometimes step back and go "wow, they all must really want to keep breathing because that would really suck and there is such little hope for anything".
There is no evidence of that. So no, I don't consider it. I understand a deep emotional attachment to an inanimate object, I just think it was overplayed, and agree with an earlier post, that being shot with his own gun would have been a 'better' idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukas A.
Just curious what you would consider evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
All he does is call his gun the same name as that of his deceased wife, and gets upset when it is smashed. People have names for all sorts of things, from their cars to their genitals, and that is in no way evidence that they believe that these things are actually people. At no point during any of Burts dialogue have I thought it odd how he refers to or talks to, or about, his gun. Now if he was having long conversations with it, planning the future with it, making little clothes to go on it, asking its advice and generally being noticeably odd then that would be evidence of “Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)” but I don’t think that has happened, also, Burt has shown himself to be pretty solid and strong for the most part and being completely bonkers doesn’t seem to fit the character at all. He’s been a prisioner quite some time now, as others have pointed out, beaten, starved etc. and all without his gun, he may well have already resigned himself to the fact that he had lost it forever, perhaps the emotion portrayed was nothing to with the gun at all, just that he hadn’t had it for so long and, as Yarri was saying, didn’t have that reminder of his wife that he used to carry with him, until Scratch turns up, with this reminder of his wife, and smashes it to bits. All very sad, but isn’t evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
My mistake. I should have clarified. I wasn't asking for which you would consider evidence that Burt believes the gun actually is his wife. I was curious what you would consider evidence that he has a "psychological problem".Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
My original reply was to this: Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
So I don't have a reply for you.
I'd think that even if they did know about each other they still wouldn't be able to speak to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I disagree as a .50 caliber weapon ( shirley the desert eagle) makes a huge hole in a person and that would have been an automatic kill on Burt as you dont recover with your leg blown off in a situation such as this.I'll opt for what you call "overplayed" in the scene and call it a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
You guys know more about guns than I do so I will bow to your greater knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
This is a representation of Shirley and her bullets
This is a representation of what .50 cal ammo can do to the engine of a truck. The holes are rather BIG.
This is a representation of Burt's knee
its a delicate piece of engineering and very hard to replace even in the best of times in the world. As an Orthopedic nurse. I'll tell you the replacements of knees are never as good as the original.
So as a public service announcement I'm saying .... "Lets not shoot Burt in any portion of his body... I like Burt."
... Scratch however...Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
This is a representation of Shirley and her bullets
This is a representation of what .50 cal ammo can do to the engine of a truck. The holes are rather BIG.
This is a representation of Burt's knee
its a delicate piece of engineering and very hard to replace even in the best of times in the world. As an Orthopedic nurse. I'll tell you the replacements of knees are never as good as the original.
So as a public service announcement I'm saying .... "Lets not shoot Burt in any portion of his body... I like Burt."
Why isn't Burt wearing any trousers? What are you doing to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
we've missed 6 months of goings on at irwin, there could be any number of developments at the base. plus the recon team that was sent into the city, we still don't know anything about what they were doing or why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuolinkorinaa
I'm thinking that the only way Burt will be help is through Bricks. He the only one that know both Liz and Burt are there. So that how Bricks will turn on to the Mallory. I see this happening, Saul is going to lose focus and go find Liz on his own and find Bricks, since he hold all the keys and probably be on guard duty. The worse situation is that he in the room with Liz and Saul take in the wrong way.
This is a representation of Shirley and her bullets
Ahh.. Personally, I think I'm in love with Shirley too :). What a fine piece of work she is. She is so strong, powerful, and beautiful. Id keep her by my side all the time too. I wonder where her name was engraved at. I imagine it had to be rather large and beautiful. How could Scratch have destroyed her. Oh, so sad.. I weep..nooooo..
Mallony! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
I do think that there is potential for Saul to see Liz and Bricks together and make the wrong assumption. It could either end up with Saul broken hearted for a moment, or more drastically, he assumes Bricks is the one who raped Liz and shoots Bricks.
But that was an old theory I had. As the story has progressed, I'm starting to think there might be more in store for Bricks. He might actually assist Burt and Liz into escaping. He seems like the type that takes orders, and right now, Lizzy can't give orders since she is just a minority. But if Bricks saw Saul, Victor, Burt, and CJ united, he might think he has a chance to join a new team, a better one.
THEN there is also the little powder keg within; we have no idea why Bricks was in prison. He could be really messed up and have anger issues. We've heard tell of how he has dismembered zombies, snapped necks, and seen him lose his calm. There are so many possibilities right now!
Apparently quite easily.....with a hammer....Quote:
Originally Posted by forgottenone
Ahh OK. I was just curious. The way I see it is that its pretty obvious the character of Burt has some issues with letting go of his wife. The desert eagle is clearly a huge part of his character. So for me personally, that scene was perfect. Perfectly horrific but still perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
He could also just be a a survivor that they boss around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Or it could be like "Green Mile" :) Without the miracles of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
That cold, Nik!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
A moment of silence for Shirley.... (pour out a can WD40)
It seems like those who are survivors around them get used for labor or dangerous tasks. Prisoners are held in a higher regard in their social structure. If they had someone as strong as he is and they had no attachment to him as a fellow prisoner he'd be the best slave labor kidnapping could buy!Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
Worser case scenarios:
- Glenn lied and the sat phone is not in the Mallony.
- Glenn didn't lie and CJ gets the phone while Saul rescues Lizzy. During the rescue, CJ leaves.
- Ft Irwin troops return and only find Glenn and Pete. They rescue them but interupt Glenn after they ask if there are any other survivors.
- CJ discovers the lie and does... I don't know, something screwed-up.
Yea, he has a alot of power, in physical and social. He basically can talk directly to the heads, has the keys and can't be challenge by the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I vote for CJ killing Lizzy in that scenario. If we're gonna make her go cray cray.....let's get serious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I dont like your idea. I vote you get no vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I vote CJ get revenge on gatekeeper and blow up a couple of Mallers.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
My point wasn't to say that all Soldiers shoot better than all Marines. I think Ray has a bit of a chip on his shoulder with his comments that Marines as a whole shoot better and that "every Marine is an infantryman".Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
I'll agree that the Marines, as a whole, have a better focus on the fundimentals of marksmanship that the Army, again as a whole (at Infantry AIT there is alot more focus on marksmanship because... hey, that's our job). The problem is that non-combat arms Marines live under the fiction that they are firstly in the 'infantry'. It is true that for esprit de corps they have the motto "Every Marine a rifleman" it doesn't mean that they are all infantry. The guy that's flying the V-22 isn't going to show up in Camo Fallujah and get word "Hey bud you'll be walking patrols while you're here."
The long and short of it is there are Soldiers who are shitty at shooting just like there are Marines that are shitty at shooting, and there are Soldiers that are great at if same as there are Marines that are great at it.
Ray, take the chip off your shoulder
Sorry this is a little late in the game but...Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
That's the beauty of the Navy though, you don't have to learn to shoot. You float around on ships miles out to see and use GPS to hit your targets with big guns, guided missles, and bombs dropped from planes, oh, and lets not forget cruise missles from who knows where under the sea. As an Air Force vet I think the USAF might be right there next to the USN in terms of shooting ability. LOL. We only had to qualify "if" we were deploying and then you only had to get like 35 out of 50 "in the black" which is 70%, not very good there.
As for the USA and USMC, I would bet if you put them all in a room and they had to debate the "who shoots better then who" BS in the end they would just be happy to know that when the shit hits the fan they can all count on each other to watch each others back.
Yarri what I want to know is who approved the blue cammo for the Navy?? I think that it is a toss up between the Navy and Army as to who has the worst uniform, the ACU's don't blend in with anything and the Navy blue cammo blends in to well with the water... which sucks if you go into the drink!Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
If she finds out that her boyfriend was killed by the people she didn't think killed them.....I think that puts Lizzy firmly in the crosshairs of Cray Cray CJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Remember, she thinks the Mallers killed Sean. Not Gatekeeper. She's not going to like that she was lied to in order to come on this foolish mission.
Hmm.. I thought I heard that Sean was at the Colony but not the part about the Maller doing it. Since it came from Vick I thought he mention that it was the group before the Maller. The reason I mention the Maller is that she can still be the prison guard or cop we thought she was.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I couldn't agree more, I was kinda likeing Ray until he went off on how the Marines are that much better than the Army (mostly based off of a fictional character.) You usually hear that in the old timers in the Marines and not so much since 9/11 and we all got on one team (I'll grant you there are still the jokes and rivalries but they have dropped dramaticaly since Afghanistan and Iraq.) Even before that there was a great deal of respect from Army Infantry for Marine Infantry and vice versa, we both realize that we both have different jobs with different strengths and weaknesses. The problem was (and I guess still is) with the non-combat arms guys...Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
Nah, CJ doesn't know that it was Gatekeeper who plotted to kill Sean. As far as CJ knows, the Mallers were the one's who offed her ex-boyfriend. So to get revenge on Gatekeeper someone would have to spill the beans (Victor), and we Hispanic folk never spill our beans. That shit doesn't go to waste! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
I think that was what Nik was saying too. That if CJ found out that she was lied to about the Mallers being responsible for Seans death, she might flip out and do some cray-cray shit, like ventilate Lizzy's skull, OR, oh shit and this might actually happen, reveal Saul to the Mallers so that she herself can escape from the Mallony! Damn, I can totally see CJ using Saul and Lizzy as a diversion so that she can snatch up the SAT phone and leave the star-crossed lovers in the Mallony!
