How is that cliche, and how am I assuming? He said he was going to skullfuck her corpse, with good reason. She destroyed his most prized possession in a weak and desperate attempt to get him to spill the beans. She couldn't be more of a weak character now, and he flat out said he was going to kill her. Tearing her limb from limb was meant as an expression based of him flat out telling her that he was going to kill her in the most brutal and denigrating way possible. Not assumption, and not cliche.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
Ah yes, but there is another elemtent to that story. She's pregnant. Maybe not his, but maybe it is. He actions are no more cliche than Bricks'. Saul wants to protect her because they have a relationship for one, and now he knows she pregnant so there's even more reason to get her away from those psychotic murderers. I wouldn't call that cliche, I'd call that doing the right thing for people that have risked their lives to protect yours in the past. She basically browbeat Burt to go back when he was mobbed in the Prius, even though she pretty much wanted nothing to do with him that entire trip. So makes perfect sense that he's going back to get her when no one else will. Repay the favor she did for him in a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
She's a murderous psychopath, now she's got a sob story to try and flesh out the one dimension she has and it fails completely. She is trying to project her own sense of warped and illogical "rules" that the families she's in the middle of to a person that killed her brother in self defense. She has one dimension, anger. Misplaced anger. Having her backstory that she was raped and was repaid for cutting her Uncles dick off and then using that set of psychopath rules to justify killing all of Pegs friends to get her back for defending herself is cliche. The evil villian trying to get vengence for a percieved crime against her. The only thing she has is anger, and the rape backstory was a waste of air time. I can't believe anyone would sympathize with her wanting vengence for her brother, and using that as justification for her actions. Rape isn't something to make light of, and it's awful she went through that. Doesn't give her character any more depth or reason to act the way she does. Her wanting to kill Pegs because she killed Latch in self defense has nothing to do with her getting raped, it's just a desperate stab at trying to legitimize her psychotic behavior. How anyone could like a murderous person like her is beyond me. I respect that people have reasons to want to like her, but she's shown nothing more than blind and illogical rage. I felt the same about Kalani. He was just as one dimensionally stupid as Scratch is one dimensionally angry. Scratch has nothing to offer other than misplaced anger, and her character will never really have any depth if they don't give her any reason to exist other than to be fill the external villain role.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Her only strength is being part of these mysterious families. She's physically weak, she's mentally insane, she's a unremorseful murderer, and she's blind with rage. If it weren't for the ring she wears, she'd be long dead. She can't stand up to Bricks, she has to have Bricks hold down Burt so she could cut off his finger without Burt having the chance to rip her arms off, and she has to resort to starving a man to death to get information. Every other group has people far more resourceful and more capable people, leave Scratch on her own and she's dead. Only thing that keeps people in line is her rage and the protection the ring brings her. Look at Saul and Vic. Both alone and yet they managed to survive without help. Saul did so completely on his own. Without anyone else, Scratch has nothing to keep her alive. She's the cliche "angry for the wrong reasons" character and has to depend on people and outside influences to maintain her power.
It's not being contrarian to state an opinion. Because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong, or make you right. I can have a differing opinion without being insulted. I don't appreciate the tone you're taking with me for having a differing viewpoint on the character development of Scratch. I had enough of that garbage treatment from Osiris, his condescending attitude, and I don't need it from you either. I think Scratch has had some great moments, but she's starting to slip into the role of "misguided anger" issues area. There's so much that could change here, but she falling into a very very predictable pattern and I don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
So you don't think that she's not going to use Lizzies little boy against her when the opportunity presents itself? You don't see that coming? Her sob story rape was pointless, we all know damn well that she will use both Lizzie and that baby to get what she wants, her being raped and having an abortion won't stop her from using whatever she has at hand to get what she wants. Proven by the fact that she starved Burt, destroyed his gun in a little tempter tantrum, and then cut off his finger, and also by killing Hanna to distract the tower guys when she attacked it the second time. She will do anything, no matter how gruesome or horrible, to get what she wants and she's projecting her warped family values on the world like they mean anything to anyone but her. She's falling into a completely predictable pattern, and it's getting worse. Not a single person that has been in coversation about Burt and/or Angel sees/saw the point in continuing to torture them. Hell, Bricks even defended Burt there at the end, taking the knife away from her by force. Her response? "Yeah, well. This isn't over." *stomping off in a huff*
She's run out of options, she's mentally weak and certifiably insane, and she has to depend on everyone around her to respect the ring she wears and not her skills or cunning. She has one dimension, anger. Anger that has gotten her nothing, and so she's using more of it in the desperate attempt to fix what she's fucked up. Misplaced anger is cliche, and Scratch is nothing but misplaced anger. She's projecting her rape and the following consequences on Pegs and is doing what all psychotic killers do and trying to make up for it by killing one person thinking it'll bring her peace or some kind of conflict resolution. Since the beginning of the series she's been nothing but piss and vinegar, and nothing has changed.
Pegs only "murdered" Latch in her eyes, I think 99% of people that aren't murderous psychopaths would be able to tell the difference between murder and self defense. Pegs most definitely did not murder Latch, something that a person with the mental instablility and misplaced rage like Scratch wouldn't be able to tell the truth from perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
How can CJ not be weak? She had Sean as her enforcer and general task completer, and now Saul and Vic fill that role. She doesn't go out on her own now that she has someone to do it for her. She threatened them with expulsion if they didn't get her info on what was going on in Inglewood, both almost died in the process, and now that they ask for the same help. Notice I said ask, she tells them they are nothing more than warm bodies that take up space in her building. She is only alive because of Ink. For some reason he called his dogs off her when the tower was being gutted, she had her back to the wall and there were way more zombies in there than she had bullets for. She may be a good planner, but plans don't mean squat when the person making them is too weak, paranoid, or vengeful to carry them out. Saul and Vic make shit happen there, and even without CJ and her ego, they'd still survive. The reason CJ has for so long is that she had people around her willing to take her abrasive and abusive personality in stride. Most likely for themselves, each other, and not her. If Saul and Vic up and said "screw you we're going to the colony anyway" she's be her bullheaded self and betray their trust again. I'd think twice about being around someone that's so quick to cast people out because they don't want to do what I want to do. Her little tantrum under the guise of thinking carefully about a plan shows her for what she is, a weak coward. Saul and Vic have more than earned her respect, and the first thing she did when asked for help was to lash out at them and insult them. I agree that they should think through the steps more carefully and weigh the risks, that's just being smart, but the way she immediately threw them under the bus after acquiescing to her threats for the last 6 months or so, she's proven that she's not mentally stong, as well as not physically strong. I like CJ because she's got a good thing going, but I really don't like that she's so quick to act like her shit doesn't stink. Her ass was grass in the tower attack and the sole reason she survived was some seriously confusing mercy shown by Ink.
