Chapter 41-3 Eye of the Storm

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

The music that played when Saul & Tanya realized they were possibly turning is the same that played when In Last Dying Breath when Kalani writes about finding Tommy's body after having betrayed the Towerites to the Mallers?

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Nicely found. Didn't notice that.... Haven't listened to chapter 28 for a bit, wasn't obvious (to me). maybe this is the reference? Maybe....? Or just coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

The only thing I hear is Randy(or another Zombie) says something that sounds like "Mine"(Originally thought to be "Die") during the attack on Datu........

Now Tanya says something about whatever caused the whole thing coming from Waaay underground............. So here is the stretch......

Is Randy/Zombie saying "Mine" like telling the others zombies get away from Datu because I want to bite this one????

Or is "Mine" a hint to where they should be going??? Randy Also says "Go"

So did Randy bite Datu in order to make sure he would be able to breath at ground zero(So far only people who are "infected" can breath there)??? and then tell him where to go(a mine under Inglewood)???

Is there something Deep under Ingelwood that Datu can find or Repair that will help with everything???

:tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil:

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Mind=Blown

So here's the posts we lost due to the database reset:

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

good question.
keep in mind, that pretty much after Saul is shot:
1.) He's bed-ridden for weeks and chained up (not discounting sex, but i doubt Lizzy would want to?)
2.) He's still locked up when Lizzy leaves the Tower
3.) The next time they see each other is at the Colony when she's, what, 5 months preggo?

i'm not saying that it couldn't happen, especially after their drought of 5ish months, but i could also see it not happening as well.

is the zed-turning 'infection' STD-like?
that line that Lizzy says: "Zombies and sex don't seem to go together [paraphrase]" means a little more now...

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Originally Posted by Elisa

No subway underground in Inglewood to my knowledge.

Hey Guys just thinking about the baby birth coming up. Not sure if this was discussed earlier but did Lizzie conceive prior to the tommy - Saul zed episode or after? Are Saul and Lizzie still having sex? Zombaby anyone?

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

...is Ink changed?

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I don't if this has been ask but what will Tanya and Saul turn in to if they turn? Or Datu? We have yet to have an account on a slow turner completely changing. And know that the ALDO and Behemoth are modify version of walker that Ink work on so they can't change to those. So what happen to slow turners? Even Ink can't be count as a slow turner since he change in a couple of hours.

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

i think it's safe to assume it was the sounds of the the pump dying, setting the stage for Datu needing/wanting to fix it--while also providing a very poetic scene.

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Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire

It sounded like a vehicle to me, but I remember that Kc clarified that no one was driving (or something similar).

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Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire

Agreed... after all, we have to remember that R2Da2 managed to put up with being on his own with Hope for ages. Anyone of a weaker disposition would undoubtedly have resorted to extreme violence.

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

the idea of an underground Englewood episode would be awesome.
break out the NVGs!

is there a subway in LA? drudging through sewers would be cool too. lots of tasty audio to be had with reverb.

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Sorry about that. Shouldn't happen again...

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Originally Posted by Kc

So here's the posts we lost due to the database reset:

















Sorry about that. Shouldn't happen again...

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Alright, but more tweaking and less twerking in the background, KC.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Alright, but more tweaking and less twerking in the background, KC.

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Yes, Sir!

Oh yeah, an episode in the sewers would be awesome! Pwease, Kc, pweeease? If it's not for hunting Ink it could be for hunting rats for dinner or something... Or will that first be necesary (spelled?) in 2011? :D

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Originally Posted by Storm

Oh yeah, an episode in the sewers would be awesome! Pwease, Kc, pweeease? If it's not for hunting Ink it could be for hunting rats for dinner or something... Or will that first be necesary (spelled?) in 2011? :D

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Are there any sewers in California that a person could theoretically even stand in?

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Originally Posted by Kc

Are there any sewers in California that a person could theoretically even stand in?

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my science advisor, Donatello ninja turtle....says no.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Are there any sewers in California that a person could theoretically even stand in?

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If the survivors find Andy Dufresne down there crawling to freedom , then no, probably not.

What about those large storm drains that Buckeroo Banzai walks at the end of the ? Are they are only big channels and are feed by small local drains?

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Originally Posted by Arcane Tremere

What about those large storm drains that Buckeroo Banzai walks at the end of the ? Are they are only big channels and are feed by small local drains?

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That would be "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the Eight Dimension."

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Originally Posted by Kc

Are there any sewers in California that a person could theoretically even stand in?

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

my science advisor, Donatello ninja turtle....says no.

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Actually, maybe...

That basin is actually what remains of the LA River, after it was channelized with concrete by the Army Corps of Engineers after the 1938 flood. I don't know the geography of the region or the total extent of that project, but the channelization of the river wasn't limited to just the LA River, many feeder streams, creeks and washes were part of the project. Some were covered over partially in some areas essentially forming underground rivers. There's one example at the start of the LA river: Arroyo Calabasas between Topanga Canyon Blvd. and Vanowen St.

Then there's the Paicioma wash, it goes underground at Van Nuys Blvd as a storm drain for about a mile or so before it joins up with the Tujunga Wash approximately HERE.

There are also many storm drain discharge points of significant size as well. Here's one such location. Two more.

(I'd scan Google maps for more, but you get the idea and the processor load on my laptop is making it angry.)

Then there's also the Purple and Red Subway lines that were brought up during discussion for Chapter 40; part 2/3 and 3/3.

Plenty places for the skin suckers to hide. I suspect that if this gets brought up in the show as a search location, it's going to get a resounding "Fuuuuuuuuck That" and "D'Fuq's wronwitchu?" from Saul.

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Originally Posted by cringebot

I actually don't think this is that far fetched.

After listening to CH39 over, I wasn't sure if this was ever brought up;

I think it's in the water. Pegs says they expanded the colony and got a new park near a creek bed for more crops. The water was dirty, but good enough for the crops. Sounds like there was an abundance of crops from that harvest. So could the fresh ground water be contaminated somehow? Something that cannot be detected? Randy also prevents Datu/Glen from fixing the water pump. The air sample or fog is coming from deep down, you need some kind of moisture to steam, even Tanya says she's been unable to detect anything about it.

Randy very well could be helping them. Also, Randy is a mechanic and in CH39 Datu also says he's the mechanic between him and Glen.

There's something else I'm confused about. Randy was referred to as a "Lone Wolf" holding the follistatin raydon bottle and sightings of zombies were low. After Michael chased him down puck refered to it as a possible trap because other zombies jumped out after Randy dropped the bottle. They also said there is a scent they could follow. Now when they get to Raydon it was the smell that attracted them to Roberts office. After Michael and his crew get attacked at Raydon they are bunkered up in a safe house and can hear a bunch of zombies outside and Micheal says they all smelled like chemicals so maybe that's why they couldn't pinpoint their location. Can Follistatin be used as some kind of deterant? They got list and they know that the zombies want it...

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This is a good point.when I was in California L.A had a ton of water main breaks flooding entire neighborhoods this was due to old pipes.what if they were dumping stuff down drains or something of the sort. Lets say an old pipe burst letting all that gas and fumes out built up in the pipes causing a chain reaction.or some one at a construction site got to close to a leaking pipe causing a chain reaction.possibly leading to holding tanks underground. Hope I'm not re hashing anything

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Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti

This is a good point.when I was in California L.A had a ton of water main breaks flooding entire neighborhoods this was due to old pipes.what if they were dumping stuff down drains or something of the sort. Lets say an old pipe burst letting all that gas and fumes out built up in the pipes causing a chain reaction.or some one at a construction site got to close to a leaking pipe causing a chain reaction.possibly leading to holding tanks underground. Hope I'm not re hashing anything

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For me I can't see how something in LA is the sole cause of this due to the this affecting other areas like Hawaii. This makes the gas all that more baffling to understand

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Originally Posted by Shrunken

For me I can't see how something in LA is the sole cause of this due to the this affecting other areas like Hawaii. This makes the gas all that more baffling to understand

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Good point. Something beyond the gas was able to reach Hawaii and even Boulder, CO without the help from the gas or Ink himself.

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Originally Posted by Storm

They've found canser medicine stuff at Raydon, and Burt's wife died from canser.....
Connection??

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This has some merit...

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

... plus: Burt knows about level Raydon Labs personell ...

Since Raydon Labs is located in Downtown LA and Burt's Locked'n'Loaded is abot 10 (+/-) miles away, there needs to be a reason about what gives him the knowledge about such information. Maybe it was because his wife had cancer, maybe because he got medicine provided from Raydon Labs for treating either his alcohol-issues or his "shakes" rooting back into his military career ...

Maybe not even half as reaching as one might guess ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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^^ For this reason. Burt could have went there to help find a cure for his wife, or for his shakes. But he did recognize that ID badge when it was fairly dark and when he was feeling not so great. It seemed to me at the time he had studied it up close. Maybe he had been there before the outbreak.

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

If the survivors find Andy Dufresne down there crawling to freedom , then no, probably not.

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That would be Maine.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Good point. Something beyond the gas was able to reach Hawaii and even Boulder, CO without the help from the gas or Ink himself.

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It hurts my head trying to think now of how it all connects together. I'm thinking is there something I've missed

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Originally Posted by Shrunken

For me I can't see how something in LA is the sole cause of this due to the this affecting other areas like Hawaii. This makes the gas all that more baffling to understand

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Originally Posted by Shrunken

It hurts my head trying to think now of how it all connects together. I'm thinking is there something I've missed

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Remember when Col. Kimmet described the hot spots to Micheal? He rattled off a list of areas that are prone to earth quakes and/or have volcanoes. L.A., the Bay Area, Oregon, Japan, China and the Philippines. Throw in Hawaii, according to Kalani. The only kink in this idea comes from the TiVo recording, when the reporter mentions the names of cities not known for being geologically unstable, like Houston, Chicago, New York and Detroit. However, the reporter said that it was an update, therefore it may have spread to those areas via rapid transit.

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

This has some merit...



^^ For this reason. Burt could have went there to help find a cure for his wife, or for his shakes. But he did recognize that ID badge when it was fairly dark and when he was feeling not so great. It seemed to me at the time he had studied it up close. Maybe he had been there before the outbreak.



That would be Maine.

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...Merit? That's that metal from LOTR, right? ...No wait, that's mithril... Never mind.
But yeah, doesn't seem unlikely to me that he would know where his wife got her meds from. Had forgot he had those shakes, a long time since they've been brought up.

Eventually, we will get it all figured out.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Remember when Col. Kimmet described the hot spots to Micheal? He rattled off a list of areas that are prone to earth quakes and/or have volcanoes. L.A., the Bay Area, Oregon, Japan, China and the Philippines. Throw in Hawaii, according to Kalani. The only kink in this idea comes from the TiVo recording, when the reporter mentions the names of cities not known for being geologically unstable, like Houston, Chicago, New York and Detroit. However, the reporter said that it was an update, therefore it may have spread to those areas via rapid transit.

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Not known for geologic instability, but they are seismically active to one extent or another. For one of my very first posts back in my nooblet days, I chased down the seismic activity of the cities mentioned on the TiVo. As the very title of one of the chapters states, It Only Takes One. Just a little bit of whatever escapes to the surface, one person turns and boom, outbreak hotzone.

Now, as I mentioned HERE, it's the as blatantly obvious as a punch in the face seismically active places that seem to have gotten "hit" harder.

I also mentioned that those recent and devastating New Zealand quakes, despite being a known seismically active region, the quakes were actually caused by a previously undiscovered fault line.

Hell, there was an earthquake on 1/9/14 at 10:52 AM in New Bedford MA... just yesterday as I'm writing this. Measuring 1.9 magnitude and centered about seven miles north of the city, one long time resident reported that it was one of the smaller ones they have felt. This isn't even "out of the ordinary," among others recorded, there was the magnitude 6.2 Cape Ann quake in 1755 and a magnitude 7 quake in 1638 that was probably centered in New Hampshire. Article here. (I also seem to remember in my youth reading that there is a fault complex under Boston and Massachusetts Bay that should be able to produce a magnitude 8 quake... but doesn't. Is acting dormant/extinct... but all appearances look like it shouldn't be.)

This should underline that, while there are many areas that are more obvious in their activity, quakes can occur everywhere. The crust is literally shattered with fault lines. Active, extinct, dormant and/or waiting to be discovered... they're everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Remember when Col. Kimmet described the hot spots to Micheal? He rattled off a list of areas that are prone to earth quakes and/or have volcanoes. L.A., the Bay Area, Oregon, Japan, China and the Philippines. Throw in Hawaii, according to Kalani. The only kink in this idea comes from the TiVo recording, when the reporter mentions the names of cities not known for being geologically unstable, like Houston, Chicago, New York and Detroit. However, the reporter said that it was an update, therefore it may have spread to those areas via rapid transit.

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theres also the Santa Ana winds the blow through through out the year and they get pretty gusty.

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Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti

theres also the Santa Ana winds the blow through through out the year and they get pretty gusty.

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Talk about the weather, where the storm in this eps? The eye of the storm usual meets the center and calm. Is something about to hit the fan?

Since the eye of the storm is half way through the storm, the calm before shit picks back up, what was the first part of the storm?

Datu and co being attacked?

The return of Scratch

But once the eye of the storm passes, the wind blows in the OTHER direction.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

But once the eye of the storm passes, the wind blows in the OTHER direction.

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oooh! So maybe the next series of events will be the turn of the tide. It may coincide with Puck and co. visiting Ink's house...

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Ok. So we got a dying Datu, finally the explanation of Randy and Michael's broken arm....there's only one thing left we've been clamoring for....

Musical. Episode.

Come on, Kc! Let's have it!

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As long as it's not like "Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark."

Has anyone found the secret references yet? I can't :c But i will. Eventually.

I'm beginning to think my wife is right that the combo of gas and pholistatin hasn't been tried as near as I can remember.there might be some answers there.maybe the pholistatin allows people to breath the air or the combo will slow the turn or reverse it. But whatever the gas plays for a roll Tanya is gonna find it either by accident or have one of those holy crap it all clicks moments.

I agree, it is going have to do with the list of chemicals that they recovered from the lab working in combination with the gas. I believe that will be the eureka moment, but it is going to come at a price in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Has anyone found the secret references yet? I can't :c But i will. Eventually.

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I think one was Angel's Song. That is the piece of music played after Angel was killed. KC said on the We're Alive Fancast podcast that the music was also played after Datu was bitten.

Another possible one could be the music that played when Saul & Tanya realized they were possibly turning is the same that played when In Last Dying Breath when Kalani writes about finding Tommy's body after having betrayed the Towerites to the Mallers.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I think one was Angel's Song. That is the piece of music played after Angel was killed. KC said on the We're Alive Fancast podcast that the music was also played after Datu was bitten.

Another possible one could be the music that played when Saul & Tanya realized they were possibly turning is the same that played when In Last Dying Breath when Kalani writes about finding Tommy's body after having betrayed the Towerites to the Mallers.

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I'm going to say those are it. Kc did say they were sound based: I'm guessing he was meaning music based. Nicely done.

Going back to chapter 1 and listen through chapter 41. The whole thing again, listen for all the music and clues I might have missed. LOL Good excuse HUH!

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Originally Posted by alexcadtek

Going back to chapter 1 and listen through chapter 41. The whole thing again, listen for all the music and clues I might have missed. LOL Good excuse HUH!

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Remember to take notes. :)
During previous listen-throughs, I have had a few of those "Gee Whiz" moments that I neglected to write down... and subsequently completely forgot about. Nothing particularly Earth shattering, but annoying none the less. Minutiae like Kimmet promoted Michael at Irwin... but then its often the little things that can add up...

What ever you find, be sure to tell us about it.

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Originally Posted by Gooer

I'm going to say those are it. Kc did say they were sound based: I'm guessing he was meaning music based. Nicely done.

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Nope. Still not it.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Nope. Still not it.

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evil............................... :mad:

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Originally Posted by Gnex

evil............................... :mad:

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To be honest, I'm blown away that no one found it yet.

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Originally Posted by Kc

To be honest, I'm blown away that no one found it yet.

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ugh...... 10th re-listen here we go!!!! O_o

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Originally Posted by Gnex

ugh...... 10th re-listen here we go!!!! O_o

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Specifically, it's 40-3 and 41-2, but that's all I can say.