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Yeah, I'm not assuming it was an earthquake.... I am also assuming that it is some kind of explosion.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
But, the area seems to be shaking pretty violently near Saul and Tanya, it would stand to reason that you would be able to feel it off in the distance.
I live about 10-15 miles from a military base and when they are testing weaponry you can hear it as well as feel the ground shake depending on what they are firing.......
Ok, first time poster here, go easy on me. I have a few theories here, also!
Re: Tonya and Saul- I think the K18 levels she's reading are actually the bodies natural antigens fighting off the infection. This is why they number got higher and higher in step with the stage of the turning process. I believe those two have natural immunity, and their blood could create a serum to save others, or a vaccine. Not sure if it could be used in some way as a weapon against the zombies, though.
Re: Inks- With his mental disorder and high intelligence, it seems to me that he created the chemical catalyst that's going on under Inglewood. It also seems obvious to me that the "haze" is what turned the original zombies. Inks is operating under mad scientist rules right now, shaping the evolution of this new creature. My take? He is sending the normals to his old lab for his chemicals, so he can continue altering the zombie population for whatever his grand scheme is.
I have some more stuff too, but that's it for now....
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Originally Posted by beedubu2
Welcome!!!! :excited:
#1 - interesting idea..... I like that possibilty. My only concern would be that Tanya makes it seem like her and Sauls levels are continually rising(slowly but continually going up). So does that mean that at some point Saul and Tanya are going to turn??? or at some point their levels become sooo elevated because they are slowly getting close to being fully immune???
Hello zombiefood!Quote:
Originally Posted by beedubu2
Keep it rolling! Am curious about your thoughts. Move on ... !Quote:
Originally Posted by beedubu2
I was thinking something along these lines too. What if they are not "naturally" immune, but their exposure was at such a low amount/level that the body is able to fight it off. Maybe this will be a step towards a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by beedubu2
I'm surprised Michael doesn't seem concerned with the lack of zombies, where are they? Earlier in the story when bodies were disappearing everyone wanted to know where they were going, and thus we found the arena.
Hmmm...Let's take a look at this…"Radon" gas is naturally occurring colorless (not green), tasteless gas. But in addition to these mundane qualities, it also has the property of being very radioactive. And that is to the point to where it is supposedly the second highest cause of lung cancer in the U.S., only behind cigarette smoking. That would make it numero uno on you non-smokers list (probably just in front of "second hand smoking"). That said, and having now lived through a shitload of earthquakes here in L.A. (and yes, Ive have seen enough Hollywood movies to stay away from those open cracks in the earth), there must be a link between radon gas, Radon Labs and Radon, the private from M.A.S.H., aka Michael Cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by daveyman23
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Talk of the outbreak patterns got me to thinking. And I'll try this later is no one else does, but I'm at work for the evening.
could we plug in the pattern of outbreak into the Fibonacci sequence? Basically start in Inglewood and make a golden spiral...im not sure if it works...but might be worth checking.
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Originally Posted by dontkillburt
Bwahahaha Michael Cross = Radon :D
I still think Ink and his Inklets are living large somewhere and that they are using underground subway tunnels or what have you to get to their Zombie safe house in Inglewood aka GZ. I am an LA native and it is a big city sometimes people not very far can't hear or feel earthquakes or noises. That said this is controlled chaos and explosions. #teamInk :)
PS Maybe Saul and Tanya were infected by special ones aka smart ones aka slow turners. Had Tommy survived maybe he woulda been Inklet no 17??
Here's a good question: Do you think that the haze might have a cumulative dosing effect like radiation does? Meaning that Victor might be in a bit of trouble since this is his second exposure to the gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
I have thought of this before and it just occurred to me: Maybe the tunnels of the Metro LA Mass Transit? Go to the Fan Made Google Map of LA and turn on the transit filter... the Red and Purple lines (subways) kinda run right through the old Tower area stomping grounds. In fact, the Red line runs from downtown, all the way out to North Hollwood. Other than the Van Nuys, nothing up there was even mentioned, much less gone to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
(I don't recall, but did they go to Van Nuys? Or was it just mentioned by Burt?)
Question for the characters in the show inspired by playing with the fan map: Michael, what's the SITREP on Edwards AFB? I just realized that it's almost spittin' distance over the mountains of the Angeles National forest. Did Irwin scavenging missions pick it clean? 29 Palms is probably out of the question as it seems to be further than Yermo and uncomfortably close to the Irwin Crater... If the situation is as dire as CJ is making it out to be, It may be time to surreptitiously start asking for two man volunteer team to go on long duration scouting missions that they might not return from.
Could be another tiny hint. If "The Families" turn out to be the old DEEP pocketed & blue blooded type... they might have the Probate equivalent of a "frequent flier" card. Meaning that Kelly just might have another answer if the right pieces get put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
I seem to recall that it was killing the trees too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
I just realized that there might be a mechanism by which the simultaneous release could be explained: Venusian Geology. In summary, due to the build up of heat beneath the surface due to a lack of active tectonics, the Venus is theorized to have undergone a massive planet wide volcanic eruption that resurfaced the whole planet 300-500 million years ago. Granted, the end result was vastly different, but it shows that massive planetary scale events are possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I'm curious if Micheal and co. will look for Bill Robert's house. Surely he's familiar with that place. I also wonder if he's a cannibal too. If he's not turned completely then eating people is just plain gross. Yuck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisa
eh, I don't see it, but still a good idea. http://i.imgur.com/tagGQ.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...?title=The+Map
Now, that would be interesting and would help predicting things - or at least "understanding" things better ...Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
But the map, which WD linked, is kind of "simplifying", 'cause it makes no difference between Gardena, Compton, and Santa Monica. According to the color-coding all these locations were hit at the same time; but Gardena - based on our logs-information - was probably hit earlier ... *hmpf*
Best wishes!
Liam
I remember Micheal telling Tommy that it had a ripple pattern. Probably more of an Inverse Square pattern than Fibonacci. But, like LiamKerrington says, some of the times on the map might be off. One looks like an official WA map, the other (heat map) is fan-made.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Have we ever seen him eat human flesh? To me, he is just a tattooed man who has solved his marriage issues ... differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I like the idea of the inverse square. I think the thing to keep in mind when thinking of "how could it spread so fast?" is exponential growth...as it spreads, the time it takes to reach other areas should decrease. (think the larger the number of turned, the less time it takes for them to turn others, etc) same thing happened at boulder, like as not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
What is interesting is the heat map. http://i.imgur.com/tagGQ.jpg Notice the bubbles in the East and the South East. The infection slows down in those directions, or they're two smaller bubbles.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Another thought bouncing off this idea..... If Tanya and Saul are slowly fighting off the infection internally..... is there something in their blood that could be given to everyone as a sort of cure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
the only way i could see that happening is a last-ditch effort to save someone that was just bit. i couldn't see anyone volunteering for an injection of Saul or Tanya's blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
sidenote:
does Tanya sound a bit... unstable to anyone else?
when she panics, she really panics.
YES!!! And I love it. Not because I'm some sick twisted sadist, but because it finally gives her character some depth. She no longer some grumpy Mrs. Spock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
yeah, i can see that. she also has a new(er) perspective on her remaining time. She seems very fatalistic and yet is fighting ever step of the way. if she doesn't turn (eventually) i feel she'll sacrifice herself... somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I am curious how you came to the conclusions for #1 and #2? They might be true, but I am not seeing either of those from what we have so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Just like with the DVR early on, these parts are tough because they fast forwarded so we don't know what actually happened during that 30 minutes. Did they just stand there? Did they leave and were called back? Who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malador
Tanya is a vet, not a survivalist like the rest. I doubt she had to fight, run and face the zeds like most of the others, plus she ain't a young pup. Give her a break :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
I think Ink was turned. Unless we get a secret Ink Journal that they find, odds are that we will never have 100% no shadow of a doubt proof. I just find it odd that if he wasn't turned and such, why did he wait for 30 min before he got out? If he knew he could control them before hand, as soon as the screaming stopped he would have hopped out and went "Awesome. Lets go" not wait for 30 min and kick open a door. Even if it were locked we know he control them with verbal commands at times. He told them to stop with CJ. He could have went "Open the Dang door". Instead he waited. My guess is that he had a turning period. Slowish. That 30 min was him turning.
Side note: Any thoughts of Wind? Like the Haze traveling via the wind? No clue of how windy it is around those areas. Maybe that is how it moved so fast (If that is what turned ppl). After a certain distance it was just not thick enough. Like smoke from a fire.
I think the 30 mins was the result of the meds he was on keep him calm. If you remember Tommy once he turned he was aggressive and every creatures we have come in contact with is the same. We know that Ink is different as well as every other smart one we have observe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
Wasn't he spotted in the arena 'playing' with his food?Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
I mentioned this before in another thread. I personally think this is why he is so different from the rest. I think the meds that he was on to keep him calm and keep his psychosis under control is what also keep his turning semi under control and allowed him to keep one foot in the normal human world with some of his memories and smarts intact.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
I like what most everyone is saying. Just had a couple thoughts about CJ. Why is she so stuck on needing power and fuel to keep everything going? As good of a planner as she is and all the resources she accumulated, why hasn't she thought about how people lived long before power and gas? You would think a supply run to a local library for every book you can grab from their how too section would get you info on how to build a windmill to use as a water pump, as well as building a root cellar to store food, a greenhouse to grow food year round (though CA weather is pretty conducive to long growing seasons anyway), building wind turbines for when power would REALLY be needed. Seems like all of the problems she mentions with the exception of ammo and gas for the gun trucks could be easily solved.
Which takes me to point number 2. CJ seems stressed out of her mind, and despite that she is still unwilling to share information easily. Most great leaders have a council, or cabinet of people who help them understand problems and find solutions. Rarely is the head leader the most knowledgable person in the group, they need the smarts of others, and then use their own leadership skills to implement plans. CJ seems to be always missing that council aspect. She wants to be the person who knows everything and always has the answers. Even when Pegs is trying to get inside and help CJ open up, and is offering to help, she basically has to beg CJ to let her help. And her ideas are actually good ones. If CJ would open up to the rest of the Colony (or even a select trusted few) who knows what ideas and plans they would generate?
Even beyond that, Michael would council with Angel, and Saul; sometimes even Burt and Kelly and Pegs. They talked things through. Often times the good idea that was implemented came from someone other than Michael. With CJ she says things like 'I have some ideas but I'm not certain yet' and will go off on her own to make decisions. Or she will say 'This isn't your problem to worry about' like she did to Pegs. She wants to keep everyone else on the outside while she comes up with all the ideas, hashes them out and them makes a decision, but it always seems to be on her own.
And yeah once she has made a decision on the best plan she micromanages like you said, because she has already done all the mental analysis on her own, so in her mind there is only one right way now to make this all work and so she wants to make sure nobody screws up her perfectly devised plan.
Major police action going on right now in Inglewood, Los Angeles, California. The news is reporting a gun battle, a hostage taking and police reinforcements pouring into the area. No word on riots, earthquakes, explosions, or strange mists forming.
Uh-ohhhhhh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Would they even tell you about things like this? In order to prevent panic they wouldn't tell anyone more specific stuff ... To quote a famous chick from the WA-verse: "You better start runnin ..."
@Unit9014
I am not so certain about CJ being all alone with her decisions. Yes, I agree in so far as she has no official council or leader-staff or sh*t ... But from what I see she manages the people and allows them to persude aims in their tasks - Datu and Glen may experiment on new devices, Pegs established the Cows, Michael and Soldiers are out on their own doin' their own business (although as of lately this seems to botehr CJ more and more ...). So in a way she heavily relies on specialists.
And yet I agree with you: CJ is very solitary and very much focussed on surviving for her own sake. The idea with the books is something that struck me odd as well. But actually we have no idea what is available at the Colony or if certain books were brought in from Dunbar. And since we had little air-time with CJ during and since the time-jump covering 4 months we actually have little information about how well she performs as "My Little Dictatress" ...
Best wishes!
Liam
Here's something to try with that: Don't just compare the recorded times given in PST, compare the difference in time between the locations as expressed in either minutes and/or seconds. Doing calculations in HH:MM annotation can be confusing and messy, but converting the difference in time to the raw total of minutes may be more revealing. That said, I may just jump into this a bit latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
If you are the smartest one in the room, you are in the wrong room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
I think as far as leaders go, both would be screwed. When you have these end of days issues... your only as good as what is going on at the moment. Take Michael. Sets up the Tower. Everyone is living rather well (all things considered). Not a whole lot of issues (Besides.. I no like him). All in All.... people had it pretty damn good at the Tower. Mallers attack and it is "Screw that Guy! He let us get drunk. Replace his butt!" then when Burt took over ppl went dropped him as soon as the Lizzy thing happened. Glenn left to find Michael... but as soon as CJ tossed some ideas to him he was all about screw Michael. As soon as Burt and Riley had a chance they ghosted as well. B/c they wanted Scratch right then and there. Neither leader would give them what they wanted right then... so screw you guys.
As soon as people realize that they have an issue with the water and such they will dump CJ and pick up someone else. They will blame Michael, but when the Biters attack again (and they will. No way Kelly said the Retaliation line and it not come up. If we learned one thing so far is KC doesn't really do throw away lines) and Michael saves them... he will be the Golden Child again. That or they blame Michael for causing the attack. We'll see how that plays out.
Now that the "People are stupid sheep" rant is done.....
Wonder why they have not sent anyone to the fuel depot the Mallers used. I know that they drained some stuff, but one would think that there would be others. If not at that one Depot then some other areas. No way that there is only one fuel Depot in all of LA.
The only thing I can say about this that semi supports my observation is that Datu and Glenn were working on their experiment behind closed doors. Datu didn't want to tell CJ about it because she would get mad and Glenn agreed with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
CJ sounded like she was making a snide comment about the cows and how they better be worth it for as much trouble it was to get them. Like she tried to say no to getting them but probably got overruled by the majority somehow (similar to what happened to Burt when Michael, Pegs and Kelly first took off to find a doctor and found the colony)
And again CJ is trying to wrangle Michael in but doesn't really have the power to do so.
In all those examples she is not 'letting' people persuade aims, I think in all of those she is just not powerful enough to stop it or flat out doesn't know about it at this point.
For the books I guess I am just making an assumption on them not considering that, but I make that assumption because it sounds like they aren't pursuing the things I mentioned. You would think if they went through the trouble of getting the books that teach how it is done they would be pursuing the options. But maybe the library was raided, maybe it was burned, maybe they couldn't find the books they needed. Who knows?
Agreed that as a leader, no matter your style, skill or abilities, you are screwed when something goes wrong. As they say, 'The buck stops here'. But the style of CJ seems to put her under added stress of feeling like it's all on her shoulders, and the community as a whole suffers because you may not get to take advantage of the collective knowledge and ideas of the whole group. Thinking about the Mallers fuel depot, isn't that what they used to attack the Arena? I imagine it is close to being drained if not completely drained. And like CJ mentions, what is left is probably going bad. Most fuel only have a shelf life of 6 months before you have to deal with oxidization, and water contamination. Even with stabilizers added it starts breaking down between a year and 18 months, so I think we are getting there. I can't remember exactly how far in we are at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
All this talk about CJ.... Here's something I posted in another thread on the subject of her pity party
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Originally Posted by scbubba
Spot on analysis right there!
Outbreak started on May 8th 2009, and we're now around March 4th 2010, so yeah, they're pretty much fucked when it comes to fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014