Chapter 29- Beyond Our Walls Part 3

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Yep, and I like your signature.

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Haha, why thank you *Stage whisper: I don't think he has noticed hehehe."

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Completely justified? How is wanting to kill someone that was acting in self defence justified...?

Also, Riley loved Angel.

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Daredevil trust me, there is no getting through his head on Scratch-killed-angel-SO-NOT-OUT-OF-MERCY.

You see Osiris is like Scratch's abused spouse, she beats, kills and Osiris says: "Oh it's okay it was self defense, it was my fault I ran into the door, Angel deserved it for not telling where they are. But Pegs isn't there anymore because she's a dirty hippie and left and *WHACK*"

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Yeah, I want her alive. It would suck if Kc ended it like that, leaving Saul hanging. Although, Riley and Angel....

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I agree, Lizzie is one of my faves.

The whole thing with Riley and Angel breaks me up inside...I mean, Riley and everyone else assumes that he died when the Tower came down, right? Michael tells them so, and that he believes that Burt, Saul and Victor are all dead too, but WE know they are not, and WE KNOW that Scratch offs Angel...

With this in mind, can you imagine how horrible Michael is going to feel if and when they ever find out that the few they left behind may have made it after all?

How awful is it going to be if they ever find out that not only did Angel survive the fall of the Tower, only to end up in the hands of the one person they all hate, and then was shot and killed by that person?

Riley mind go break.

That's the big thing here...Riley thinks he's dead, but none of them know that Scratch is the one that did the deed yet.

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Originally Posted by awkwardalex

And people who say the podcast is bad and want a job on the podcast...probably the frat boys from Breathers: A Zombie's Lament...

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OMG you are so right!

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Originally Posted by zombeh-kitteh

I agree, Lizzie is one of my faves.

The whole thing with Riley and Angel breaks me up inside...I mean, Riley and everyone else assumes that he died when the Tower came down, right? Michael tells them so, and that he believes that Burt, Saul and Victor are all dead too, but WE know they are not, and WE KNOW that Scratch offs Angel...

With this in mind, can you imagine how horrible Michael is going to feel if and when they ever find out that the few they left behind may have made it after all?

How awful is it going to be if they ever find out that not only did Angel survive the fall of the Tower, only to end up in the hands of the one person they all hate, and then was shot and killed by that person?

Riley mind go break.

That's the big thing here...Riley thinks he's dead, but none of them know that Scratch is the one that did the deed yet.

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I think that Kc might script Saul and that to some how make contact with Michael then he goes and saves them defying orders because the colonel or whatever rank he was would not risk his peoples lives for a very small group of people. So Michael goes and saves them and then.... I dunno. Maybe he'll go back and the Colonel will be fine with his breaking orders because no one was killed or something..... nah, that's a stretch. Maybe Michael will find out intel that keeps him from being court-martialed. Or something..... I WANT THE ARMY TO GO KICK IN SCRATCHES DOOR... MATTER FACT... HER FACE. I can think of some very very mentally disturbed things that they could do to scratch.... Even I wouldn't want that on my worst enemy.... I want her dead though. Forget all that "Scratch will be undone by her own misdoings" I want Riley to shoot a arrow through her eye.... or a Big one to just destroy her.... rip her to shreds. I'm grateful she killed Angel though, that was nice. She was.. very kind in her manner..... I'm very sad... I'm gonna miss him.

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Nah.... Riley would own Scratch.... and that's before she found out about Scratch killing Angel......... Scratch would have no chance.

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I'll keep my powder dry on the question of Scratch vs. Riley. But Claire Dodin Is a total badass and I would not want to get on her bad side! Check out her appearance on "Deadliest Warrior", where she demonstrates how to use the crossbow and the long sword.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

I'll keep my powder dry on the question of Scratch vs. Riley. But Claire Dodin Is a total badass and I would not want to get on her bad side! Check out her appearance on "Deadliest Warrior", where she demonstrates how to use the crossbow and the long sword.

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which is why I said Riley would use her trusty knife skills on Scratch.. Claire is totally kick ass!

Okay. I'm trying to predict how the next chapters will play out. I actually don't have much I am basing this on other than what we've heard, what I am assuming, and how I imagine it would play out. It's not very likely, but perhaps it'll get some gears turning and give some of you delightful people some ideas, or at least that is what I'm hoping.

Righty-O! So I get the impression that we might return back to Saul, Victor, and CJ. Hopefully they will continue on with a plan to rescue Lizzy, while at the same time discussing the colony, Pinstripes, and Ground Zero? In the process of investigating, they run in to Michael and a small unit from Ft. Irwin. There is much merriment and joy had that night as they share the passed events of their lives since being seperated. Michael tries to get some sympathy points about being dumped, but Saul keeps it light hearted. Fortunately, some random act leads them to discovering the Mallers whereabouts. They are currently at the Colony! Michael and the gang scheme a way to create anarchy and rescue Burt and Lizzie.

Either that or he calls in an airstrike and carpet bombs the entire colony. Everyone freaks out and Michael, with fire burning in his eyes, pops a shot off in their heads, killing everyone. He then becomes the king of L.A. after a hand to hand fight with Pinstripes. (as you can tell these last few sentences were complete BS)

But I do think something along the lines of the above mentioned might occur. Perhaps Michael himself won't be with the unit from Ft. Irwin as he is now in a command position, but hopefully somehow Saul and Victor will be able to relay to the soldiers that they are friends of Sgt. Michael Cross.

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Completely justified? How is wanting to kill someone that was acting in self defence justified...?

Also, Riley loved Angel.

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dude, you are better off just letting this go. despite the fact that we now know the war was instigated by the mallers, specifically scratch herself, and not the tower, he still won't admit that pegs was justified and scratch is in the wrong. we've gone round and round on this down to the minutia of the milli-seconds leading to the first syllable uttered during the first contact. he won't listen to reason ;) (nothing but love osiris) nah, but he sticks to his guns, no matter what. there will be no convincing him, because he always has some counter argument.

Let's move off the cause of the War/Scratch etc etc. We already had a thread dedicated to it and it's full of all sorts of arguments and backbiting there so much so it got locked. Lets leave this thread to 29-3 as much as we can.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Lets leave this thread to 29-3 as much as we can.

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It's my all-time favorite episode *wink* :o

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Lets leave this thread to 29-3 as much as we can.

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*clears throat* As I was saying,

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

Okay. I'm trying to predict how the next chapters will play out. I actually don't have much I am basing this on other than what we've heard, what I am assuming, and how I imagine it would play out. It's not very likely, but perhaps it'll get some gears turning and give some of you delightful people some ideas, or at least that is what I'm hoping.

Righty-O! So I get the impression that we might return back to Saul, Victor, and CJ. Hopefully they will continue on with a plan to rescue Lizzy, while at the same time discussing the colony, Pinstripes, and Ground Zero? In the process of investigating, they run in to Michael and a small unit from Ft. Irwin. There is much merriment and joy had that night as they share the passed events of their lives since being seperated. Michael tries to get some sympathy points about being dumped, but Saul keeps it light hearted. Fortunately, some random act leads them to discovering the Mallers whereabouts. They are currently at the Colony! Michael and the gang scheme a way to create anarchy and rescue Burt and Lizzie.

Either that or he calls in an airstrike and carpet bombs the entire colony. Everyone freaks out and Michael, with fire burning in his eyes, pops a shot off in their heads, killing everyone. He then becomes the king of L.A. after a hand to hand fight with Pinstripes. (as you can tell these last few sentences were complete BS)

But I do think something along the lines of the above mentioned might occur. Perhaps Michael himself won't be with the unit from Ft. Irwin as he is now in a command position, but hopefully somehow Saul and Victor will be able to relay to the soldiers that they are friends of Sgt. Michael Cross.

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:P

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Originally Posted by MenashaCorpse

It's my all-time favorite episode *wink* :o

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hmmm......can't imagine why........... ;)

and hero.........smart ass! :p

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Also, Riley loved Angel.

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Yes, but was it Angel she Loved?

Ch. 25, 2/3 @ 12:26:
"She lost her best friend and the person she loved most in the same month."
"Yeah, but which is which?"

And from waaaay back in the day in Ch. 2, 2/3 @ 8:30
"She has finally shed off some ugly outside world and let her gorgeous blue eyes shine across the table. I think even Riley was taken back by them."

Ch. 7, 1/3 @ 7:28
"Besides, between you and me, I like them tall and blond."
"Like Angel?"
"*scoff* Right, someone like him."

Not to mention, I sensed tension between Riley and Lizzy when Lizzy was bragging and getting a bit girly about Saul's immanent return from Maller recon. (Ch. 6, 3/3 @ 7:46) and again @ 9:02 when Lizzy compliments Riley.

Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

Okay. I'm trying to predict how the next chapters will play out...

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Good luck with that. IMO, Kc's writing and twists are on par with Joss Whedon.

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

Good luck with that. IMO, Kc's writing and twists are on par with Joss Whedon.

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Wow. Thanks a True compliment! He's one of my idols.

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Originally Posted by Kc

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So who's the dude in the photo with KC?

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

So who's the dude in the photo with KC?

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God

THE Joss Whedon, creator of Firefly and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. As well as a bunch of other shit and I think he directed some movie called Avenger or Avenginator?

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Originally Posted by Kc

Wow. Thanks a True compliment! He's one of my idols.

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Your welcome, I mean you pulled the literary version of a classic misdirection "nothin' up sleeve, is this your card?" trick after the Colony escape.

I was like, goodie, goodie, :omgomg: Datu will get to meet Hope, owait, wut? His mom? I was as dumfounded as Burt and Angel. O_o

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Originally Posted by Osiris

THE Joss Whedon, creator of Firefly and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. As well as a bunch of other shit and I think he directed some movie called Avenger or Avenginator?

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You forgot Angel. He was also writing Buffy, Angel and Firefly simultaneously to boot. If the man has a fault though, it is not staying away from Fox TV. When Dollhouse got put on there, I was like, "Damnit Joss, didn't you learn from your THREE other shows?"

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

You forgot Angel. He was also writing Buffy, Angel and Firefly simultaneously to boot. If the man has a fault though, it is not staying away from Fox TV. When Dollhouse got put on there, I was like, "Damnit Joss, didn't you learn from your THREE other shows?"

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I didn't forget anything except Serenity--which all true fans know is merely the season finale of Firefly. I mentioned the good shows.

As it was posted earlier, it would be almost impossible for the mallers to reach fort Irwin if Burt tells them where Michael and company were headed. Even if by some miracle they were able to reach fort Irwin, I don't think they would be able to take it over because lets face it they couldn't take over the tower when all that was defending it was a bunch of civilians, 3 active soldiers and 1 retired marine what makes you think they will have any better luck against a fort being defended by hundreds of soldiers

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

You forgot Angel. He was also writing Buffy, Angel and Firefly simultaneously to boot. If the man has a fault though, it is not staying away from Fox TV. When Dollhouse got put on there, I was like, "Damnit Joss, didn't you learn from your THREE other shows?"

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They like him because he generates cash in the longrun--with DVD sales and the like--but they don't understand the market and aren't a patient people. Maybe that's just bitterness on my part--maybe he has backers that can get it green lit, but don't have the juice keep it going. It seems like the people who end up liking Whedon are people who have given up on most, if not all, TV. They have to hear about it by word of mouth. Wish he got a better home somewhere else. Maybe now after the Avengers has blown up gigantic Hulk sized he will.

His only flaw is that as long as he's interested in the show, it's excellent. If he moves on and leaves it in the care of others it suffers. I think he was interested in Firefly the entire time. Gads it was excellent!

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

They like him because he generates cash in the longrun--with DVD sales and the like--but they don't understand the market and aren't a patient people. Maybe that's just bitterness on my part--maybe he has backers that can get it green lit, but don't have the juice keep it going. It seems like the people who end up liking Whedon are people who have given up on most, if not all, TV. They have to hear about it by word of mouth. Wish he got a better home somewhere else. Maybe now after the Avengers has blown up gigantic Hulk sized he will.

His only flaw is that as long as he's interested in the show, it's excellent. If he moves on and leaves it in the care of others it suffers. I think he was interested in Firefly the entire time. Gads it was excellent!

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With the massive success of Avengers, he's got a green light for anything he wants to do next. He could go to any studio or network and say 'Firefly, season 2' and the executives would kneel down and unzip his pants.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

With the massive success of Avengers, he's got a green light for anything he wants to do next. He could go to any studio or network and say 'Firefly, season 2' and the executives would kneel down and unzip his pants.

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with as many years as it's been since serenity, i don't think it would be possible to get just those remaining characters back. and what would they do? now that the tams aren't really on the run from the fed anymore, where would the overarching storyline come from? as much as i love firefly, i think the deaths of book and wash were clear signs that the series is done. without them, the whole chemistry of the show would be off. unless he went back and did like, lost chronicles or something, added more time leading up to serenity.

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Originally Posted by reaper239

with as many years as it's been since serenity, i don't think it would be possible to get just those remaining characters back. and what would they do? now that the tams aren't really on the run from the fed anymore, where would the overarching storyline come from? as much as i love firefly, i think the deaths of book and wash were clear signs that the series is done. without them, the whole chemistry of the show would be off. unless he went back and did like, lost chronicles or something, added more time leading up to serenity.

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Not necessarily. Whedon has said from the beginning that none of his characters are ever safe, no matter how much they are loved. He's killed off main characters before and carried on. I'd just love to see what Mal & Co. are up to these days.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

With the massive success of Avengers, he's got a green light for anything he wants to do next.

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Clearly Joss needs to do "We're Alive" the movie. Or whatever new project KC has waiting in the wings. Can you imagine those two, working together?

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

Clearly Joss needs to do "We're Alive" the movie. Or whatever new project KC has waiting in the wings. Can you imagine those two, working together?

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*shudders* Maybe that pic was taken at that meeting.

Joss is the only one I would trust with WA the anything. He personally knows what it is like to get dicked over on 'creative control.'

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Not necessarily. Whedon has said from the beginning that none of his characters are ever safe, no matter how much they are loved. He's killed off main characters before and carried on. I'd just love to see what Mal & Co. are up to these days.

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I love JW, but I still have trouble forgiving him for killing Wash. ALAN TWO DICKS!!!! COME BACK!!!!

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Not necessarily. Whedon has said from the beginning that none of his characters are ever safe, no matter how much they are loved. He's killed off main characters before and carried on. I'd just love to see what Mal & Co. are up to these days.

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How could I forget this, it just went up on Blastr ~ a week ago:

Tara, Wesley and 13 other Joss Whedon deaths that broke our hearts [Some Spoilers, BTW]

Which one made you cry?



(I know, I'm sorry. I'm not helping with the derailing of this thread. I blame Kc. Post a pic of Joss in a place like this and what did you expect to happen? Then again, I brought him up first...)

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

I don't know why everyone is all happy that Angel didn't tell the Mallers that the tower folks went to Ft Irwin. If Angel gave them that info the Mallers would have to travel just shy of 200 miles of Zombie infested, car clogged roads. If the Mallers were that stupid to try They'd loose plenty of people to the desert and dehydration. Then upon arriving at Ft. Irwin the rag tag army of exprisoners armed with whatever they were able to scrounge would have to take on a larger force of well trained highly efficient soldiers from the US Army.

To be sure Angel did right by his freinds by not letting the Mallers know where the Tower guys went since Angel wasn't privy to what awaited them when they got to Irwin. But the reality is that Angel didn't save the remnants of the Tower, he unintentionally saved the lives of the Mallers.

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Well (I think) that we were proud because Angel did not know that it was zombie infested car clogged. That was discovered after the tower fell. So to Angel they had a chanc eof getting there if he told them. If he new what lay between LA and Barstow he may have let them go.

Well no matter which side of the bread she butters, she loves(ed) Angel. They had an epic bromance, he may not be the cheese to her Macaroni.

But they are:
-the Protaganist to his Johnny Gat.
-the ron to his harry
-the nathan drake to his sully.

I put it that way because these are characters we know that would fight and get even for the loss of the other.

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

How could I forget this, it just went up on Blastr ~ a week ago:

Tara, Wesley and 13 other Joss Whedon deaths that broke our hearts [Some Spoilers, BTW]

Which one made you cry?



(I know, I'm sorry. I'm not helping with the derailing of this thread. I blame Kc. Post a pic of Joss in a place like this and what did you expect to happen? Then again, I brought him up first...)

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Joyce in 'The Body' [which was the episode after 'I Was Made To Love You' and arguably the best episode of season 5] and Buffy in 'The Gift'.

Sigh...dammit i tried to redirect the thread but...Osiris went and blew it all to hell.




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Yeah, I do that.

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Originally Posted by awkwardalex

Well (I think) that we were proud because Angel did not know that it was zombie infested car clogged. That was discovered after the tower fell. So to Angel they had a chanc eof getting there if he told them. If he new what lay between LA and Barstow he may have let them go.

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It isn't so much Pride of Angel for not ratting out the Tower guys... My beef is with the people that think that by not telling the Mallers where the they were heading he somehow saved their lives. Don't get me wrong, I like that Angel didn't tell Scratch and his loyalty should be comended but he in no way saved the lives of the Tower survivors. Even if the Mallers got to Ft. Irwin unscathed They would have gotten their asses handed to them on the road to the main base (I bet they wouldn't have made it to the cool painted rocks at Ft. Irwin).

I don't like how Angel died. I don't like that he EVEN died. I HAVE NEVER BEEN LIKE THIS BEFORE! When characters die - - even characters I like - - in everything else, I don't care as much. Don't get me wrong, I hate when my favorite character dies. But Angel isn't even my favorite character and I weep'd man tears over his death.

I wish he didn't have to die like that. Granted, he still died well protecting his friends to the end. My favorite angel moment was with Kalani in fighting the behemoth.

KC... man... you sure know how to do amazing direction. Despite limitations of the radio style (and yet... it has unlimited potential), you make me care about these characters, this story. It's moments like these, man, where I simultaneously love you and hate you. It's a complicated feeling. O_o I hope you stay in this industry and one day make it big to be writing/directing/producing stories in theater, film, TV, and more audio podcasts. It's a rare ability to make me care about fictional characters.

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

*shudders* Maybe that pic was taken at that meeting.

Joss is the only one I would trust with WA the anything. He personally knows what it is like to get dicked over on 'creative control.'

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Uh.. *Cough* Kc *Cough*

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Originally Posted by riskbreaker23

I don't like how Angel died. I don't like that he EVEN died. I HAVE NEVER BEEN LIKE THIS BEFORE! When characters die - - even characters I like - - in everything else, I don't care as much. Don't get me wrong, I hate when my favorite character dies. But Angel isn't even my favorite character and I weep'd man tears over his death.

I wish he didn't have to die like that. Granted, he still died well protecting his friends to the end. My favorite angel moment was with Kalani in fighting the behemoth.

KC... man... you sure know how to do amazing direction. Despite limitations of the radio style (and yet... it has unlimited potential), you make me care about these characters, this story. It's moments like these, man, where I simultaneously love you and hate you. It's a complicated feeling. O_o I hope you stay in this industry and one day make it big to be writing/directing/producing stories in theater, film, TV, and more audio podcasts. It's a rare ability to make me care about fictional characters.

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YES! Behemoth brawl love! :love: It has one of my favourite Angel lines. :( Everybody always guesses wrong though.

there has to be more to Angels death than this ! why did Kc keep him alive after last seasons finale so he coudl have a five minute chat with Scrath - doesnt make sense:mad: