Yes! So I'm expecting the pieces to start falling into place thick and fast soon. fingers crossed anyway... All this speculation is so much fun, but my goodness its driving me crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
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Yes! So I'm expecting the pieces to start falling into place thick and fast soon. fingers crossed anyway... All this speculation is so much fun, but my goodness its driving me crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
Oh, and a little food for thought.
Dr William Issac Roberts.
Doctor Who Is Right....
:hsugh:
One of the labels read by Puck sounds like Aranesp. http://www.drugs.com/aranesp.html
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on the We're Alive Forums. Soooooo, from a non-medical perspective, I'm gonna suspect that the things uncovered so far are used for muscle growth and treating cancers and tumors. In essence, using the black box way of analyzing this, these things are used to do such and such; I just don't know how.
I'm not a doctor, but I am a medical scientist specialising in medicines information. The four compounds taken from Raydon read to me like a recipe for an athlete to dope with:
Somatotropin - human gorwth hormone. Used medically to promote growth in people with deficiencies, or other metabolic disorders; also used by body builders to build muscle and get hyooge.
Aranesp (darbepoeitin alfa) - used to increase the number of circulating red blood cells. Medically it's used to treat anaemia, in sport it's very like what Lance Armstrong used to dope for the Tour de France.
Stanozolol - an anabolic steroid, used to increase muscle mass. Beloved of body builders.
Follistatin isn't used widely as a drug, although there's gene therapy in development. Again, it would promote muscle growth and strength.
All of those things have already been covered I think, but it's worth saying that taken as a whole, this is basically a bodybuilding stack. Someone taking all of these would likely be big, mean, tough, and have pretty great endurance. Sound familiar?
I'm not a doctor, but ... I got nothing.
Good stuff skankyfish!Quote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
I don't have the medical background for it but I was suspecting Raydon (of at least Dr William I Roberts) of being in the Performance Enhancement Drug (PED) business - that's why I voted for Barry Bonds to be the new spokesperson for Raydon Labs over in the Radio Commercial Contest thread....
After seeing you post this (and running across a similar post from cupcakezombie in another thread) I went back and listened to that part again (Ch 2-3, ~20:55). Having the William I Roberts name now could make that snippet more meaningful.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I originally thought it said "the families" and assumed it meant the families of Ink's victims were upset that he was going to a hospital and not Death Row or the Big House (does Cali have a death penalty?) But the phrasing of "the family itself" could be talking about the Roberts family being upset about more than darling Billy being convicted (albeit on an insanity plea). Perhaps something else happend to a Roberts' family member.... Perhaps it was William I Roberts involvement in something....
My DVR has a button that let's me jump ahead 30 seconds at a time. I'm assuming the Tivo/DVR Lizzy found has the same thing and that is what she is using. A lot can be said in 30 seconds....
Then this post by whenallisdark registered
I assumed it was a repetition of the previous line from earlier (at least 60 seconds because of 2 jumps by Lizzy?) about the transport because sometimes news reporters give a wrap up line at the end to summarize key details. But what if there were 2 members of the Roberts family involved in something and both were being transported.... :tinfoil:Quote:
Originally Posted by whenallisdark
Hmmmm, I guess I shoulda posted this over in crackpot theories instead....
Interesting... As soon as I heard all the names my brain went "PEDs!", but it never occurred to me to wonder why Raydon had that combination of stuff just lying around. It'd be interesting to know what else they kept in stock. Were they kept as PEDs? Were they working on muscle wasting diseases? Were they trying to make super-buff superhumans? Or were they just a wholesaler that had all sorts of stuff? As an aside, bodybuilders use Preparation H too - they rub it all over themselves an hour or so before competition to try and look as ripped as possible. :meh:Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
I'll just leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Are...y_Co-operativeQuote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
Could the first drug Puck takes a Picture of in the office be this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megestrol_acetate
Very good call. And of course the un-nerving part of that is "When given in relatively high doses, it can substantially increase appetite in most individuals, even those with advanced cancer, and is often used to boost appetite and induce weight gain in patients with cancer or HIV/AIDS-associated cachexia."Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
Also not sure if it has been mentioned yet. But when Puck first starts calling out drugs he says something along the lines of "Meg... Meges..."???Quote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
That led me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megestrol which would further support the massive steroid theory.
Edit *** Storm beats me as I am typing it up! Good call!!! ***
Interesting that one of the things mentioned is that is "capable of decreasing circulating androgen and estrogen concentrations to castrate levels in both sexes and significantly lowering the expression of the androgen receptor (AR) and the estrogen receptor (ER) in the body".Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
Makes me think back to Tanya's autopsy on the Little One at Fort Irwin where she mentioned that development of sexual characteristics were not there (or diminished). That could be because the original Little One donors/hosts/people/??? where children. But this agent could have repressed sexual/reproductive development as the Little Ones "grew up"...
Good find!
Argh, I replied but quoted Storm's post, and the link in it got me mdoerated. i'm too impatient to wait to point out that the really interesting part of that to me is
"When given in relatively high doses, it can substantially increase appetite in most individuals, even those with advanced cancer, and is often used to boost appetite and induce weight gain in patients with cancer or HIV/AIDS-associated cachexia."
The ability to decrease circulating androgens is actually counter-intuitive, as it will antagonise the stanozolol. Maybe different cocktails for different special zombies? Megestrol acetate for the Little Ones and stanozolol for the Behemoths?
Definitely interesting, though I paid more attention to this part:Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
"Megestrol acetate is used mainly as an appetite stimulant in a variety of conditions and as an antineoplastic agent in the treatment of breast, endometrial, and prostate cancers.[7] When given in relatively high doses, it can substantially increase appetite in most individuals, even those with advanced cancer, and is often used to boost appetite and induce weight gain in patients with cancer or HIV/AIDS-associated cachexia."
...Explains their hunger, I guess... Didn't Skittles say that some of the Zets only wanted to eat?
So, what happens when they don't get their fix?
Yes, but he was talking about the normal ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
But here's another question. If the Inklings need this stuff to be strong then how are they able to turn others into Inklings? Are they able to synthesize this stuff on their own? Are they able to transmit the ability to synthesize these drugs to others? What about the extra arteries?
Not sure if anyone else theorized this but I am going to say Dr. William Issac Wallace is Skittles. Just a wild guess. He was the first one I thought of when they said his name.
And, of course, a more common alternative use of Preparation H is to promote healing of tattoos. Now who do we know who has a load of tattoos, and who might be tattooing others.....Quote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
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Originally Posted by scbubba
First off, Oh, goodness how I missed you guys and this forum! It's like putting on an old baggy, comfortable sweater... Nevermind, I'm not sure I want all the "crackpotness" that near my skin and heart. Still missed you, though!
Second, yes, California does indeed have a death row, but we don't use it much. It was suspended in 1972 and reinstated in 1977 and there have been 13 executions as of then.
Third, I think it's time, and scbubba, congrats. You were the cause for me to... :tinfoil:
After all this time, yes that is what made me finally put on the hat...
Fourth, I guess the third point kinda nullifies part of the first point since the "crackpotness" rubbed off anyway. So... *group hug* Really missed you guys!
I am going back and re-listening to the series from the beginning and just listened to the part with the DVR talking about Ink's trial. They mention the homicides happened outside of Santa Monica, but if I am not mistaken Raydon is more in south east LA. So I am thinking either
- The homicides have nothing to do with Raydon or testing (My personal vote)
- Or if the two are related, some of the info we received from the recon and photos at Raydon will lead us to another location near Santa Monica that will result in a human testing facility discovery
did they say the homicides happned outside Santa Monica....or ink was apprehended outside santa Monica?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
I heard the latter, which makes more sense, logistically
The exact words from the news report are "Ink was convicted of multiple homicides outside of Santa Monica last May. He is currently being transferred to a mental health facility..."
It makes no mention of his arrest but specifically mentions the homicides
Fair enough, carry on...
I'll say this though, just because the murders took place around Santa monica, that does not mean he couldn't have commuted to raydon for the day-job. But I'm sure everyone realizes that. Puzzles within puzzles...
True true. I still am starting to lean towards the idea that Raydon has nothing to do with the actual outbreak, but is just something they are using to build up their army of little ones and behemoths and such. I think something at Ground Zero has to do with the outbreak and will also have something to do with eliminating/curing the virus or whatever it is.
But I usually get proven wrong when sticking to a theory so I'll just plan on KC making me look like a fool :-)
Agreed, I think most of us consider raydon as the "questionable physical therapist" of the story... I'm hashing out a grand scheme as far as outbreak/ground zero is concerned, but it Seems everyone is going in similar directions
Question is if Kc is going in that direction too. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Said it before, saying it again....i hope not.
I want to be wrong. The wrong-er (???) I am, the more we can discuss and rethink things. That's the fun part
I had some random thoughts about the plot in general. I'm too lazy to find a better thread, so I'll dump my brain out here.
1. We keep saying "virus", since that's the typical disease vector in zombie stories. We already know this isn't a typical zombie story, so why not consider bacteria?
2. Following from #1, what if they're extremophile bacteria (or archea), perhaps released from the cracks at Ground Zero?
3. Speaking of the cracks, I wonder if what makes the air unbreathable is methane (natural source, not sewer pipes). Could Saul have a symbiotic organism in him that makes him able to breathe methane? (Yeah, that one's a stretch.)
4. KC has made a point of not calling Ink and TOWTM the same person in interviews. What if one of them is a copycat killer that also turned on Z-day?
5. What if Tanya and/or Saul just has cancer or cryptogenic cirrhosis, not the zombie disease, which could elevate K18 levels?
Just my thoughts on your points...as valid or invalid as anyone else's...Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDung
1) my initial thought is that as far as I know most bacteria(??) can be killed off much more easily than a virus. They are a different animal and can be killed off by an anti-bacterial..generally. I think a virus is much harder to kill and an anti-viral treatment needs to be much more specific to the virus. Edit: also, doesnt a virus need a host cell to replicate and spread, whereas a bacteria can just duplicate itself. Bio class was so long ago.
2) idfk
3) you can smell methane (right?) and it wouldn't cause the reaction that it did to Victor. Are you maybe thinking about H2S? A heavy, odourless toxic gas. That also would not cause the reaction we saw. He would get dizzy, pass-out, then die without smelling anything.
4) With the latest episodes I'm thinking they may be separate people. If you look at my idea about Bill Roberts in the Theories thread, I'm thinking there is some relationship between the William Isaac Roberts the chemist/biochemist and the tattooed murderer...but it could still be the same person...but then maybe not, lol, nothing is definitive but I think we have more to consider now about Mr Roberts with these last episodes. An inked up scientist at radon labs...maybe.
5) the facts behind that, I have no idea...story wise, I doubt it. I think it would suck if its like..."oh wait, we're not slow turners we just have cancer"...nah.
Actually, no, you can't smell methane if it is natural. Methane has a compound (methyl mercaptan) added to it before it is used commercially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
someone correct me If im wrong here, but wasn't that the primary reason miners would take small birds down into mines with them back in the day? if the little birdy dies its time to GTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by thisonegirl
I believe the person you are referring to might have been Chandra Levy and the Congressman was Gary Condit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
In any event, legal battles (even those don't involve celebrities) draw major news attention in Los Angeles press. Charles Manson & Richard Ramirez are just a couple names I can remember from my early days. Haven't forgotten those though. William I. (or Bill) Roberts and the 12 or so he was accused of murdering (or experimenting on) should pretty much make him a household name with our band of survivors.
I'm still missing the part that might tie Raydon Labs with the origin of the zombie apocalypse. Here we are now four seasons deep into zombies ruling the earth, and yet we are no closer to knowing what caused the outbreak than we did the day it happened. As a matter fact, we are all now having to thumb back to those pages. Curse you KC!
Is it allready too late to join the theory-frail? I mean ... 28 pages??????? Is there anything that hasn't been mentioned yet ... ;)
Keep going ... If I had some more time to spare, I would read through all of it and enjoy your contributions to the forum. +1 For everyone.
Yea, canary in a coal mine. They have a higher metabolism.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Raydon Labs
I think the reason Saul and Kelly have such a difficult time remembering, is I do not think that it has been written down "yet". That stuff happens before the journal policy was implemented. It was also narrated by Michael even though he was not there. He says something like reconstructed events, I think. I gotta go back and listen. He also says something similar in the events that happen to the recon team in Season 3.
They might not give the level of detail of a level 3 ID from Raydon Labs on first pass, and then when the super-journal is collated, Michael could insert hyper detail because he is trying to make sense f it all.
Ask yourself, five million dead in LA and no national news. You are asked to write down what happened when some zombies tried to eat you and you find a dude with a .50 cal, claymores and shoots and kills like 12 guys in five seconds and you write down Level 3 ID from Raydon labs because you are so sure that is important?
I have read this mentioned a few times now. Where did we get the notion that he killed 12 people? (or close to that number)Quote:
Originally Posted by dontkillburt
From what we are told on the DVR all we know is that he was convicted of 'multiple homicides' with no mention of how many multiple is. Could be 2, could be 200. But I think people have somehow mixed together the little ones with numbes with the people Ink was convicted of killing. That very well may turn out to be true, but there is no mention or proof of that right now, at least not that I can recall, maybe I'm just forgetting something.
This part I agree with, I am actually not convinced Raydon has anything to do with the origin of the outbreak either. I think they come into play because they provide chemicals that are helping to build the army of special/stronger zombies, but aren't really involved with the cause of it. That is the theory I am currently hanging my hat on anyway :squint:Quote:
Originally Posted by dontkillburt