I just can't see Scratch giving a damn about Pippin. He's there for one purpose only... subversion. If he's not serving his purpose I see Scratch and Co. having little use for him. Just another mouth to feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griss
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I just can't see Scratch giving a damn about Pippin. He's there for one purpose only... subversion. If he's not serving his purpose I see Scratch and Co. having little use for him. Just another mouth to feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griss
Saul does know that. Kalani and Datu bring Burt and Saul up to speed when they arrive at LAX to start working on the chopper. Saul knows Pippin is dead and that Lewis is in custody for the murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griss
And as Osiris said above: Pippin's one purpose could have been to keep the Tower distracted by having them focus inward, while the Mallers are performing activities around their walls. After all, from the Mallers POV the Tower are a bunch of authoritative assholes and bullies: They stole their tanker (which they were planning on using to kill the zombies en masse), they spied on their home first, they ignored the offer to be let into the Tower, they fired the first shots of the War, and the Tower called the zombies to attack the Mallers (they don't know its a fact, but they do suspect it).
If I were the Mallers, I'd want these group of aggressive assholes (who also are the remnants of the authority structure that imprisoned them) to be distracted at all costs.
EDIT: Fixed my typo (Kalani vs. Pippin being dead), so I deleted your post questioning what I was talking about.
That's a good point. How long before the Mallers attacked the arena did the tower take that tanker? It feels like a very long time ago; did Durai know about the arena at that point or was his plan a more general mass cull back then?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
the Tivo doesn't mention Caine, just that Ink was being transferred to a mental health facility after his plea for insanity was accepted in a multiple homicide case in Santa MonicaQuote:
Originally Posted by killerbeardhawk
I'm inclined to agree with Capt. Typographical Error III. The only reason we're on the Resident's side is because its their side of the story we're hearing. Who knows how we would feel had this all been from the Maller's perspective. Pippin is no barganing chip and Saul knows it. He won't bother trying that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Jackass ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Worst part? I can't even blame it on being on a mobile device this time. I was on my lappy and decided that I felt like typing Kalani instead of Pippin as the murdered subject.
We don't really know how long it was. The best guess I've been able to throw at it: The Mallers originally tried to set up shop at the Arena and quickly discovered how piss poor a plan that was. That's one of the best reasons I can think of as to why they'd know that and be hatching the Tanker Truck Bomb plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by symon_r
By every estimate I've ever seen on "Life After People" on the History Channel, the power grid every where would fail within a week to two weeks without human intervention. So most definitely by the middle of June '09 S/B/L had stolen the tanker.
I'm not entirely certain that I agree with your assessment of the Mallers having tried to set up operations at the Arena as a reason they would know where to launch their attack. I would be inclined to believe it was something much more innocuous such as they had attempted to scavenge supplies from there at one point. Perhaps searching for food or fuel?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
For all we know the mallers could have got some locators and tried an experiment of their own.
That would be the other option I considered, however I'm trying to give the Mallers more credit than holding up in a strip mall as their first choice. The arena would have been a much better plan than the strip mall. But yeah, scouring for supplies also makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I'm going to have to go back to the map after I finish writing this blog entry... you've raised an interesting question here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I suppose the other question is why did Durai want to attack the arena?Quote:
The best guess I've been able to throw at it: The Mallers originally tried to set up shop at the Arena and quickly discovered how piss poor a plan that was. That's one of the best reasons I can think of as to why they'd know that and be hatching the Tanker Truck Bomb plan.
Was he just trying to reduce their numbers? That would imply he doesn't know that the issue has affected far more than the local area or believed there to be a specific target at the arena?
Less enemies at any time is better than more enemies all the time.
I could see that Durai has an understanding of how far reaching the 'issue' actually is, seeing as he went down south and is now, most likely, gathering more precise intel on where the infection first hit and what the rate of growth of said 'issue' actually is.
IMO these are the folks on the table to die in the next episode: SCRATCH, BURT and/or SAUL.
I know that Saul is not going to actually trade Pegs for Lizzie, though he may offer that exchange to Scratch. In fact the episode could be played in such a way that the audience, us, believe he's taking Pegs to Scratch, having kidnapped her from LAX. We could hear Victor is in pursuit, or following behind and he radios the Nest to inform them they are on their way to rendevoius with the Mallers. Confrontation ensues! Saul could actually scheme with Pegs and Victor, telling them that this is the only way for them to get Lizzie back AND finally get rid of a major threat: Scratch. So I figure Scratch is going down with the season finally. Saul may get injured, or come close to death, again, but I think 'ol Burt may swoop in just in time to sacrafice himself. :'(
So I'm wondering how exactly Pinstripes is building these creatures. I know he uses clippers to sharpen the nails, and tattoos them. But how is he making them short in stature? Also, is he responsible for creating the Behemoths? Kalani and Riley describe a room in the mental hospital that has it's door ripped off and the door frame smashed open, as though something big had gone through. Also, the bed in that room is covered in blood and has several needles and bottles around it. Is Pinstripes a bad ass biologist dude? Maybe he once worked for the military but snapped and went serial killer?
Kalani confused me further when he said he was almost positive Pinstripes is the one from the Arena. Does this mean that the theory of two leader zombies (The one with markings, and Pinstripes) are in fact, the same? And a little side note, do you think when Pinstripes caught the arrow he recognized it as being the same thing lodged in the eye socket of one of his Behemoths? Pinstripes could now have a personal interest in Riley! ;) Dun dun dun!!! Vendetta!
No way! I thought I was crazy for making those connections too! Also, the ending is the same, a helicopter escape. It could have been done intentionally. Jurassic Park was a place where man was fooling with the science in such a way that it was perverting the natural order of life. Cain General Hospital could be a comparison to Jurassic Park; a place where science is creating the abominations that wreak havok on humanity and totally bump us down a notch on the food chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanlm09
[QUOTE=nikvoodoo;24185]Jackass ;)
We don't really know how long it was. The best guess I've been able to throw at it: The Mallers originally tried to set up shop at the Arena and quickly discovered how piss poor a plan that was. That's one of the best reasons I can think of as to why they'd know that and be hatching the Tanker Truck Bomb plan.
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Nik,
When did you come up with that cockamamie theory? LOL. This is the first time I've heard this from you mate. It's counter to my Durai Theory (which i'm not gonna go over for the trillionth time), but it's actually not that bad an idea except how would a couple hundred live in such an open space? The sky boxes are basically the only rooms available in an arena aren't they? Everyone else would have to live down on the field/floor/rink
As far as the Arena being a better place than a mall.. how so? You have practically everything you need in a mall. It may be more pourous security wise, but they had the manpower to make it work. Other than that, they had pleny of space to live, to store things and not to mention a ton of stuff they didn't have to go searching for because it's right there.
I also see them using the stores as living quarters and areas to keep the slaves.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the connection. I don't know if it was intentional on KC's part but I noticed some events that were related to JP. I went through the whole chapter last night and noticed that some of the music selection was also JPish. Hmmm... maybe just my fanboy ways spilling overQuote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
[QUOTE=symon_r;24192]I suppose the other question is why did Durai want to attack the arena?
My guess is that he was either trying to piss off the zombies so they would attack the tower or he knew that attacking their base and trying to kill them all at once was their best chance for survival. As Michael said in the chapter were they followed the zombies to the arena, its better to attack them all instead of picking them off one at at time. When Tar said they didnt have enough tankers to do what they needed to do, they didnt kill all of them in the arena just a bulk of them
Scratch has a whole speech in 21-2 ~8:15 about why they are doing it. She says it is because the zombies will follow them wherever they go.Quote:
Originally Posted by symon_r
It comes simply from the need to figure out exactly how Durai knows about the Arena so early. And trying to live there makes sense to me. There are more places in an arena to sleep than just sky boxes. There would be offices, locker rooms, training rooms, and things like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Besides can't you just imagine some Maller being like "there'll be beer there!"
I'll buy that for a dollar! Kinda. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Good point on the offices and stuff, but i'll tell you that having to live like that at the Embassy in Haiti.. cramped.
Yes that would explain it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
I'd completely forgotten about that part of the show but now you mention it I know exactly where I was when I heard it
I agree with everything you say. I have a spin on it. How about Saul found someone important when he was digging around the wreckage at the arena and wants to trade hostages. They fled leaving the injured. There are also at least 2 tankers out there. (Fuel solution for the planes? Hopefully it's diesel, or whatever planes need. Jet fuel?)Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
And let's say Tanya was the lawyer that represented tatoo guy and knows the secret behind everything that is happening. Have you ever heard her ask why? She kept telling her nephew "you don't understand what is happening right now". We automatically think she's being her witchy self. But what if...
And the nails on the floor could be the cuttings from the little pale ones. The one that got his arm ripped of had nails filed into tips. I dunno, sounded irregular.
If Saul traded Peggy, he would risk turning the house against. He's trying to bring Liz home, not get kicked out.
Can't get enough of the show. The members here are articulate. Thanks for the entertainment!
As the person who accidentally typed Kalani was dead when I meant Pippin the other day, I think it's apropos that I mention I think you meant Kelly, not Tanya as the lawyer for Ink. However, if she was Ink's lawyer, she wouldn't be able to be baby sitting Tommy and his sister. She would have to be in court that morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by diosa
Yup, totally meant Kelly. My bad zom:(Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Not necesarily. They showed up later. Perhaps she gut stucking picking him after work or something... I just want to find out what is happening. At this point I'd welcome a tape with a breathless scientist explaining how they didn't mean for the experiment to go horribly wrong!
Funny, I don't recall that incident. I don't think Kelly was Ink's lawyer, but anything is possible. I'm leaning toward Skittles being Ink.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Of course... You wouldn't recall something like that....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
But if Skittles was Ink, don't you think there would be some mention of him being covered in tattoos from head to toe? even in a zombie apocalypse that seems like it would be a noteworthy thing.
However, I will say that there's the general assumption that Skittles was from the Other Tower. That theory is one I don't buy into. I believe it's more likely that he was interned in a mental hospital (hmm...) and might have been around when he saw his friends get killed....and that could have been by Ink's hands.
I am in the camp that Skittles was from the other tower. The straw that I grasp is that Skittles says he recognizes Kalani. Kalani does not recognize skittles, but Kalani was only there a couple of days before its fall. I think the other tower had a lot more people in it. They sent out a team of scavengers with ~20 people. It is kinda like asking the new kid in a school. He might not recognize everyone, but everyone would recognize him.
Ink was headed towards a criminally insane type hospital. Maybe skittles was there as a pyromaniac or something. But, we have not seen any evidence of criminal behavior in skittles.
Skittles was seen coming from the direction of the Arena. If he had been hiding out in that general area, he could have seen Kalani being taken to the arena after he was captured. That's the straw I'm clinging to. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Ink was headed to a criminal insane asylum. But there's no mention of where he stayed before or during the trial.
I concur with the skittles/mental patient theory.
That second tower had a lot of people who also seem to end up all over the place. Hope going so far south, and blind has always sounded off to me. Skittles. Perhaps Kalani. Hope's mother. I am really curious to hear about all the innovations Hope's mom was alluding to.
It feels like we are getting really close to finding out about patient zero. This show is sooo exciting! I can't believe everyone isn't listening to it.
Did I miss the part where it was mentioned that Ink was covered head to toe in tattoos? Or am I on crack? Chapter/Timecode please, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Yup. Yup you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
2-3 after 20:30. That's how Bill Roberts got the "Ink' nickname is he's covered in tattoos.
Well shit the bed. I completely missed that! I'm an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
He peeled off his skin! Sneaky bastard!
quick! Get some salt!!!! That'll stop the bastard!Quote:
Originally Posted by osiris
Well... I mean... aw crap. My last blog needs some edits. I feel like a tard.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Nah, c'mon. You can't really believe that Skittles come from the mental hospital, do you? He says he witnessed his friends die, which granted his 'friends' could have been fellow patients, but I believe this was a reference to the other tower. The fact that he recognized Kalani supports this. I don't think that would have been written in the story just for the hell of it. Kalani discusses how locked down CJ had made thier tower yet one managed to get in and pop open the flood gates (Pinstripes M.O.). This is likely where the situation in which Skittles could have seen Pinstripes (well at the time I don't think Ink had aquired Paul's suit, so who knows what he looked like then). It's also very possible that Skittles could have been one of the few captured rather than killed. He, along with Samantha, Kalani, and numerous others could have been taken to the Arena. Maybe Skittles escaped the arena and that's why Angel, Riley, and Datu see him on their way there. Though I think it's most likely that Skittles escaped the initial zombie raid on Tower #2 and has been living in the streets since then. It may have been that he just accidentally wandered too close to the arena and realized who/what lived there.
I just think the idea that Skittles came from the mental hospital seems born too much from imagination, kind of like the notion that Saul would disable the cars when he fled LAX :P
I was talking to friend at work last night who also listens to the show, and we got on the subject of the arrow ink caught out of the air...the thing of interest about this as he was saying isn't the fact that he caught it, but that he managed to stop it. That type of thing would take tremendous hand strength and muscle dexterity..i mean think about it. Its a smooth shaft sliding though your hand...and he (as far as we know) Stopped it before it hit his body...no muscle decomposition there ...
Also...i haven't heard anybody address this fact. But what's up with the other room they looked In? " bloody bed, countless needles, and broken glass..more tattoos? Injections ? Making multiple inks?...hmm
As opposed to all of the hard facts that you've based your theory on? There is far too little known about Skittles to say definitively what his origin is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero