Chapter 31 Family Ties Part 2

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Originally Posted by Penguine

Yeah I was liking Scratch last week.. lol.. she is back on the shiz list. :mad:

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Last week she tugged at our heart strings and made us care. This week we want to tear her apart with out bare hands. Not to reignite a debate that went horribly sour but anyone that doesnt see the beauty in what JM's voice acting brings to the podcast doesnt deserve to listen to this great work of podcasty™ excellence! (podcasty is a trademark of mem enterprises llc and cannot be reused without express written permission)

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

Maybe in the non-combat arms MOS's (well non-Infantry really). But not anymore than the Marines that are non-infanty. And I'd hardly call it common... As a matter of fact the top marine marksman this year at the National Matches placed 5th place... behind 2 Army dudes an Army reservist and a civilian (prior Army)

And if memory serves he's a poor shot with a M-249 (and is a fictional character).

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Uh, no. Every Marine, no matter what their MOS has to qualify with a rifle. Cook, airplane mechanic, machine gunner. Doesn't matter. The Army has lower standards, not opinion just fact. Marines have been known all throughout history as being infantrymen first, their MOS second. The Army has no such distinction. One year of rifle competition doesn't make a trend, and at that level half an inch can make the difference between winning and 10th place. Your example is pretty much invalid because it ignores almost 250 years of history. Saul is a poor shot all around, it's been stated multiple times that he isn't the best choice to have when something needs shot.

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Originally Posted by Free_Falling86

Neither. I'm a Graphic Designer and a part-time actress. Though I guess the insane part could be debatable. My parents and close friends seem to like to call me crazy often enough :D

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WRONG! You're clearly batshit cray.
































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Originally Posted by mem

Last week she tugged at our heart strings and made us care. This week we want to tear her apart with out bare hands. Not to reignite a debate that went horribly sour but anyone that doesnt see the beauty in what JM's voice acting brings to the podcast doesnt deserve to listen to this great work of podcasty™ excellence! (podcasty is a trademark of mem enterprises llc and cannot be reused without express written permission)

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Negative. You owe me royalties for using podcasty in a post.

Arguing who is the better shot, Marines or Army, seems pointless. Is it something that can really be proven?

Besides, I think the topic at hand was, Saul being a piss poor shot, which Yes, Yes he is. My homeboy is a bad shot, unless he's aiming with Cupid's Arrow, booyah!

Kidding, he misses with that too. When it comes to ammo, quantity is Saul's best bet. Burt is a great shot, but that seems like the type of thing he focused on. Hell, he and his wife were pros. It's like my girlfriend and I playing video games. We do it all the time so we whup ass when we host a game night. I think Saul could improve with practice, but for some folk, you either got it or you don't.

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Originally Posted by Ray

Uh, no. Every Marine, no matter what their MOS has to qualify with a rifle. Cook, airplane mechanic, machine gunner. Doesn't matter. The Army has lower standards, not opinion just fact. Marines have been known all throughout history as being infantrymen first, their MOS second. The Army has no such distinction. One year of rifle competition doesn't make a trend, and at that level half an inch can make the difference between winning and 10th place. Your example is pretty much invalid because it ignores almost 250 years of history. Saul is a poor shot all around, it's been stated multiple times that he isn't the best choice to have when something needs shot.

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If we are going to argue poor shots as the sole Navy vet on the forum I really think we can claim that title. The only reason I learned to shoot as well as I did was an extra zero on a supply order form and the mercy of one young marine.

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Originally Posted by yarri

If we are going to argue poor shots as the sole Navy vet on the forum I really think we can claim that title. The only reason I learned to shoot as well as I did was an extra zero on a supply order form and the mercy of one young marine.

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I heard you showed that young marine no mercy.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

I heard you showed that young marine no mercy.

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You are so weird. :)

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Originally Posted by yarri

You are so weird. :)

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Funny you should say that. I was thinking you're batshit crazy.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Funny you should say that. I was thinking you're batshit crazy.

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Are you a doctor ?

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Originally Posted by yarri

Are you a doctor ?

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Indeed. My opinion, based on being a doctor--which is what I am--is that you are, in fact, batshit crazy.

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Originally Posted by Free_Falling86

[/COLOR]One thing that is a bit of a pet peeve of mine is when people slap labels on characters willy nilly. Like calling Scratch psychotic and psychopathic. The truth of the matter is, we really don't know. I wouldn't categorize her as psychotic because she doesn't fit the bill. She doesn't have false beliefs that are not based in reality nor is she hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there. She knows exactly what she's doing. She's just trying to figure out how to get to that point. And, well, she maybe psychopathic, but there's just as a high percentage if not higher that she isn't. Psychologists actually are arguing about psychopathy and what it is and what personality elements should be included in its definition. If the experts are having a hard time figuring it out, how are we supposed to know. The truth of the matter is we don't. She may have certain behavioral characteristics that fit in within the current psychopathic definition, but we still can't say that she's a psychopath because all we're given is the witness and stories told of her bad actions. We were lucky to get a bit of back story from Scratch (thank you Kc!!!) that wasn't inherently shown in a negative light. But I'm afraid those moments will be few and far between. But it is understandable why she's accused of it because psychopathy tends to be used as a label for people we do not like, cannot understand, or construe as evil. And I understand why people hate her. Heck, the only villain I loathe is Iago from Othello, and I wanted to take a knife and run him through. But I just can't see Scratch in that manner.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

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I'd say closer to sociopath. My 2 cents. I hated Iago, too. Jafar should have killed him. Wait...

Scratch isn't psychotic or sociopathic/psychopathic. People throw those terms around when what they really want to say is they don't understand why someone would violate a social norm. It's a way of saying "We believe x, y and z; right guys?" and everyone can agree that that person isn't following the rules and so affirm what the rules are.

Scratch has survived under very different rules than you or I.

I don't know about terms or what actions and qualifications she has to meet to be called a sociopath or psychopath but all I know is that she is unstable. She kills for the slightest reason, and as Lizzy said, sometimes for no reason at all. She's crazy in my book.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I don't know about terms or what actions and qualifications she has to meet to be called a sociopath or psychopath but all I know is that she is unstable. She kills for the slightest reason, and as Lizzy said, sometimes for no reason at all. She's crazy in my book.

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I don't think you read the Evi's post very carefully.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Indeed. My opinion, based on being a doctor--which is what I am--is that you are, in fact, batshit crazy.

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You must have gotten your doctorate at the university of bullshit with a masters in takes one to know one.

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Originally Posted by yarri

You must have gotten your doctorate at the university of bullshit with a masters in takes one to know one.

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Nope. Corn Flakes boxes. Just like Badger Meyer.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Nope. Corn Flakes boxes. Just like Badger Meyer.

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I <3 you to bits

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Originally Posted by yarri

I <3 you to bits

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That's because I'm awesome. Everybody loves awesome.

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Originally Posted by VEE

Still doesn't matter, it's an inanimate object, and not the only thing he has to remind him of her, he has actual memories. I do understand the connection, and I do think he would react, but it was too much for me and when I listened I thought scratch overplayed it, the bit that followed was very good though, it was just that short section that I didnt feel sat right. Of course, others will disagree, which is fine.

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I see where your coming from, but, did u ever think that maybe he has a psychological problem, kinda like the movie castaway with Wilson the volleyball?
. Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)

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Originally Posted by Lukas A.

I see where your coming from, but, did u ever think that maybe he has a psychological problem, kinda like the movie castaway with Wilson the volleyball?
. Maybe he believes or somewhat believes that shirley(the desert eagle) is in fact shirley(his deceased wife)

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I thought that was pretty obvious myself. Burt be batshit.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

Scratch isn't psychotic or sociopathic/psychopathic. People throw those terms around when what they really want to say is they don't understand why someone would violate a social norm. It's a way of saying "We believe x, y and z; right guys?" and everyone can agree that that person isn't following the rules and so affirm what the rules are.

Scratch has survived under very different rules than you or I.

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A sociopath is someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder according to DSM IV. I believe Scratch qualifies for that based on her pre-zombie apocalypse history, not simply her current behavior/cruelty. Many criminals, particularly in organized crime, fit this description. Psychosis would disqualify her for Antisocial PD because by definition she would not be in touch with reality (or what the "rest of us" call reality) :)

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Originally Posted by Osiris

That's because I'm awesome. Everybody loves awesome.

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Osiris = Sara Lee? My mind be blown. :hsugh:

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Originally Posted by MenashaCorpse

A sociopath is someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder according to DSM IV. I believe Scratch qualifies for that based on her pre-zombie apocalypse history, not simply her current behavior/cruelty. Many criminals, particularly in organized crime, fit this description. Psychosis would disqualify her for Antisocial PD because by definition she would not be in touch with reality (or what the "rest of us" call reality) :)

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What history would that be? The one you've concocted in your head?

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Originally Posted by MenashaCorpse

Osiris = Sara Lee? My mind be blown. :hsugh:

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:hsugh:

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Originally Posted by MenashaCorpse

Osiris = Sara Lee? My mind be blown. :hsugh:

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He's like long beans and chicken feet "an acquired taste."

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Funny you should say that. I was thinking you're batshit crazy.

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Is it just me, but every time i read a post from Osiris, he comes across (tone) as if he's Burt. (Hope your finger is ok :) ).

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Originally Posted by forgottenone

Is it just me, but every time i read a post from Osiris, he comes across (tone) as if he's Burt. (Hope your finger is ok :) ).

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Uh oh, didn't mean to offend you..

Personally, I don't believe that we are witnessing any bias from the journals as written from the perspective of "the good guys." I think what we hear in terms of flashbacks and live action (whenever a character isn't narrative events as they specifically read them from a journal) is going deeper than what is written in the journal. In other words, the journal is a device that allows other characters to be witness to things they weren't there to experience first hand, but the moment the story cuts to those moments, we are hearing them as though WE are there first hand; a silent witness of sorts.

So although the writers of journals could put their bias into the journals, I do believe that we the audience are seeing things as they actually happened. So our opinions as to whether Scratch is evil, misunderstood, crazy, sane but cruel, or whatever are totally up to us. I doubt we are being affected by the feelings of the journal writers.

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Originally Posted by forgottenone

Uh oh, didn't mean to offend you..

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

Personally, I don't believe that we are witnessing any bias from the journals as written from the perspective of "the good guys." I think what we hear in terms of flashbacks and live action (whenever a character isn't narrative events as they specifically read them from a journal) is going deeper than what is written in the journal. In other words, the journal is a device that allows other characters to be witness to things they weren't there to experience first hand, but the moment the story cuts to those moments, we are hearing them as though WE are there first hand; a silent witness of sorts.

So although the writers of journals could put their bias into the journals, I do believe that we the audience are seeing things as they actually happened. So our opinions as to whether Scratch is evil, misunderstood, crazy, sane but cruel, or whatever are totally up to us. I doubt we are being affected by the feelings of the journal writers.

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If you think about it, we're seeing the exact same thing here on the boards. Everyone puts their own spin on the story, even though we all have the same pieces of audio, the same words, the same sounds... we have take something different away from it. Why would the journals be an exception? Our own perspectives of the story are skewed and biased right out of the gate.

This is ground that keeps getting covered. I think we've managed to derail this shit pretty good.

So is Scratch's "family" mafia or gypsies?

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WRONG! You're clearly batshit cray.

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Clearly. You saw through my mask of sanity and saw who I really am. Curses. But you revealing me will not stop what I do everyday, and that's try to take over the world *cue maniacal laughter*

Wow, while I was away, there have been a lot of great points and counterpoints. I have said all I want to about Scratch, but I can see merit with what everyone says. All I know is that I like Scratch (okay, more I have a bit of a girl crush on Jenna and her voice which bleeds into her character. Doesn't hurt that she's an antagonist, and I almost always like them. Except Tardust. He can go away.), and I don't want her to die anytime soon. There's so much more I want to hear from her, and once she's gone, that'll make me one sad panda. But I know quite a lot of people don't feel the same way, so we'll see where Kc takes us (I'm up for the ride!)

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So is Scratch's "family" mafia or gypsies?

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Hmmm, that's an interesting question. I never thought about the Family being gypsies. They could be, but my gut is telling me that the more likely scenario is mafia. I've researched that Gypsy law directs Gypsies to lead their lives properly by attaining a state of purity and preventing contamination.....I think the mafia fits more accurately based off of what we've been given this far. But I could be way off base, and that would be interesting if the Family were gypsies instead.

"Noooooooo!! Burt!!!!!! Noooooooo!!!! Shirley?!?! Noooooooooo YOU MONSTER!!!"
-me while listening

Great episode! I want to murder Scratch! And Pete just 'cause:-P

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Originally Posted by smalls kenobi

"Noooooooo!! Burt!!!!!! Noooooooo!!!! Shirley?!?! Noooooooooo YOU MONSTER!!!"
-me while listening

Great episode! I want to murder Scratch! And Pete just 'cause:-P

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I can understand wanting to murder Pete.... but.... ..... god damnit. Shush, TacoTime.

Just a thought. At the end of the episode, Briggs tells Burt that he'll bring the Doctor to look at his hand. (Burt, says that it doesn't matter, though.) So, the Doctor examines Burt. She's never seen him around before, they chat....
Does the Doctor inform Burt of Lizzy or does she inform Lizzy of Burt? Of course it will more than likely be an inadvertent comment that captures, either Burt's or Lizzy's attention. OR, KC could screw with us and neither Burt or Lizzy catches on to the clue that the other is there.

So, guys, tear into this thought. What, if anything, do you think will happen?

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Just a thought. At the end of the episode, Briggs tells Burt that he'll bring the Doctor to look at his hand. (Burt, says that it doesn't matter, though.) So, the Doctor examines Burt. She's never seen him around before, they chat....
Does the Doctor inform Burt of Lizzy or does she inform Lizzy of Burt? Of course it will more than likely be an inadvertent comment that captures, either Burt's or Lizzy's attention. OR, KC could screw with us and neither Burt or Lizzy catches on to the clue that the other is there.

So, guys, tear into this thought. What, if anything, do you think will happen?

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I doubt they'd run the risk of saying anything to either of them. Too dangerous. Loose lips get cut off and sewn into ballcaps.