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I firmly believe Tanya and Saul are not infected. If they are infected they are immune. Way too much time has passed since they both were exposed. I just do not see the incubation period being that slow. But I have been wrong before. I will totally be shocked if either one of them turn.
I personal believe you can not shut out the endless supernatural means to this virus.
Here is an Ink Theory for you guys..
Ink knows its coming because Raydon researched the gas in some sort of lab research. Someone was drilling way down. Found the gas, Raydon researched it. Try to find a pharma use for it. Ink, well at that time Bill Roberts, was Head of the Research. There is no telling how many lab rats, chimps, or other animals or humans were used studying it. That could have been when he found out about the symbols. could have been a freak accident. They nnew it physically changed the patients. So maybe they were shown random images, such as the colored cards some a referring to, and got some hits that lead him to his understanding how it worked.. Maybe he used the excuse of his wife cheating to off his family so they would not have to live through what he knew was coming.
I can think of so many theories it makes my head hurt. KC you have done a wonderful job making everyone's imagination run wild. This podcast will go down as the best of the best in my book.. Now lets hurry up and get to Monday....
Relistening to the chapter now, just a few thoughts (may have already been covered in the 16 previous pages jesus people! lol)
-Wedding: My thinking is that is where Scratch will make her attack, but perhaps that was just small talk between Burt Riley and Saul
-Burt v Scratch: "You have a drill on you all the time?" I can't help but think this may be the tool of choice when Burt finally meets Scratch. Listening to him drill out the medicine cabinet just had me thinking down that road.
-Address: Has anyone discussed possible locations of the address that caused Datu's spazz out?
Unless Datu is shopping for area where to have the wedding ceremonial for Saul, I believe the address is the church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
OMG... I sooo much want to hear him kill Scratch with a drill now..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
I just can't wait to see what Burt got to replace his Desert Eagle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
Will he go for another Uber powerful handgun?
Or will he scale it back just a tiny bit and go for a more common magnum?
Or has he decided that magnums are not his thing anymore and pick up a standard caliber handgun?
Question of the day regarding the symbols:
Is Ink able to control a zombie using the symbols if the zombie suffers from dyslexia?
Been thinking some more about this episode.
I'm more down the path of the markings on the shopping list and the Ink markings (tats and symbols in the jail) as being unrelated. I don't recall anyone saying that the images/symbols brought back from the jail matched up with anything on the shopping list. It seems like something that Michael or Kelly (esp. Kelly) would have tied together pretty quickly. This steers away from Datu learning or already knowing some special Zombie language.
Also, I'm not sure that Ink's tats/markings have any real power or even translate into a language. It seems like he was grabbing all of the different symbols he could come up with that might convey leader/protection to a brain that may have lost some/all of it's language capabilities. That mixed with take charge and alpha behaviors and displays of strength, etc. could be enough to get him his "position" in the local LA zombie hierarchy.
Anyway, it be very interesting to learn both what the markings are and what the address is....
I listened to the episode again and the transition from Saul, Burt, and Riley escaping the hospital to the sitting and chatting with Tanya over the phone/radio was really cool. It got me thinking more about who's perspective this information was being recorded from. Saul and Riley both do voiceovers during the lead up to the Behemoth encounter. So I am assuming that Tanya is the one recording it as they tell her. But I think we are still missing a confirmed Tanya journal entry in the whole series. I could be wrong but....
So, Saul and Riley haven't exactly been big on making journal entries (very large time periods with no info from either of them directly). Burt has done them before but we haven't heard anything directly from him in a while either. So it points to Tanya as the one recording. She's been very talkative in several episodes this season - almost like she's giving us the signal amidst a bunch of noise. Hmmm....
Maybe more later....
Soooooo judging by what we know and what we have learned.........
Next week's episode will just be 30 minutes of CJ standing behind Datu forcing him to work on the stupid mill...... and every time Datu says he can't or starts to fade CJ will just hold up the paper and cause him pain until he continues working again!
Datu - "I'm just tired right now, can I lay down?"
CJ - "Do your job peasant! For the Greater Good!!!"
Sorry, CJ will be busy listening to Peg's stories about Ms. Moo's calf discovering potatoesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
in no way was I saying it was a solution. only an example of how the brain is a strange animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
jeez, I really don't get whats so hard to understand....
I don't know. Pegs killed Latch out of self defense. I don't see why she has to kill Scratch too. Scratch on the other hand killed Shirley, starved Burt, and cut off his trigger finger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Seems to me that Burt has more of a poetic reason to kill her than Pegs. Just my .02.
Datu being able to read the markings now gives another bit of credence to the Randy is a good Zombie theory don't you think? He just gave Michael one of the best gifts ever.
A Zombie Translator.:brains:
Just another one of the many things King Datu the Resourceful can add to his bag of tools.
@GrognaurdQuote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Yup, you are right. I just pulled 42-2 up and listened to it. As Burt drives Saul, Riley, and Tanya to the jail for Puck, it is Tanya who narrates the description of the scene with Puck and the gun truck.
I think I even called it out over in the 42-2 thread... my brain just ain't working this week.
So, next conjecture - why has Tanya started narrating or recording info in the main communication method in the last 2 chapters? Are her perspectives and thoughts more valuable or informative now? More "hmmm...."
Scratch sneaks quietly across the grounds........ Today will be the day..... Today she is going to get it for what she did to Latch.....
Scratch sees pegs at the barn kneeling by a bed of hay..... slowly she moves closer, bringing her gun up!!!
Scratch yells "HEY YOU!!! TIME TO DIE!!"
Pegs turns in fear.....
Then all of a sudden...... MOOOOOOooooOOOOooOoooOoOoOOOOO!!!!!
and Scratch is crushed against the side of the barn and killed by Mrs. Maggoo!!!
There..... now we all know how Scratch will Die! :mad:
At first, you made me write an epic rant about your prediction, because nobody kills Osiris' taphophilic love interest. But on the other side, you also made me laugh hard. Your proposed conclusion to the Pegs-Scratch-situation would be a wonderful hommage to Monty Python's The Holy Grail movie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXOeqwbrEo
It is ok, I get brainfarts when life opens a six pack of whoopass, and you got hit with the whole case.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
She is only around for a few days before she gets locked up and all she could do was rehash what someone else wrote. Now, she is part of the team. I hope she does not figure it out before I do! Lol
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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
What an interesting use of taphophilia...
:tinfoil:Perhaps the symbols are arranged like a puzzle or riddle. That's what Datu means when he says that you can't 'read' the address. You have to decipher it. When he says 'you can't read it.' he is nor referring to any particular person or persons, but he means that the address isn't 'spelled' like a word. Think of Pictionary.
Solved it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
BUTTSEX!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never mind. I was channeling Nurse Britt.
I think what he means is that Michael can't see it because he's not turning
I think your on to something my thought is randy bit datu to be a cipher. That's why he told him to go he was there with micheal at the water works. He must no micheal had the paper I think datu will be able to read inks tattoos. I hope this wasn't said already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
What happens to make the zombie spoken language understandable? Is all zombie-speak the same no matter the original spoken language? It all reminds me of the Tower of Bable story...except they left out the part about the zombies.
perception.
that's perhaps the thing that has me so certain of the language thing. -what if- the perception of the very reality we live in, changes? what if the mind fundamentally shifts to a "different" way of seeing the world? datu says that theres another address on the note, what if even randy did not see it as an address? what if ink did not write it as an address? what if datus perception of the symbols changed it in that moment of "zombie mind awakening" and he saw an address where ink actually wrote a chemical? that we have to wait to find out...but all this is a possibility that while very much on the fringes of science...still have some basis in the logical, scientific world. we accept everything we know around us because our perceptions of the world are so similar. what I call an apple, you call an apple, I write the word apple and we all naturally see...an apple. what if your perception of an "apple" changes? you still know what an apple is...you still see the apple, you still right the word "apple" but now the apple is a bloody human heart, ripped from the tree it grows in...
am I right with all this? fuck I hope not. but its an option, better - its my "perception" of the story so far-.
todd-0
I really, REALLY hope that they are fans... they have discussed the science of zombies on occasion in the past, even debating the zombies in The Walking Dead. There's about a month and a half between 46 3/3 and the finale event... if any of them are fans, maybe The WA Fan Cast could have them on as a guest during that extended break. Bob made an appearance on the Nerd List... so it might not be out of the question... though TAM is July 10-13 this year, could be busy with preparations.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
So, here's my take. I don't think it has anything to do with magic at all... What it is, I have no idea, not yet... but here's the vibe that I'm taking away from this. I'm still thinking science, but a whole lot deeper into the fringe.
I had to seriously dig for it, but I found it, way back in the thread for WND #55:
It seems that it was already hinted at back in Chapter 37... Which lead me to the astounding realization as to why. That we might all already be infected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
The juicy bit, if you don't click through, even tough you really should:
Couple that with one of the articles that I linked in that post, it is been discovered that there are 100,000 pieces of retroviral DNA in OUR genes, making up about 8% of the human genome... and that HIV has been show to activate latent virus code. The zombie virus and haze might be activating latent DNA... now it might be activating more than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
If I may, I'd like to take it a step further over the line and into the fringe. I'll try to retain some level of coherency here, but I'm just spit balling here. I'm not even sure myself if this may be the case because this is so far out there, foil hat just doesn't cover it:
Let's say that throughout all of human history, more importantly, recorded history there were small precursor outbreaks. Small and isolated, but they were noticed at the time and recorded through various means. The scholars of the time learned a tidbit here, a tiny detail there. Perhaps the insane ravings of a slow turner documented by a physician. Even more chillingly, the insane scribbling of a historian as they succumbed to slow turning. A character here, a sigil there. All written down as a means to attempt to document what they had discovered. Pieces of it leaked into the subconscious and the lexicon of those parent cultures and unknowingly passed it forward.
Each of these ancient scholars, historians and physicians however might have only had one piece (if that) of a much, much larger puzzle. They were also separated not only by thousands of miles but also thousands of years. Now however, the collected works of man can be perused by a visit to a museum or surfing the internet. A smart person, a very clever person, might be able to see through it and piece it together. Singular symbols from vastly disparate cultures and languages are actually representative of parts of a much deeper and older language.
What if zombification isn't just regression to what we used to be physically, but also bits and pieces of memories from eons ago? A genetic memory somehow preserved and now reactivated, are giving the infected the ability to read/understand an ancient proto/precursor language? Maybe the eye of Horus isn't that at all... it is merely a bastardized letter of an entirely different language.
The brilliance of Dr. William Roberts allowed him to cut through the chaff and to the heart of the matter... but what did he see? Prophecy? Instructions? Is this what spurred him to take on schooling in the fields he chose? Was he taking actions to get ready?
I think what happened to Datu was merely a burst of, or an acceleration of the turning, granting him the ability to see the symbols for what they truly are. I don't think that the writing did it to him.
I am absolutely guilty of this, but as Han would say, "Hey, it's me." :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I did after all, start writing before I read all the way through the thread.
But, after an excessive amount of time trying to pen this post... looking at all the symbols, lines and squiggles that comprise the letters in it is now giving me a headache. Time to hit send and bed.
Ah, ok, I can get down with that ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I actually really like this theory. There are fungi in nature that infect a host and change its behaviour (I believe Cordyceps is one - infects spiders and similar), so this is a totally plausible mechanism in my mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Sorry man, I misinterpreted your meaning. Wasn't trying to be a douche!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
This instantly made me think of aphasia (which I think might have been mentioned in the forums before?). Generally it's the loss of ability to use language, but in one subtype people associate concepts with *different* words than the rest of us. Not sure where I'm going with that, other than it's not too much of a stretch to associate different symbols/letters/words with new meaning either, albeit different meaning for each individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
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Originally Posted by Osiris
I can get behind this idea!!!! :nik:
Didn't see if anyone had mentioned it yet or not.......
But did anyone else catch the setup for Saul's attack/death???
Equipment got left at the hospital, Burt offers to come back and help, Saul brushes him off saying he wont need him he can roll it the rest of the way.
;( sad times in the kingdom!
Especially with that behemoth wandering aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
But first Ink will have a long monologue about what his end game will be, giving Michael and co time to escape and stop him!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
:tinfoil: time...
So, this big one walking to the hospital. It was not mentioned that he looked starved. He was described as "bark" covered, not Bone. Puck did not include tattoos in his description. Seems to me, this is not part of the same crowd as the ones in the Jail. Why would it be driven to go to the hospital? I have a slim lead. We were given several names from Ink's trial info. Austin McKibbon, Cohen and Nick something or other. We got info on the first two, we found Cohen's cell and got a name for arrow head.
So, Nick, Hmmm... It is interesting to note that he was part of the criminal psychiatric department. Where was that located? Say it with me now, Cain memorial hospital! Right where we saw this one headed.
The other interesting twist of all the possible baby names that Lizzy could choose, it was Nicholas. It gets curiouser when we remember that she went into psychology for her father...
Interesting theory, but we could only prove it if Lizzy saw this one, which might not ever happen....Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
firstly, I sounded a bit harsh in my response. Apologies for that. It was directed more at the forum at large than you personally. Again, sorry :nik:Quote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
and aphasia was one of the first things I looked at as well. The great big unknown we have to think about is "what if ANY type of change occurs in the brain of those bitten?" any sort of change to the brains structuring and synapse firing, etc...annd what we know as aphasia can be thrown out the window. That's the point I've been trying to make. We can keep all things sciencey and logical up a point. The thing we have to remember is somewhere along the line, a hman becomes a -whatever these "zombies" are-...at that point its science fiction. So regardless of liking magic, supernatural,Sci FI, whatever...fact is...nobody has a zombie virus scientifically proven to work...and if they do
I need to shoot em an email... :hsugh:
Yup yup yup!!! I heard it! Me! This chick! Definite setup!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Love ya Saul, but you're a goner.
I heard it, but I think it's more on the order of him planning something that he thinks could/would get himself killed--something to keep his family safe. I'm hoping he gets some information instead. KC doesn't often conform to the status quo so I am hoping. I enjoy his character and the actor so I would miss him lots. On the other hand Saul's shown excellent instincts before (like his Mom and dog were still alive).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
What if he's attacked and doesn't change?
I've been meaning to mention my progress in that area :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Actually, that's what makes an fungal infection like Ophiocordyceps unilateralis or a parasitic infection like Toxoplasma gondii so appealing. It explains the uniformity of response. Toxoplasma also might explain their tendency to group (other than being ex-humans).
You know, I thought Raydon was making body building stuff, but having a genius like Ink on staff seems way above body builder supplement level know how.
Okay, high icky warning: you know how they talk about the zombie eyes looking cloudy? A link to endophthalmitis which came up. Endophthalmitis can be caused by infectious or non-infectious agents and makes the eyes look cloudy.